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How is leftism defined?


Leftism is defined by ideology
  20% (3)
Leftism is defined by actions
  20% (3)
Leftism is defined by opposition to a republican president
  6% (1)
Leftism is defined by somebody on the right disliking somebody
  33% (5)
Leftism is defined by not being the proper sort of rightist
  20% (3)


Total Votes : 15
(last vote on : 7/1/2017 1:12:40 AM)
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WhoreMods -> How is leftism defined? (6/30/2017 4:51:06 AM)

Given that we've had trumptooners insisting that alt right conspiracy nuts (Jared Lee Loughner), wannabe monopolist (Jeff Bozos) and robber barons who run a nation as a criminal organisation (Vladimir Putin), it seems that opposition to el presidente is the only factor at work here.
(Note that if 4 is the working definition, then el presidente is also a leftist, as plenty on the right can't suffer him.)
Anybody have a viable working definition that can include all of these cases?



vincentML -> RE: How is leftism defined? (6/30/2017 5:38:42 AM)

None of your choices fit for me. My Leftism (awkward word) is defined by:

1. We have agreed in our social compact that all individuals should be treated as equal members of the species when it comes to the necessities of good health, sufficient food and drinking water, adequate shelter, personal safety, and freedom from persecution and discrimination.

2. The best way to accomplish this is through the agency of government devoted to the people through (a) direct action, and (b) the maintenance of a well regulated market of goods, services, and ideas.

3. The rule of law requires fairness for all regardless of status, fame, or wealth.

That's just for starters. No doubt I can add to this later.



Musicmystery -> RE: How is leftism defined? (6/30/2017 5:40:36 AM)

Leftism, noun:

1. the standard driving practice in the UK




heavyblinker -> RE: How is leftism defined? (6/30/2017 5:48:52 AM)

Leftists are egalitarian while right-wingers prefer survival of the fittest.
This definition is probably too simple but it seems to work well in most discussions.



WhoreMods -> RE: How is leftism defined? (6/30/2017 8:30:41 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: vincentML

None of your choices fit for me. My Leftism (awkward word) is defined by:

1. We have agreed in our social compact that all individuals should be treated as equal members of the species when it comes to the necessities of good health, sufficient food and drinking water, adequate shelter, personal safety, and freedom from persecution and discrimination.

2. The best way to accomplish this is through the agency of government devoted to the people through (a) direct action, and (b) the maintenance of a well regulated market of goods, services, and ideas.

3. The rule of law requires fairness for all regardless of status, fame, or wealth.

That's just for starters. No doubt I can add to this later.


I'd have said that was an ideological definition, myself: moral judgements and rules of behaviour extrapolated from them are normally based on ideology, after all.



Edwird -> RE: How is leftism defined? (6/30/2017 8:51:24 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Musicmystery
Leftism, noun:

1. the standard driving practice in the UK


Don't forget the flower children driving in Japan and Montserrat.





WhoreMods -> RE: How is leftism defined? (6/30/2017 8:54:46 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Edwird


quote:

ORIGINAL: Musicmystery
Leftism, noun:

1. the standard driving practice in the UK


Don't forget flower children driving in Japan and Montserrat.


They drive on the left in Madagascar, as well.



Edwird -> RE: How is leftism defined? (6/30/2017 9:35:24 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: heavyblinker

Leftists are egalitarian while right-wingers prefer survival of the fittest.
This definition is probably too simple but it seems to work well in most discussions.


Not picking on your overall description or your post in particular, but that "survival of the fittest" thing always cracks me up.

First semester geology class would explain that it's more like "survival of the luckiest." The biggest, baddest, and healthiest monsters in the world have been and still are killed by a lightning strike or drowning-by-flood or falling into a deep ravine or getting whapped by a modern super tanker, or suffering a mortally damaging kick from the critter they were trying to eat, etc. Or, historically, wiped out by a massive comet blast or years of planet-wide volcanic misbehavior, or too much ice or too much heat or even too much oxygen.

What was once "less fit" for one circumstance turned out to be "more fit" for another, and conversely.

Aside from that, nature doesn't provide bailouts to purpose of funding $20 million bonuses to those -unfit- for office of CEO, like humans do.

It's beyond ironic when those most in favor of government supplements to the most inept reference "survival of the fittest" as argument for their 'free market' shysterism, which resulting inevitable disasters resulting therefrom are ultimately paid for by everyone else, and is definitely not free.

They always cry, after the fact, "No! We aren't in favor of bailouts!" No- they just voted for the assholes who came up with legislation which could only result in financial disaster, requiring bailouts to keep the country from ruin.

"Survival of the fittest." <chuckles>







Edwird -> RE: How is leftism defined? (6/30/2017 10:01:15 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: WhoreMods
quote:

ORIGINAL: vincentML

None of your choices fit for me. My Leftism (awkward word) is defined by:

1. We have agreed in our social compact that all individuals should be treated as equal members of the species when it comes to the necessities of good health, sufficient food and drinking water, adequate shelter, personal safety, and freedom from persecution and discrimination.

2. The best way to accomplish this is through the agency of government devoted to the people through (a) direct action, and (b) the maintenance of a well regulated market of goods, services, and ideas.

3. The rule of law requires fairness for all regardless of status, fame, or wealth.

That's just for starters. No doubt I can add to this later.

I'd have said that was an ideological definition, myself: moral judgements and rules of behaviour extrapolated from them are normally based on ideology, after all.


Fill us in, here; are not whatever notions of 'leftism' or 'rightism' ideological in the first place?

I could have been mislead by my own misunderstanding, but I thought that political ideology was founded in ideology.



MrRodgers -> RE: How is leftism defined? (6/30/2017 10:13:42 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: Musicmystery

Leftism, noun:

1. the standard driving practice in the UK



Hell, if you ask a rightie, most of Europe. I mean just how can they run their countries with any requirement that their economy serve all of society ? Where do they get that ? Economy serve all of society ?

We over here all know that what's good for the investor class, is good for the country. It will 'trickle down' [sic] Just look at how few poor and sick America has, except for all of those millions upon millions of course that simply don't want to work yet are working for low wages and all of those that prefer being sick and oh BTW...seek to die younger.

There's your leftism.



MrRodgers -> RE: How is leftism defined? (6/30/2017 10:17:46 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: Edwird

quote:

ORIGINAL: heavyblinker

Leftists are egalitarian while right-wingers prefer survival of the fittest.
This definition is probably too simple but it seems to work well in most discussions.


Not picking on your overall description or your post in particular, but that "survival of the fittest" thing always cracks me up.

First semester geology class would explain that it's more like "survival of the luckiest." The biggest, baddest, and healthiest monsters in the world have been and still are killed by a lightning strike or drowning-by-flood or falling into a deep ravine or getting whapped by a modern super tanker, or suffering a mortally damaging kick from the critter they were trying to eat, etc. Or, historically, wiped out by a massive comet blast or years of planet-wide volcanic misbehavior, or too much ice or too much heat or even too much oxygen.

What was once "less fit" for one circumstance turned out to be "more fit" for another, and conversely.

Aside from that, nature doesn't provide bailouts to purpose of funding $20 million bonuses to those -unfit- for office of CEO, like humans do.

It's beyond ironic when those most in favor of government supplements to the most inept reference "survival of the fittest" as argument for their 'free market' shysterism, which resulting inevitable disasters resulting therefrom are ultimately paid for by everyone else, and is definitely not free.

They always cry, after the fact, "No! We aren't in favor of bailouts!" No- they just voted for the assholes who came up with legislation which could only result in financial disaster, requiring bailouts to keep the country from ruin.

"Survival of the fittest." <chuckles>


Well it's survival by gambling on speculation with socialist bailouts for the rich and survival of the fittest in fact...for the poor.



BoscoX -> RE: How is leftism defined? (6/30/2017 10:29:27 AM)


Modern leftism defined:

[image]https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DDUpB7RUwAASFzE.jpg[/image]



Edwird -> RE: How is leftism defined? (6/30/2017 10:37:45 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: vincentML

None of your choices fit for me. My Leftism (awkward word) is defined by:

1. We have agreed in our social compact that all individuals should be treated as equal members of the species when it comes to the necessities of good health, sufficient food and drinking water, adequate shelter, personal safety, and freedom from persecution and discrimination.

2. The best way to accomplish this is through the agency of government devoted to the people through (a) direct action, and (b) the maintenance of a well regulated market of goods, services, and ideas.

3. The rule of law requires fairness for all regardless of status, fame, or wealth.

That's just for starters. No doubt I can add to this later.


Well, that definitely rules me out as a leftist, then.

My ideology is more patterned after nature, which in my case involves observation of the cycle of life to begin with, and then noticing how the more social animals go about things. The great apes, the dolphins, the hyenas, etc.

What I get from all that is that the more highly evolved have a sense of society as their chosen method of survival and propagation of the species. In nature, propagation of the species is a much more powerful force than mere survival of the individual. Just look at your car in pollen season if you want proof of that.

For me, the notion of society to begin with is the place to start.

The government, the GE or GM corporations, the shoe repairers, the software or apps coders, the Office Depots all legitimate their existence only insofar as they serve society.

I know that government and proper regulation are required, but it is not proper government or regulation that does not take into consideration both investor concerns and worker concerns. At the moment, things are too heavily weighted to the former (in the US), no question.

But marking business as the enemy is just turning wrong thinking around the other way.



Edwird -> RE: How is leftism defined? (6/30/2017 10:45:30 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: BoscoX
Modern leftism defined:


Yet another humongous fart post from bozo x.

All that warm beer the S American dictators are feeding you for breakfast as their guest doesn't do well for the digestive system, not as if that would bother you.



Lucylastic -> RE: How is leftism defined? (6/30/2017 10:47:02 AM)

who is the accuser of jane sanders?
A trump campaign member



Musicmystery -> RE: How is leftism defined? (6/30/2017 10:49:01 AM)

Following his criticism of banks.

Hmmm...wonder how that happened.



BoscoX -> RE: How is leftism defined? (6/30/2017 11:01:20 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: Lucylastic

who is the accuser of jane sanders?
A trump campaign member



Bernie Sanders, Not Donald Trump, Faces FBI Investigation



Lucylastic -> RE: How is leftism defined? (6/30/2017 11:15:11 AM)

I Know the story, derp
let it happen,Im up for everyone who is fucking up to be jailed, and have done since before your hillary probed post, so you just dont take note



BoscoX -> RE: How is leftism defined? (6/30/2017 11:20:12 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Musicmystery

Following his criticism of banks.

Hmmm...wonder how that happened.


So... Now, the FBI is hopelessly corrupt again

"Leftism defined"



WhoreMods -> RE: How is leftism defined? (6/30/2017 11:30:51 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: BoscoX

quote:

ORIGINAL: Musicmystery

Following his criticism of banks.

Hmmm...wonder how that happened.


Attention seeking fuckwittery.

I'll just bookmark this thread for the next time syrup boy or one of his bumchums complains about me dragging a thread off topic.



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