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CNN Hunted Down Trump Video Creator, Threatened Him - 7/5/2017 9:05:12 AM   
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RE: CNN Hunted Down Trump Video Creator, Threatened Him - 7/5/2017 9:29:17 AM   
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RE: CNN Hunted Down Trump Video Creator, Threatened Him - 7/5/2017 9:31:14 AM   
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RE: CNN Hunted Down Trump Video Creator, Threatened Him - 7/5/2017 9:36:12 AM   
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RE: CNN Hunted Down Trump Video Creator, Threatened Him - 7/5/2017 9:42:51 AM   
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RE: CNN Hunted Down Trump Video Creator, Threatened Him - 7/5/2017 10:24:55 AM   
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http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2017/jul/5/donald-trump-cnn-tweet-shows-his-mastery-of-social/

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It’s one thing to say the media is fake and can’t be trusted, and quite another to show it to the American people. So consumed with their loathing of the president, some in the legacy media can’t see past themselves and did exactly what you’d expect the pathologically obsessed to do: pathologically obsess.
While everyone else was laughing at the tweet of a staged pro-wrestling stunt from years ago, various CNN news actors insisted their lives were now at risk. This proved the president’s point that the network is not serious, on a singular mission to destroy the president, and ergo can’t be trusted to report what really matters to the American people.


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The president remains one-step ahead of those who work to harm his ability to do his job, creating an environment where the American people can decide for themselves who they can trust. And it’s apparently not the media. A new NPR/PBS/Marist poll found just 30 percent of Americans have trust in the media, which is double-digits lower than the president’s latest Rasmussen approval rating.
There is another revelation brought to us by the absurd reaction by the mainstream media: their hypocrisy.
We’ve been told for weeks that a play in Central Park featuring the slaughter of Mr. Trump was “just art.”

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RE: CNN Hunted Down Trump Video Creator, Threatened Him - 7/5/2017 10:56:02 AM   
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RE: CNN Hunted Down Trump Video Creator, Threatened Him - 7/5/2017 11:09:37 AM   
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RE: CNN Hunted Down Trump Video Creator, Threatened Him - 7/5/2017 12:37:52 PM   
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Status: offline 		I see lots of people commenting on how CNN "threatened" this teenager, but no reliable reports.

Did the guy's site not contain anti-Semitic material and a range of other potentially defamatory material?

I am very confused about what actually happened, given all the noise.

But I suppose that's just the point - say it often enough, make enough fuss and it eventually becomes true.

And so a fake fact is born.

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RE: CNN Hunted Down Trump Video Creator, Threatened Him - 7/5/2017 1:08:25 PM   
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Status: offline 		I must admit when I read the CNN article I thought to myself... Who the hell do they think they are...It is not the place of a news organisation to threaten to reveal names if they don't do what CNN thinks is right.

That said...

I just hope you don't think the poor decision of CNN somehow excuses the infantile behavior of our President.

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RE: CNN Hunted Down Trump Video Creator, Threatened Him - 7/5/2017 1:25:21 PM   
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I see lots of people commenting on how CNN "threatened" this teenager, but no reliable reports.

He's not a teenager.

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And so a fake fact is born.

It's how Bosco rolls.


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RE: CNN Hunted Down Trump Video Creator, Threatened Him - 7/5/2017 5:46:52 PM   
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I see lots of people commenting on how CNN "threatened" this teenager, but no reliable reports.


He isn't a teenager, he is a middle-aged man.

As far as threats go, depends on how you want to interpret what CNN said to him. To me it is reminiscent of the Trump tweet to Comey, warning about tapes. Lots of people interpreted it as a warning to him about what he might say in testimony. Others disagreed.

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Did the guy's site not contain anti-Semitic material and a range of other potentially defamatory material?


The person who created the meme is a douchebag, no doubt. He had a history of vile posts on Reddit. However, after CNN was able to identify him by using publicly available info, he deleted all of his content and posted an apology stating that he never intended to advocate violence against anyone, and that it was meant to be satire. (Reddit has since removed the apology statement.)

After that he called CNN and confirmed his identity with them, and asked that they not reveal his personal identity, out of fear of his and his family's safety and out of embarrassment. CNN published the following as their response (included in linked article):

CNN is not publishing "HanA**holeSolo's" name because he is a private citizen who has issued an extensive statement of apology, showed his remorse by saying he has taken down all his offending posts, and because he said he is not going to repeat this ugly behavior on social media again. In addition, he said his statement could serve as an example to others not to do the same.

CNN reserves the right to publish his identity should any of that change.

CNN can explain that away all they want, as to what they meant. But it sounds like a threat to me. Not too much different from the orange cheetoh hinting about tapes prior to Comey's testimony.

Redditor dude was a dumbass. You put something like that out there, you never know how it might be used nor how it can come back and bite you in the ass.

But the average Joe shouldn't have to contend with the media giant that is CNN standing over your shoulder, holding you and your family's safety in their hands.


Straight from the horse's mouth
http://www.cnn.com/2017/07/04/politics/kfile-reddit-user-trump-tweet/index.html

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RE: CNN Hunted Down Trump Video Creator, Threatened Him - 7/5/2017 5:59:40 PM   
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Status: offline 		And now (possible) retaliation against CNN. Anchors' personal info released, and the threat of release of their family members' personal info. These are the only two sites reporting it that I have seen so far, so it is still in the early stages of reporting, I guess.

http://www.rawstory.com/2017/07/pro-trump-activist-with-white-house-access-publishes-doxed-personal-information-for-cnn-anchors/?comments=disqus

https://latest.com/2017/07/far-right-pro-trump-activist-just-released-personal-info-of-cnn-anchors-in-revenge-doxxing-attack/

So much for a civilized society, folks.

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RE: CNN Hunted Down Trump Video Creator, Threatened Him - 7/5/2017 6:36:15 PM   
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How could this video possibly endanger journalists

So stupid! CNN is dumb! And having no sense of humour.

It's WWF, everyone know that's just acting and fun playful wrestling.

And Trump could not possibly win any real Wrestling match.

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RE: CNN Hunted Down Trump Video Creator, Threatened Him - 7/5/2017 10:28:29 PM   
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I did manage to find the article eventually amongst all the flotsam on the web, and I'm not sure how I feel about it. The CNN article certainly contains a clear threat and that seems very much like a news network acting as judge and jury (in the same way Trump might complain about).

I find my own attitude to this incident very conflicted however.

Many people are talking as if this guy has a right to anonymity as if making up a username for an internet site automatically confers that right. We might be concerned if someone on Collarspace was outed for malicious reasons to their employer, but does that really constitute a universal right to internet anonymity?

This guy however posted some really offensive material while hiding behind a keyboard. What he posted was clearly so offensive that he knew that he had to make an immediate apology, knowing that his family, his reputation and possibly his continued employment was at risk if everything came out and was tied back to him. He clearly would never have dared express these views publicly in person, to his employers, or it would seem if his words are to be believed, to his family and friends. How much responsibility does he have for creating that situation and what rights does he have for privacy when he himself posted so publicly?

Unlike in the US where your right to free speech in theory covers every eventuality, in Europe the attitudes about incitement to violence are quite different both socially and legally. This means that the Finsbury Mosque killer was slung out of a bar in his home town for shouting offensive comments about Muslims shortly before he went on his van spree in London. As far as anyone is aware there were no Muslims in the pub. This was an act of social censure.

In the UK there are laws against incitement to racial hatred and there have been prosecutions when people have tweeted or posted particularly offensive stuff after major events or news stories about minority groups. Not sure I entirely agree with the Police's actions which have been counter-productive but I agree with the sentiment and the fact that your personal rights have to be balanced against the rights of other members of the community. There would however be no question of anyone revealing this guy's name with impunity in the UK, as the courts would protect his family's safety. The name of course could still leak out as it often does.

The ugliness of this guy's material, followed by CNN acting like some sort of private court and issuing what amounts to a private restraining order with threats and then the publication of the home addresses of some CNN employees (in one case the Jewish employees in particular) is a symptom of our age.

All of these acts are incitement to violence (or threats to put people in a position where they are likely to be subject to molestation or attacks) and should anathema in a civilised society. Indeed in many countries these acts would be technically illegal, whatever use that is in practice.

We haven't yet grown up when it comes to the use of the media in the internet age. We have all learned to publish but have also lost any sense of responsibility because we can see no accountability for our actions as we hide behind our keyboards. How have we become a society where you can say anything and never have to face real life consequences and is this extension of "free speech" without consequences entirely healthy?

CNN have shamed themselves in trying to shame this guy and then threatening him, but it seems that everyone is doing it (which is hardly a defence). What is just as dubious though is the hypocrisy with which keyboard warriors who themselves publish racial offensive material have attacked the actions of CNN when they themselves are peddling hate and expect no personal consequences.

So who are the police here? Who are the moral arbiters? Who gets to decide?

And who will protect you when it all goes wrong?

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RE: CNN Hunted Down Trump Video Creator, Threatened Him - 7/6/2017 3:32:19 AM   
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CNN can explain that away all they want, as to what they meant. But it sounds like a threat to me. Not too much different from the orange cheetoh hinting about tapes prior to Comey's testimony.


It is a threat. They are, in a sense, blackmailing this guy into silence.

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Redditor dude was a dumbass. You put something like that out there, you never know how it might be used nor how it can come back and bite you in the ass.


Free speech still can have consequences. CNN employees claiming it endangered their lives is bullshit. It would have been different had the guy used a CNN employee's actual face. I mean, seriously? Trump "fighting" CNN (not any personality specifically) during a scripted fighting-as-entertainment production is threatening CNN (or any of it's employees) how?

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But the average Joe shouldn't have to contend with the media giant that is CNN standing over your shoulder, holding you and your family's safety in their hands.


This is very true.

Do you think law enforcement should investigate?

Imo, the guy should come forward, "out" himself, and explain it was done as a jest. After that, CNN has zero leverage. Anyone coming after the guy or his family would be breaking the law in some form or fashion.


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RE: CNN Hunted Down Trump Video Creator, Threatened Him - 7/6/2017 7:43:06 AM   
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The ugliness of this guy's material

What? What so ugly about his material? I thought it's pretty funny! It's about Trump taking a whole News Network Down.

CNN is a company. It's about taking a corporation, a company down! Not about physically attacking the humans inside it!

The guy apologize because when he posted that, he sure hell wasn't talking about, "Go out there and kill CNN journalist!" He apologized for his meme being interpreted as encouraging violence towards CNN journalist, which was CNN's own crybaby interpretation! It's freaking WWF! It's fake wrestling, all acting. Nobody would watch a video on WWF and think it's encouraging violence in any way. Hell I have been watching WWF since 6 yr old and never in my life have I even physically hit or wrestled a person down from watching that fake wrestling entertainment soap opera. All the moves are so fake and so gentle. Like watching a bad fighting choreographed movie. It's the soap opera story lines that are funny.

It was meant to portray Trump taking CNN down! CNN is a company, not a human being!

Now if he had pasted the face of Anderson Cooper in that Meme. That would be encouraging violence towards CNN journalists. Huge difference!





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RE: CNN Hunted Down Trump Video Creator, Threatened Him - 7/6/2017 7:52:45 AM   
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Imo, the guy should come forward, "out" himself, and explain it was done as a jest. After that, CNN has zero leverage. Anyone coming after the guy or his family would be breaking the law in some form or fashion.

He is just worried about violent liberals hurting his family with violence, because only stupid CNN siding Lib could possibly see that Meme and actually interpret it as Trump threatening to murder all the journalist at CNN and you could get these lefties crazies wanting to murder his family first before he could murder CNN.

Remember how some of the lefties got violent after Trump got elected? He shouldn't out himself especially if he has kids. His family will be in physical danger from the left.

He was also apologizing to protect his family from the left, and CNN has the most ungracious response ever towards his apology by threatening him anyway.

It's like that network has seriously gone to hell. Trump is bringing out the worst in them.



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RE: CNN Hunted Down Trump Video Creator, Threatened Him - 7/6/2017 10:18:11 AM   
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Redditor dude was a dumbass. You put something like that out there, you never know how it might be used nor how it can come back and bite you in the ass.


Free speech still can have consequences. CNN employees claiming it endangered their lives is bullshit. It would have been different had the guy used a CNN employee's actual face. I mean, seriously? Trump "fighting" CNN (not any personality specifically) during a scripted fighting-as-entertainment production is threatening CNN (or any of it's employees) how?


Agreed that free speech has consequences. Despite what people like to believe, it it not a get out of jail free card for everything that comes out of your mouth. And while you may not be legally punished for something that falls under the free speech umbrella, it does not protect you from resulting situations nor from other people's opinions, which they are free to voice as well.

As far as CNN employees claiming it endangers their lives, for the most part that's absurd. But the fact is that we are living in increasingly violent times, and with the daily battle between Trump and the media, I can easily see extremists viewing the gif as an invitation to attack. It wouldn't be the first time that we've seen extremist actions initiated by Trump's words/actions.

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But the average Joe shouldn't have to contend with the media giant that is CNN standing over your shoulder, holding you and your family's safety in their hands.


This is very true.

Do you think law enforcement should investigate?

Imo, the guy should come forward, "out" himself, and explain it was done as a jest. After that, CNN has zero leverage. Anyone coming after the guy or his family would be breaking the law in some form or fashion.



I think an investigation would be a waste of time. CNN's explanations now (however lame they are) would provide enough wiggle room to avoid meeting any legal definition of crime. If they were to carry through with the threat, that would be different, but I think they can talk their way out of this one, legally. But just as free speech is not free of consequence, neither is this dumbass move by CNN going to be free of consequence either. I know of several people who are looking at them with new eyes now. They credibility has taken a real hit.

They really don't have any leverage against him now, because if they carry the threat out, then that would be illegal and actionable. And now everyone is standing over their shoulder watching to see that they don't.

As far as the redditor guy goes, he is screwed. Again, the times we live in won't let him off scott free. Even if he comes forward himself, apology and all, he and probably his family will be affected somehow. Which is doubly sad now that there is evidence that he wasn't solely responsible for creating the gif. The one the president tweeted out was edited, and was not taken directly from the redittor that CNN has found. The only reason CNN tracked him down was because he bragged and took credit for it online when Trump tweeted it out. But it isn't exactly like the one that he made.

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RE: CNN Hunted Down Trump Video Creator, Threatened Him - 7/6/2017 7:45:12 PM   
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The ugliness of this guy's material

What? What so ugly about his material? I thought it's pretty funny! It's about Trump taking a whole News Network Down.

CNN is a company. It's about taking a corporation, a company down! Not about physically attacking the humans inside it!

The guy apologize because when he posted that, he sure hell wasn't talking about, "Go out there and kill CNN journalist!" He apologized for his meme being interpreted as encouraging violence towards CNN journalist, which was CNN's own crybaby interpretation! It's freaking WWF! It's fake wrestling, all acting. Nobody would watch a video on WWF and think it's encouraging violence in any way. Hell I have been watching WWF since 6 yr old and never in my life have I even physically hit or wrestled a person down from watching that fake wrestling entertainment soap opera. All the moves are so fake and so gentle. Like watching a bad fighting choreographed movie. It's the soap opera story lines that are funny.

It was meant to portray Trump taking CNN down! CNN is a company, not a human being!

Now if he had pasted the face of Anderson Cooper in that Meme. That would be encouraging violence towards CNN journalists. Huge difference!






I think you are missing the point about the other stuff he posted.

The CNN meme is tasteless but not dangerous. I never suggested anything else. I personally don't find it funny but I generally don't find cartoon violence applied to real people particularly funny anyway.

It was everything else he was posting that led to his embarrassment and apology, he could have got away with the CNN meme on its own.

I find the whole incident sad an troubling in the way I suggested in my previous post. I'm not making a partisan point about Trump or CNN. There are far deeper issues about web anonymity, incitement to violence and the use of the media as judge and executioner without fear of social or legal consequence that concern me far more.

The CNN meme was crass but relatively harmless and was only a trigger for these wider issues.

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