RE: Doctor REFUSES to give emergency contraception to rape victim

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BenignPlague -> RE: Doctor REFUSES to give emergency contraception to rape victim (7/28/2006 10:27:19 AM)
When entering a job regarding public health and safety, your values and their relation to the job should be sorted out before you pursue it and also, before you are accepted as such. If I'm a pacifist and Buddhist against violence for any purpose, and I going to be an NYPD cop? Or course not. Or a pyrophobic fireman? People have to have a little foresight here. Furthermore, the whole point of laws in the health profession is to protect the patient and victim, not the doctor. If the profession conflicts with your beliefs, by all means find another. When you're a doctor, you put others lives before your own, and as such, are willing to let them follow their own beliefs as well. You may have problems doing what is demanded of you in your job, but you seem to have no problems with the big house and nice car associated with that charge.

philosophy -> RE: Doctor REFUSES to give emergency contraception to rape victim (7/28/2006 10:35:58 AM)
i've thought about this for a while.........and come to the conclusion that the doctor should not be forced to abort a child, but then also shouldnt be in a position where the issue comes up. As i understand the situation here, no doctor can be made to perform such an operation, which prolly also extends to the morning after pill. Given that the patient was referred to a doctor prepared to make the prescription im not sure what the issue is here.........

MrDiscipline44 -> RE: Doctor REFUSES to give emergency contraception to rape victim (7/28/2006 10:50:53 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: BenignPlague When entering a job regarding public health and safety, your values and their relation to the job should be sorted out before you pursue it and also, before you are accepted as such. If I'm a pacifist and Buddhist against violence for any purpose, and I going to be an NYPD cop? Or course not. Or a pyrophobic fireman? People have to have a little foresight here. Views change over time and depending on incidents. No, a pacifsist might not become a NY cop but over time a cop might become more of a pacifist. Just aas a fireman might become somewhat pyrophobic over time or after being trapped in a blaze. I know my geo-polictal views changed over time while I was a soldier. For better or worse, everyone has to come to terms with these new views as best they can. To me, it seems this doctor is going through a change of view for whatever reason and noone has a right to tell him that he is wrong for having such.

CrappyDom -> RE: Doctor REFUSES to give emergency contraception to rape victim (7/28/2006 11:09:33 AM)
I wonder how the fucked up men who support this sort of shit would feel if they later found out a woman doctor had snipped their balls because it was her belief that fucking morons shouldn't be allowed to breed? Where does this sort of idiocy end? I don't think Republicans or right wing Christians should be allowed to breed so would you support a hospital turning them away because they don't believe they deserve medical care?

MrDiscipline44 -> RE: Doctor REFUSES to give emergency contraception to rape victim (7/28/2006 11:15:28 AM)
Wow, talk about posting a hissy-fit. LOL

Archer -> RE: Doctor REFUSES to give emergency contraception to rape victim (7/28/2006 11:21:12 AM)
Had the request been made same time as the initial treatment it might have been more of an issue. The argument of required care has some merit, but I'm not convinced it reaches the level of requiring a law to enforce the percription being written. However when you look at the FACTS that the request was made after the discharge the requirement goes away. No doctor should be required to upon recieving a call from someone perscribe them something that goes against their morals. Just as no Hospital should be forced to hire a doctor who has such a moral conflict. I would contend that such a moral stance should be openly acknowledged at an interview so the hospital is free to make an informed decission.

CrappyDom -> RE: Doctor REFUSES to give emergency contraception to rape victim (7/28/2006 11:25:40 AM)
Archer, You are right, stupid little slut shouldn't have dressed sexy and next time she gets her dumb ass raped she should remember to ask about making sure she doesn't have the carry the nice rapists child to term. Poor doctor too, I mean having to listen to some dumb tramp blather on while he is trying to wrestle with the moral crime of killing off a day old fertilized egg with a half dozen cells in it. Oh the moral calamity....

CrappyDom -> RE: Doctor REFUSES to give emergency contraception to rape victim (7/28/2006 11:31:42 AM)
Right wing Christians want to control sex to the point of outlawing Onanism. If you can look at a full grown and sentient human being and tell them you value a blastocyst (the technical term for a fertilized egg up to about 14 days) and say you value that little clump of cells equal to them, you have no business practicing medicine and perhaps should get a job with Al Qaeda, another great group of religious extremists who despise women too oddly enough.

lilninotchka -> RE: Doctor REFUSES to give emergency contraception to rape victim (7/28/2006 11:33:23 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: SirKenin Big deal. He has his beliefs and is entitled to them. He referred the lady to someone who could help, so I really do not see the big deal here. If she could not get the proper care then maybe you might have a point. He didn't refer the lady to anyone according to the article. She took it upon herself to go to her gynocologist.

Archer -> RE: Doctor REFUSES to give emergency contraception to rape victim (7/28/2006 11:39:44 AM)
I never made anywhere near such a pronouncement. That's your own little kneejerk reactions speaking. Personally I believe the morning after pill should be easily available but I am not willing to toss the right of someone else to act on their own morality out the window because of it. You on the other hand want to make sweeping statements and condemnations without benifit of actual facts as to what my beliefs are. The difference is I default to freedom for all involved and work my way back from there as opposed to just looking at one side's freedoms and ignoring the rights of the other.

amativedame -> RE: Doctor REFUSES to give emergency contraception to rape victim (7/28/2006 4:24:59 PM)
I don't think the doctor was totally out of line. She didn't sit there when she was in the hospital and ask for the morning after pill. She was discharged, she went home and then called/came back the the second day after she was raped and asked for a prescription. He didn't sit there in front of her after doing a rape kit and tell her she couldn't have it. She came back later after her family talked to family members who suggested it! " The victim waited until later that day to tell her mother about the rape. The mother and daughter drove to Good Samaritan Hospital for treatment but did not ask Gish for the morning-after drug until Saturday, after talking with family members." Most doctors I know won't give anyone a prescription without examining them (even if its the day after I have just been there.) How is this any different? He looked at the situation and decided that he wasn't morally comfortable with it. She was discharged, she was out of his care when she made that request he had no obligation what so ever to prescribe it... her family doctor of gynecologist would be in that position, and that's who filled it. Yeah... they guy decided it was against his beliefs. He has that right, that's the kind of place we live in. He didn't tell her in the hospital she couldn't have it. He didn't decline her optimal care while she was admitted. She received the best care possible and got everything she asked for while she was admitted. As far as getting the prescription filled? Pharmacies run out. Fact of life, big deal.. the referred her to their sister store in the next county. They are a business, if they can't help you they are going to refer you to another branch if possible so that they can still get your money. It certainly wasn't the only one in the area.. there are 25 (I looked it up.) If someone chooses to drive to reading, that's their choice... although I'm sure one of those 25 had to have had it in stock.

BenignPlague -> RE: Doctor REFUSES to give emergency contraception to rape victim (7/28/2006 6:58:32 PM)
I have no problem with the doctor's change of heart, as the veteran mentioned his views on geopolitics changed after combat. However, I do see a duty in his particular occupation to inform the patient of her options, whether he is or is not included in one particular choice or another. It is never up to the doctor to decide if a patient should have access to a particular treatment, even if it is against his beliefs. I'm not trying to force the doctor to do something against his own beliefs, however, the right response would have been to immediately recommend her to someone else with a more objective position on the matter. The woman has suffered enough, I wouldn't wish bureaucracy on anyone. However, if his views are clear, the hospital simply shouldn't have him in a position where he would have to make that decision. There are plenty of other options for someone in that career to find a better fitting niche.

amativedame -> RE: Doctor REFUSES to give emergency contraception to rape victim (7/28/2006 7:35:46 PM)
ah, but who is really to say that he didn't refer her to someone else? He may have, he may have not and we will most likely never know. Plus she did have access, she went to another doctor... one who's care she was currently under; not one who no longer had any responsibility in treating her. No news article really tells both sides of a story. Everywhere we get out news imparts its own judgement in the stories we read/hear. We only get the info that benefits their political views.

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