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Doctor REFUSES to give emergency contraception to rape ... - 7/27/2006 3:45:27 PM

Lashra

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You've been raped and taken to the hospital you are given medical attention and you ask for emergency contraception, your told NO by the attending Doctor because HIS religious belief doesn't allow it.
Sound outlandish? Read about it here: http://www.pennlive.com/news/patriotnews/index.ssf?/base/news/115383211470590.xml&coll=1

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RE: Doctor REFUSES to give emergency contraception to r... - 7/27/2006 3:55:25 PM

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"This is an issue I've struggled with for years," Gish said. "My current feeling is life begins at conception, and I feel that anything that interferes with that" causes an abortion.
"The dilemma I have is the whole rape issue: Which side are you more concerned with? Are you more concerned about the mother or the life that was possibly created? That's my dilemma," he said. "I personally don't have this thing worked out. I'm not sure how my faith can line up with my practice at times of what I'm asked to do."

Well, he's gotta do what he's gotta do, but expecting anyone to feel sorry for his 'dilemma', instead of the patient, is stretching it a bit, IMHO.

Since she was able to get what she needed, that takes him off the hook it would seem.

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RE: Doctor REFUSES to give emergency contraception to r... - 7/27/2006 4:01:42 PM

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My opinion is any doctor that can't see past their religious beliefs and treat patients accordingly, should not be treating rape victims. Since this one has shown he will do nothing, he should never be allowed to treat another rape case. Thats my opinion on it. Yes another Doctor got her what she needed. But did she really need to go through more hassle after being raped? I don't think so.

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RE: Doctor REFUSES to give emergency contraception to r... - 7/27/2006 4:12:52 PM

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I'm not allowed to bring my religious life into work, and only serve kosher food, so why should he be allowed?

Now, don't get me wrong, I support diversity, but if you can't do your job because you don't believe it's right, GET A NEW JOB, YA FUCKTWIT!!!!!!!!!!!

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RE: Doctor REFUSES to give emergency contraception to r... - 7/27/2006 5:10:50 PM

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ugh. well, at least he was up-front about it. i've been denied ec for the same reason (religious beliefs) and lied to about the availability of it before. as long as the doctor is up-front about it and provides another source, then there's no legal issue with it. but yeah, it still sucks :(

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RE: Doctor REFUSES to give emergency contraception to r... - 7/27/2006 5:24:01 PM

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what about my religious beliefs saying I am the one true messiah and my holy mission here on earth is to smite the living hell out of ass hats who torture poor young women after traumatic experiences.... hmmmmm????

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RE: Doctor REFUSES to give emergency contraception to r... - 7/27/2006 9:38:26 PM

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By all means, go ahead to Lebanon and follow through. Good luck making it back though.

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RE: Doctor REFUSES to give emergency contraception to r... - 7/27/2006 9:55:25 PM

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Big deal. He has his beliefs and is entitled to them. He referred the lady to someone who could help, so I really do not see the big deal here. If she could not get the proper care then maybe you might have a point.

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RE: Doctor REFUSES to give emergency contraception to r... - 7/28/2006 2:50:50 AM

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Here this woman has suffered a violent crime and this doctor won't give her the "morning after pill" so if she's pregnant, she'll have even MORE suffering...(and reminder of the fact that a crime was committed agaisnt her). But, this doctor says, "It's not in his belief system?" WTF?

I'm sure it wasn't in the woman's belief system to be the victim of such a crime!

The DOC was wrong.....the DOC is not GOD.

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RE: Doctor REFUSES to give emergency contraception to r... - 7/28/2006 5:54:03 AM

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The doctor was well within his rights. He provided her with an alternative source for the medication. I would not do something that I felt was morally or ethically wrong, or that went against my belief system....whether it be at my place of employment or not. Why should he? Nowhere in the Hipocratic oath does it say that you have to go against your own moral code.

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RE: Doctor REFUSES to give emergency contraception to r... - 7/28/2006 5:59:16 AM

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The danger is that if you allow people freedom of conscience, they just might use it.

The woman should seek help from another doctor who will prescribe what she wants but a doctor has the right to refuse.

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RE: Doctor REFUSES to give emergency contraception to r... - 7/28/2006 6:16:56 AM

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ORIGINAL: SirKenin

Big deal. He has his beliefs and is entitled to them. He referred the lady to someone who could help, so I really do not see the big deal here. If she could not get the proper care then maybe you might have a point.

No he didn't refer her to anyone her Mother had to call her Gyn to get the medication for her. The point is a rape victim should have the right to this medication and the doctor should prescribe it or get another to do it. He didn't do that, he sent her on her merry way.

"Rebuffed by the doctor, the woman called her gynecologist, who wrote the prescription. Her local pharmacy told her it was out of the drug and referred her to a sister store in Reading."

That's taken from the article. Why should someone who has been raped and mentally traumatized have to go thru that? It makes no sense whatsoever.

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RE: Doctor REFUSES to give emergency contraception to r... - 7/28/2006 6:19:22 AM

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ORIGINAL: mistoferin

The doctor was well within his rights. He provided her with an alternative source for the medication. I would not do something that I felt was morally or ethically wrong, or that went against my belief system....whether it be at my place of employment or not. Why should he? Nowhere in the Hipocratic oath does it say that you have to go against your own moral code.

He referred her to no one, the woman had to call her own gyncologist. Why couldn't he have gotten another doctor in the hospital while she was there to give her the meds? I say if they don't want to properly treat rape victims then don't deal with them. It would be far better to have another doctor handle it then to do something like this.

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RE: Doctor REFUSES to give emergency contraception to r... - 7/28/2006 6:30:23 AM

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I think people are missing a very valid point here. The fact that a woman at all could get this pill in a Islamic country is huge. You should be happy it's even there. Who cares what she had to do to get it as long as she was able to get it.

I also think a doctor has their right to their morals just like everyone else. It's nothing more then a hypocrit that believes he shouldn't have followed his when you know damn well if it was you and you were made to go against morals/beliefs, you'd be bitching till the end of the world about how you're "rights" were infringed upon.

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RE: Doctor REFUSES to give emergency contraception to r... - 7/28/2006 6:40:52 AM

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ORIGINAL: Lashra
He referred her to no one, the woman had to call her own gyncologist. Why couldn't he have gotten another doctor in the hospital while she was there to give her the meds? I say if they don't want to properly treat rape victims then don't deal with them. It would be far better to have another doctor handle it then to do something like this.

Well you're right in that he didn't refer her. I went back and reread the article and had missed that part. It does not say that he refused to refer her elsewhere though...just that he declined to give it to her. It also says that she did not request the drug until the following Saturday. She could have just as easily phoned her gynecologist and asked him to phone in a prescription instead of phoning the ER. Actually, I would think that would be preferrable to speak to someone you already trust. I know that after my own rape I refused to allow anyone but my own gynecologist to examine me...they had to call him in.

Regardless, a doctor does not have to compromise himself morally, ethically or religiously in the course of his treatment. You may not think it's right but obviously he did what he felt was right. If we want people to be accepting and tolerant of our beliefs we have to be tolerant and accepting of the beliefs of others. Anything less than that is hipocrisy.

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RE: Doctor REFUSES to give emergency contraception to r... - 7/28/2006 6:42:45 AM

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RE: Doctor REFUSES to give emergency contraception to r... - 7/28/2006 6:50:41 AM

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LOL oops. With all the talk lately being of the Middle East and all, I guess I missed the part where the article refered to Penn. somwhere. My bad. LOL

Thanks mist.

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RE: Doctor REFUSES to give emergency contraception to r... - 7/28/2006 6:52:08 AM

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ORIGINAL: MrDiscipline44

LOL oops. With all the talk lately being of the Middle East and all, I guess I missed the part where the article refered to Penn. somwhere. My bad. LOL

Thanks mist.

Tis ok....it's still early enough to blame it on insufficient amounts of coffee

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RE: Doctor REFUSES to give emergency contraception to r... - 7/28/2006 6:53:15 AM

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AH!! True, true. I'm just going for my second cup.

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RE: Doctor REFUSES to give emergency contraception to r... - 7/28/2006 10:13:11 AM

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So what is it you propose that the law should force the doctor to perscribe a drug he has moral objections to? Now granted I would extend that freedom to the Hospital to say you can't be the only attending doctor in the ER if your personal morals prohibit this perscription.

BTW the fact that the pill was requested the day after the consult/ release from the hospital makes it no longer an ER case, thus not considered emergency treatment.

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