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France will 'ban all petrol and diesel vehicles by 2040' - 7/10/2017 12:55:50 PM   
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Nicolas Hulot made the announcement as he unveiled a series of measures as part of newly elected President Emmanuel Macron's plan to make the country carbon neutral by 2050.

Mr Hulot said he recognised the target would put pressure on France's car manufacturers, but he said they currently had projects which "can fulfil that promise".

As part of the plan, poorer households will receive a premium so they can swap their polluting vehicles for clean alternatives.

The announcement comes after Volvo said on Wednesday it planned to built only electric and hybrid vehicles from 2019.

Speaking at a press conference, Mr Hulot told reporters France would stop using coal to produce electricity by 2022 and that up to €4bn of investments will help to boost energy efficiency.

France is not the only country which aims to ban combustion-powered cars. The Netherlands and Norway previously said they wanted to get rid of petrol and diesel vehicles by 2025 and Germany and India announced similar plans ahead of 2030.

http://www.independent.co.uk/environment/france-petrol-diesel-ban-vehicles-cars-2040-a7826831.html
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RE: France will 'ban all petrol and diesel vehicles by ... - 7/10/2017 1:01:15 PM   
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right after the US hoarded all the oil here and oil rights of the ME.
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So is it time for tesla transmission towers yet?




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RE: France will 'ban all petrol and diesel vehicles by ... - 7/10/2017 1:03:55 PM   
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I like - i did the Volvo thread couple day back too :)

As for the coal reference - did that one too. No-one wants coal. The last coal fired power station in Scotland closed couple years back

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RE: France will 'ban all petrol and diesel vehicles by ... - 7/10/2017 1:05:39 PM   
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No. Those are the stuff off myth and legend and cant possibly have ever existed.

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RE: France will 'ban all petrol and diesel vehicles by ... - 7/10/2017 1:09:01 PM   
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No. Those are the stuff off myth and legend and cant possibly have ever existed.



its worked and people today prove it works, in fact one of the better demonstrations was done by a brit. Stop blathering out yer ass witto dickee


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RE: France will 'ban all petrol and diesel vehicles by ... - 7/10/2017 1:25:37 PM   
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You truly are dumbfuk1 arnt you.

Myth and legend and lore dictates upon Nikola Tesla death the FBI took every paper and "patent" from his safe.

The Prestige is actually a good film too.

I was led to believe it was Harvard (on a smaller scale) or that other one (MIT perhaps) and even then only fairly recently, and not a "brit" whatever the fuk that is.

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RE: France will 'ban all petrol and diesel vehicles by ... - 7/10/2017 1:49:18 PM   
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awe witto dickee you fuckin ziojiz stooge!

Here is proof of concept single wire (the earth) transmission with a lousy 10 volts!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aKVVOpP9qm0

here he transmits music using dirt as a single wire transmission media and runs fucking motor from the same connection as the speaker simultaneously that you can hear the music playing in the coils, and its done on 1 wire, tesla used the earth for a wire. stick to bashing trump lol

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q4ZLUxhxzcc

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RE: France will 'ban all petrol and diesel vehicles by ... - 7/10/2017 2:01:41 PM   
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everything tesla did fucking worked, they didnt want him tranmissint power around the planet, he had remote control boats before 1900, here is the hairpin, think you are smart try throwing a 100 watt halogen in a bwl of water and pick it up by the live terminals like you can with tesla tech. you people are victims of ziojiz.

scroll to the 21 mark

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fu3YJQdZmis

go ahead try that shit with your ziojiz 240ac LMAO


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RE: France will 'ban all petrol and diesel vehicles by ... - 7/10/2017 2:27:48 PM   
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I told you to do better threads - maybe leave alone: the 500 000 atomised at Dresden and handsome Obama born in nig nog land and no Jew got gassed - they did, well the lucky ones,....my issue is with how that word is used and hijacked for a singular cause

That aside, ah yes Tesla a man before his time and beyond ours - there are so few.

Mines are in no particular order -Tesla, Einstein, Fritz Zwicky, Leonardo da vinci and some one else - fuking memory ah Newton

I usually say tongue in cheek the Scottish invented everything useful eg Alexander graham Bell - no it was tesla
Gigalo Marconi - nah that was Tesla too

Death / heat ray too 10/10

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RE: France will 'ban all petrol and diesel vehicles by ... - 7/10/2017 2:46:21 PM   
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awe witto dickee you fuckin ziojiz stooge!

Here is proof of concept single wire (the earth) transmission with a lousy 10 volts!



here he transmits music using dirt as a single wire transmission media and runs fucking motor from the same connection as the speaker simultaneously that you can hear the music playing in the coils, and its done on 1 wire, tesla used the earth for a wire. stick to bashing trump lol

If this were true then you could do it. You can't so it ain't

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RE: France will 'ban all petrol and diesel vehicles by ... - 7/10/2017 2:49:29 PM   
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France is very progressive. Also realize they are a world leader in nuclear power. They got the electricity to recharge these things and they got it cheap. They started a long time ago and the cost of these nuclear power plants has been pretty much amortized.

They are in a different position than most other countries, and they can probably pull this off. They are experts at nuclear power plants. There is no way it would work here.

People who have electric cars have to have a special circuit put in their garage to charge it. The power cost is not trivial. Even the wire. In the US, if you have an old house you probably have to upgrade the electrical service to make it happen. I have done it to some extent, you need the panel that can handle the current and then you need the service, like 200 amps. There are still houses here that only have 60 amp service. That ain't gonna cut it.

You could probably build a charger that is cut back and doesn't drain as much, but who wants to charge the car for two days to drive it for a day ? I have seen alot of residential wiring in this country and I can tell you that alot of it just will not handle charging an electric car. Where I live now would never handle it. I would have to run a whole new main out to the garage, and may have to change the main panel as well as maybe have the service upgraded to 200 amps.

The cost ? Well think, you never have to buy gasoline (petrol) again.

However making it work in the US would be a bitch. Almost everyone would have to get their electrical upgraded. In France, it is probably different. They have all those nuclear power plants, and I have yet to hear of an accident. They do seem to have their shit together in that department. They are in a unique position to implement this.

However, I doubt that they will force everyone to scrap their cars and buy a new one. Last I heard they have elections there and something like that will get them voted out on their asses. Most people just cannot afford it. So the way I see it is that they will ban the sale of new vehicles that use fossil fuel.

It would be nice if it would work here, but we are a decade away from that at least. First we need the electricity. Then we need the infrastructure to deliver it. If you open a factory here you have to plan with the power company, and PAY. Imagine every house charging two electric cars every night so they can go to work in the morning. France might be able to do this, but my expertise in electronics tells me that we simply cannot do it here.

But it would be nice. Electric cars are different. Sitting in a traffic jam ? Well there is no idle. You might have a drain because of the AC or heater, but you are not running an engine at 400 RPM that needs water cooling and all that. Plus there is no need for a transmission. The torque curve begins at zero RPM.

The downside is the batteries for one. They are an environmental nightmare. When you have to replace them, there will be disposal fees getting rid of the old ones.

If that is how the French want their country, have at it. But I have questions, for one, if I drive my car that uses gasoline across the border, what happens ? Can I buy gasoline ? Or do I just get stuck ?

Did they think this shit out ?


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RE: France will 'ban all petrol and diesel vehicles by ... - 7/10/2017 2:50:13 PM   
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Nicolas Hulot made the announcement as he unveiled a series of measures as part of newly elected President Emmanuel Macron's plan to make the country carbon neutral by 2050.

Mr Hulot said he recognised the target would put pressure on France's car manufacturers, but he said they currently had projects which "can fulfil that promise".

As part of the plan, poorer households will receive a premium so they can swap their polluting vehicles for clean alternatives.

The announcement comes after Volvo said on Wednesday it planned to built only electric and hybrid vehicles from 2019.

Speaking at a press conference, Mr Hulot told reporters France would stop using coal to produce electricity by 2022 and that up to €4bn of investments will help to boost energy efficiency.

France is not the only country which aims to ban combustion-powered cars. The Netherlands and Norway previously said they wanted to get rid of petrol and diesel vehicles by 2025 and Germany and India announced similar plans ahead of 2030.

http://www.independent.co.uk/environment/france-petrol-diesel-ban-vehicles-cars-2040-a7826831.html

California is all in also.

Previously, the country had signed onto an international agreement called the Global ZEV (Zero Emission Vehicles) Alliance that would ban the sale of cars with internal combustion engines by 2050, but Holland apparently decided to cut the deadline by 25 years. Other signers of the Global ZEV Alliance include Germany, the UK, Norway, Quebec, and seven US states including California, Connecticut, Maryland, Massachusetts, New York, Oregon, and Vermont. The agreement states that new cars sold after the deadline will all need to be electric or hydrogen fuel cell cars. If there is any country that could successfully pull off a move like this, it would be Holland due to its progressive mentality.


http://www.carbuzz.com/news/2016/4/8/This-Country-Wants-To-Be-First-To-Ban-All-Gas-And-Diesel-Engines-7732942/

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RE: France will 'ban all petrol and diesel vehicles by ... - 7/10/2017 3:06:47 PM   
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complete twaddle

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RE: France will 'ban all petrol and diesel vehicles by ... - 7/10/2017 3:18:45 PM   
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quote:

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awe witto dickee you fuckin ziojiz stooge!

Here is proof of concept single wire (the earth) transmission with a lousy 10 volts!



here he transmits music using dirt as a single wire transmission media and runs fucking motor from the same connection as the speaker simultaneously that you can hear the music playing in the coils, and its done on 1 wire, tesla used the earth for a wire. stick to bashing trump lol

If this were true then you could do it. You can't so it ain't



You seem to have omitted the proof, but I will still comment.

Tesla was right. However his system is never going to be implemented. Number one, there is no money in it. Number two, having this much electricity pumped through the ground would probably be dangerous.

In my profession I have dealt wit ground fault and they can be very insidious and dangerous. Tesla wanted to supply electricity through the ground that was picked up from the atmosphere.

My electronics education was not quite normal, but it still included safety. I understand this shit to a degree that most don't. Ever hear of a ground gradient ? This is why you want lightning to strike in front of you instead of beside you, because your two legs will be at a closer voltage and you have a better chance or survival.

I've dealt with a guy who was a licensed electrician. He had a problem with a ground gradient not even with lightning striking. He had two grounds, I mean the copper rods pounded into the ground. We sold him a video projector and comes and says anytime his cable is hooked up he gets a hum bar in the picture. That was because of a ground gradient.

And Tesla didn't do it.

The Tesla system, I would bet that you would not be able to let your kids play out in the yard. For there to be a transfer of current there must be voltage. So your backyard is electrified.

Realize just how much when you turn on that central AC. Those things pull almost 20 amps at 220 volts. Do you think you can get that kind of power through the ground ?

You would get electrocuted walking out to your car.

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RE: France will 'ban all petrol and diesel vehicles by ... - 7/10/2017 3:33:44 PM   
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When the wind blows - we can all ready generate everything we need, and the rest we sell to the English scum - some we electrocute for fun

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RE: France will 'ban all petrol and diesel vehicles by ... - 7/10/2017 3:36:53 PM   
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FR

France is very progressive. Also realize they are a world leader in nuclear power.


Amerika is the world leader in nuclear power generation.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear_power_by_country




They got the electricity to recharge these things and they got it cheap. They started a long time ago

France's first reactor came on line in 1977....yeah a long tine ago.





and the cost of these nuclear power plants has been pretty much amortized.

They are in a different position than most other countries, and they can probably pull this off. They are experts at nuclear power plants.

Is that why they have just shut down 20 of their 58 plants?

https://www.ecowatch.com/france-nuclear-power-shut-down-2086414462.html

There is no way it would work here.

Why not the French reactors are amerikan design.

People who have electric cars have to have a special circuit put in their garage to charge it.


Residential properties built in the past fifty or sixty years have had 220vac at 300 amps. So no you are wrong and as usual full of shit.

http://www.nema.org/Standards/Pages/American-National-Standard-for-Electric-Power-Systems-and-Equipment-Voltage-Ratings.aspx


The power cost is not trivial.

Retail electricity is about .15 cents per kwh wholesale is about .05 cents per kwh.

Even the wire. In the US, if you have an old house you probably have to upgrade the electrical service to make it happen.


Hanging a 50 amp receptacle is not a big deal.

I have done it to some extent, you need the panel that can handle the current and then you need the service, like 200 amps.


All you need for the car is a 50 amp circuit.

There are still houses here that only have 60 amp service. That ain't gonna cut it.

Can people that poor afford a tesla?

You could probably build a charger that is cut back and doesn't drain as much, but who wants to charge the car for two days to drive it for a day ?



The charger is built into the car all it needs is electricity.

I have seen alot of residential wiring in this country and I can tell you that alot of it just will not handle charging an electric car. Where I live now would never handle it.
I would have to run a whole new main out to the garage, and may have to change the main panel as well as maybe have the service upgraded to 200 amps.

The cost ? Well think, you never have to buy gasoline (petrol) again.



I will buy diesel for my tractor...but that will be pretty much the extent of it.

However making it work in the US would be a bitch. Almost everyone would have to get their electrical upgraded.


No they would not dumbass as explained above.


In France, it is probably different. They have all those nuclear power plants, and I have yet to hear of an accident.


You obviously do not get out much.


They do seem to have their shit together in that department. They are in a unique position to implement this.

However, I doubt that they will force everyone to scrap their cars and buy a new one.


Try reading the article dumbass. No one is going to have to scrap their car. Gasoline will still be available


Last I heard they have elections there and something like that will get them voted out on their asses.


Had you actually read the article you would have noticed that it was the guy who just got elected who put this up.


Most people just cannot afford it. So the way I see it is that they will ban the sale of new vehicles that use fossil fuel.

It would be nice if it would work here, but we are a decade away from that at least.



As my cite shows it is scheduled for 2050...so that is more than three decades.

First we need the electricity. Then we need the infrastructure to deliver it. If you open a factory here you have to plan with the power company, and PAY. Imagine every house charging two electric cars every night so they can go to work in the morning. France might be able to do this, but my expertise in electronics tells me that we simply cannot do it here.

But it would be nice. Electric cars are different. Sitting in a traffic jam ? Well there is no idle. You might have a drain because of the AC or heater, but you are not running an engine at 400 RPM that needs water cooling and all that. Plus there is no need for a transmission. The torque curve begins at zero RPM.

The downside is the batteries for one. They are an environmental nightmare. When you have to replace them, there will be disposal fees getting rid of the old ones.


We do not seem to be having too much trouble with the lead acid batteries we are currently using so why would it be different for lithium ion?


If that is how the French want their country, have at it. But I have questions, for one, if I drive my car that uses gasoline across the border, what happens ? Can I buy gasoline ? Or do I just get stuck ?

Did they think this shit out ?

If you had bothered to read before running your mouth you would know the answer.
Jesus you are phoquing stupid.


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RE: France will 'ban all petrol and diesel vehicles by ... - 7/10/2017 3:59:48 PM   
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awe witto dickee you fuckin ziojiz stooge!

Here is proof of concept single wire (the earth) transmission with a lousy 10 volts!



here he transmits music using dirt as a single wire transmission media and runs fucking motor from the same connection as the speaker simultaneously that you can hear the music playing in the coils, and its done on 1 wire, tesla used the earth for a wire. stick to bashing trump lol

If this were true then you could do it. You can't so it ain't



You seem to have omitted the proof, but I will still comment.

Tesla was right. However his system is never going to be implemented. Number one, there is no money in it. Number two, having this much electricity pumped through the ground would probably be dangerous.

In my profession I have dealt wit ground fault and they can be very insidious and dangerous. Tesla wanted to supply electricity through the ground that was picked up from the atmosphere.

My electronics education was not quite normal, but it still included safety. I understand this shit to a degree that most don't. Ever hear of a ground gradient ? This is why you want lightning to strike in front of you instead of beside you, because your two legs will be at a closer voltage and you have a better chance or survival.

I've dealt with a guy who was a licensed electrician. He had a problem with a ground gradient not even with lightning striking. He had two grounds, I mean the copper rods pounded into the ground. We sold him a video projector and comes and says anytime his cable is hooked up he gets a hum bar in the picture. That was because of a ground gradient.

And Tesla didn't do it.

The Tesla system, I would bet that you would not be able to let your kids play out in the yard. For there to be a transfer of current there must be voltage. So your backyard is electrified.

Realize just how much when you turn on that central AC. Those things pull almost 20 amps at 220 volts. Do you think you can get that kind of power through the ground ?

You would get electrocuted walking out to your car.

T^T


term you miss a lot of good shit because you dont watch the clips I post. Its a completely different power source that ZioJiz engineering has no clue how it works!

Its safe, you can charge the ground as much as you want. We can see the one guy in the video is able to transmit a mere 10 volts like it was a 2 wire ac circuit, but its not all it needs is the earth, that why tesla installed those huge grid wires underground for wardencliff.

Try this shit with 110 ac outlet and it will blow your hand off, this is another tesla invention, and you can use feed wires that are the thickness of a hair for a 100 watt light 100 feet away from the source.

Totally kool shit the ziojiz programmed tard boys on this board are clueless about.

Anyway since you cant or wont watch vids this is some of the cool stuff you are missing out on.






Still, it wasn't until 1943, the year of his death, that the US Supreme Court recognized Tesla, not Marconi, as the inventor of radio.

During his lifetime, some of Tesla's ideas boggled the minds of his contemporaries. When he would talk about the wireless transmission of sound and images, they thought him delusional. When he hinted at the possibilities of transmitting electricity wirelessly, he was dismissed as a quack.

Still, despite dying virtually penniless at the age of 86, throughout his life, Tesla had interacted, and you might even say, left his mark, on some of the most influential figures of the 20th century. When Tesla arrived in the United States in 1884, he went to work with Thomas Edison. Their relationship was less than congenial. Edison, the hard-headed, auto-didactic entrepreneur wasn't too pleased to work with a brilliant young man who had a highly pedigreed education. According to some biographers, Tesla could speak at least six languages, was capable of picturing completed, working inventions in his head, and knew at a young age that he would someday harness the power of Niagara Falls for electricity. Tesla also devisean electrical system for the home of JP Morgan, and went to work for George Westinghouse after resigning from his work with Edison.

For all his accomplishments, however, Tesla was most affected by the slap in the face he felt when Marconi received the Nobel Prize in 1909. Marconi shared the prize with German scientist Karl Ferdinand Braun, "in recognition of their contributions to the development of wireless telegraphy." I should mention that one of the most famous quotations attributed to Tesla about Marconi is the following: "Marconi is a good fellow. Let him continue. He is using seventeen of my patents." Of course, Tesla spoke these words before Marconi was awarded the Nobel Prize. In a turn of bitter irony, Tesla died before he was awarded the patent initially awarded to Marconi.





In 1943, the US Supreme Court recognized Tesla, not Marconi, as the inventor of radio, but no one knows because ziojizpropaganda programming wont change the history books.


Marconi and the ziojizoids STOLE the the title from Tesla, the proof is that tesla was playing with his radio controlled boats in new york harbor in 1898 a full 2 years before crony got away with stealing teslas patents to use for his transmitter


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Do you require a history lesson bleeding fanny pad and a smashing beating with a big stick

No one, and I mean no-one understands (not i - not any of you) Tesla, and he died a pauper all alone with his pidgeon - back to front time order.

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RE: France will 'ban all petrol and diesel vehicles by ... - 7/10/2017 6:59:41 PM   
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ORIGINAL: WickedsDesire

Do you require a history lesson bleeding fanny pad and a smashing beating with a big stick

No one, and I mean no-one understands (not i - not any of you) Tesla, and he died a pauper all alone with his pidgeon - back to front time order.

Legend has it:
1. I will enter in god mode everywhere - and I mean fuking everywhere and lay waste to all because i deem almost all of no value
2. or one day I will be here, and the next day gone for evermore - bagpipe music please



yeh he didnt expect to get fucked by the ziojiz system. if he did he probably would not have forgiven the 2 million dollar debt that westinghouse owed him ya think?

In a freak coincidence his lab was burned down shortly before marcrony tried to claim he was the inventor of radio.

In typical slimeball brit manner they stole the title from tesla. you are right you are clueless and so is tommy tard, and its fucking simple as shit.

admitting that you dont know is the only truthful shit you said in theis thread.


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