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BoscoX -> RE: President Trump sued for blocking people on Twitter (7/12/2017 3:54:44 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Musicmystery

you aren't well.


Yet another "poopyhead" thread, courtesy of moose [:D]




WickedsDesire -> RE: President Trump sued for blocking people on Twitter (7/12/2017 3:55:18 PM)

So on this thread boscox its now the fault off Obama's Secretary of State




Musicmystery -> RE: President Trump sued for blocking people on Twitter (7/12/2017 3:56:51 PM)


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ORIGINAL: RottenJohnny

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I honestly don't remember -- it was a few months back. But you could Google it, I'm sure.

I already gave it a quick look but didn't really see anything except the joke pages about his tweets. But it occurs to me that if the President can sit in a press conference and ignore some of the reporters he can easily justify blocking tweeters.

OK, I took a look ... it's along the lines of this one:

https://gcn.com/articles/2017/02/01/twitter-presidential-records.aspx

The issue at the time was deleting tweets, which are now presidential records.

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/trump-deleted-tweets-violate-presidential-records-act-article-1.2952416

Even beyond cybersecurity, [Trump's] ad-hoc approach suggests the Trump White House has not fully adjusted to the complexities of life in the federal government.

When Trump deleted a tweet, he likely violated the President Records Act, a 1978 law that requires all presidential writings be preserved. Congress recently amended it to include electronic records.

“If he uses his Twitter account for official presidential business, it should be subject to the Presidential Records Act,” Caroline Mala Corbin, a constitutional law professor at the University Miami, said.

Congress passed the law “after the Watergate scandal and President Nixon’s attempt to hide his records,” she said, to establish that all presidential records “must be preserved.”

http://www.nbcnews.com/politics/white-house/twitter-presidency-experts-see-both-risks-rewards-trump-n712771

Deleting a tweet is commonplace -- Twitter does not allow users to edit their messages after they post. The question is whether Trump is violating the Presidential Records Act of 1978, which requires all the president's records be preserved for eventual release to the public on a delayed basis long after the commander in chief leaves office.

The National Archives and Records Administration is tasked with managing the records. Reached by CNN on Friday, NARA spokesman John Valceanu said the PRA should be followed but directed all questions about the current president to the White House.

Reached for comment, Kelly Love, a White House spokeswoman, said Saturday, "We have systems in place to capture all tweets and preserve them as presidential records; even if they have been deleted."

She did not immediately provide further details, including whether those "systems" would apply to Trump's personal account as stringently as they do the @POTUS account. The PRA specifically does not distinguish between personal and work efforts, and the last provision of the law prohibits personal communications unless there is government redundancy.

Guidance from NARA on the act said presidential records "can be in any media, including textual, audiovisual and electronic." This would almost certainly include tweets from the President's personal account as it does to the official @potus account handed down to Trump from former President Barack Obama.

Trump often deletes tweets from his personal account over spelling mistakes and then quickly tweets corrected versions. There are caveats in the law for personal records, like a private diary, but the act "requires the president and his staff to take all practical steps to file personal records separately from presidential records."
The responsibility for complying with the law lies with the President. Whether the President has violated the spirit of the law is a trickier question.

"The PRA gives ownership of all presidential records to the United States (we the people), and all of those records must be transferred to the Archivist of the United States after the president leaves office," Shontavia Johnson, a law professor at Drake University Law School, wrote in an email to CNN. "The only presidential records that can be disposed of are those that 'no longer have administrative, historical, informational, or evidentiary value.' To completely dispose of presidential records, including tweets, the president has to go through certain complex steps with the Archivist, who has years of training maintaining such information."

http://www.cnn.com/2017/02/18/politics/presidential-records-act-donald-trump-twitter/index.html




Hillwilliam -> RE: President Trump sued for blocking people on Twitter (7/12/2017 4:00:28 PM)


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Actually not. I saw some interesting pieces on this a while back.

Just curious, got some links to share? I'd like to see this for myself.

I went to yahoo and typed "Trump sued twitter"
DAMN, I only got 406 MILLION results.

Are you too fucking stupid to do that?
here's #1. http://money.cnn.com/2017/07/11/technology/trump-twitter-user-lawsuit/index.html
the other 405,999,999 are up to you [8|]

Maybe I was hoping to read the same articles he was referring to. Did you ever think of that, assclown? [8|]

There are 406 MILLION of them there.
Maybe you should look instead of making someone lead you by the hand as you are, by your own admission, incapable of googling something so simple a kindergartener could have done it.[8|]




WickedsDesire -> RE: President Trump sued for blocking people on Twitter (7/12/2017 4:00:29 PM)

They are legal tender jobbies - you were correct the first time

Strange many Americans do not actually know that. So many lies to preserve




Wayward5oul -> RE: President Trump sued for blocking people on Twitter (7/12/2017 4:05:10 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Hillwilliam


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ORIGINAL: RottenJohnny

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ORIGINAL: Hillwilliam
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ORIGINAL: RottenJohnny
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ORIGINAL: Musicmystery
Actually not. I saw some interesting pieces on this a while back.

Just curious, got some links to share? I'd like to see this for myself.

I went to yahoo and typed "Trump sued twitter"
DAMN, I only got 406 MILLION results.

Are you too fucking stupid to do that?
here's #1. http://money.cnn.com/2017/07/11/technology/trump-twitter-user-lawsuit/index.html
the other 405,999,999 are up to you [8|]

Maybe I was hoping to read the same articles he was referring to. Did you ever think of that, assclown? [8|]

There are 406 MILLION of them there.
Maybe you should look instead of making someone lead you by the hand as you are, by your own admission, incapable of googling something so simple a kindergartener could have done it.[8|]

Actually, the money. Com article you linked provides good info, including a SCOTUS judges opinion on the importance of social media as a way to petition public officials, and the fact that Trump often uses his personal account to disseminate official policy and statements. Pretty relevant points there.




RottenJohnny -> RE: President Trump sued for blocking people on Twitter (7/12/2017 4:12:29 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Musicmystery

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ORIGINAL: RottenJohnny

quote:

ORIGINAL: Musicmystery
I honestly don't remember -- it was a few months back. But you could Google it, I'm sure.

I already gave it a quick look but didn't really see anything except the joke pages about his tweets. But it occurs to me that if the President can sit in a press conference and ignore some of the reporters he can easily justify blocking tweeters.

OK, I took a look ... it's along the lines of this one:

https://gcn.com/articles/2017/02/01/twitter-presidential-records.aspx

The issue at the time was deleting tweets, which are now presidential records.

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/trump-deleted-tweets-violate-presidential-records-act-article-1.2952416

Even beyond cybersecurity, [Trump's] ad-hoc approach suggests the Trump White House has not fully adjusted to the complexities of life in the federal government.

When Trump deleted a tweet, he likely violated the President Records Act, a 1978 law that requires all presidential writings be preserved. Congress recently amended it to include electronic records.

“If he uses his Twitter account for official presidential business, it should be subject to the Presidential Records Act,” Caroline Mala Corbin, a constitutional law professor at the University Miami, said.

Congress passed the law “after the Watergate scandal and President Nixon’s attempt to hide his records,” she said, to establish that all presidential records “must be preserved.”

http://www.nbcnews.com/politics/white-house/twitter-presidency-experts-see-both-risks-rewards-trump-n712771

Thanks. I'll have a look.




Musicmystery -> RE: President Trump sued for blocking people on Twitter (7/12/2017 7:48:36 PM)

Quite welcome.




MrRodgers -> RE: President Trump sued for blocking people on Twitter (7/12/2017 7:49:44 PM)


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Twitter is not an official government arm. When Trump uses it he is effectively just another celebrity tweeting away.

But it is an official government account, one that is used specifically to disseminate info, and citizens are being blocked from it. It is subject to government communication policies, which is why there has also been pushback and talk of lawsuits whenever something is deleted. Trumps own press secretary has suggested that Trump's tweets should be taken as official policy statements.

Personally, I could care less. I don't follow his Twitter. But it is censoring speech on an official government channel of communication.

Not for repubs, they get to play by an entirely different set of rules. In fact for them, there...are no rules.





WickedsDesire -> RE: President Trump sued for blocking people on Twitter (7/12/2017 7:52:45 PM)

Should i differentiate between the trump mob and republican nutters?




MrRodgers -> RE: President Trump sued for blocking people on Twitter (7/12/2017 7:53:40 PM)

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ORIGINAL: BoscoX


Obama's Secretary of State hid official classified government emails on an illegal private server in a bathroom though... Not an issue [:D]

Secretaries of State Powell and Rice hid official classified government emails on an illegal private servers. Never mind it was all made illegal after all 3 did it.

Look, I understand the reasoning of why Hillary shouldn't be president and by the same standards, Trump shouldn't be dog catcher.




Musicmystery -> RE: President Trump sued for blocking people on Twitter (7/26/2017 6:39:16 AM)

At the end of the day, presidents can't be as capricious as Trump likes to be.




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