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Thus the “standard” that all who call themselves “Christian” or are thought to be “Christian” are “Christian” turns out to be a “fallacious arbitrary standard” and thus is in of itself a type of “No True Scotsman fallacy”.

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So then, we went to the moon and back, not because of scientists and engineers, but because god wanted to raise questions about when it occurred or if it ever occurred at all.

Good info.

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ORIGINAL: Milesnmiles
Thus the “standard” that all who call themselves “Christian” or are thought to be “Christian” are “Christian” turns out to be a “fallacious arbitrary standard” and thus is in of itself a type of “No True Scotsman fallacy”.

So everyone calling themselves a "Christian' is engaging in a fallacy ... Leaving aside the tortuous 'logic' employed to arrive at this remarkable conclusion, I have no doubt this will come as news to the millions of people who profess to be 'Christians' and very probably unwelcome news at that. How will they react to the argument that there cannot be a 'true' form of 'Christianity' because there's no such thing as 'Christianity' to begin with? To hearing that anyone describing themselves as a 'Christian' is perpetrating a fraud...? Perhaps some of our resident 'Christians' might have a few things to say about that ...

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I must admit this argument has the stamp of finality that only truly self defeating arguments possess ... it's the intellectual equivalent of cutting off your nose to spite your face. As you have effectively demolished the basis for any argument you may wish to advance in defence of Christianity, further discussion seems superfluous, utterly redundant.

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Thank you for your time, effort and pleasantness. Better luck with the result next time.

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ORIGINAL: Milesnmiles
As I said the Bible contains the standards for whether you are a “Christian” or not and it is those standards that show if you are a “Christian” and calling yourself a “Christian” is not one of them.

So, in conclusion it is not a “no true Scotsman fallacy” to say some who are thought to be “Christians” are not “Christians”

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Were the crusaders christians?

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Were the conquestadores christians?

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While I haven't found the specific passage in the bible that authorizes genocide and slavery of non christians it is a cultural practice that 'christians' seemed to involve themselves in as a religious expression.

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First are there are “true standards” for what a “True Christian” is? Yes and they can be found in the Bible.

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Predestination, it is interesting that "Evolution" is also strongly on the side of predestination, since the Universe is like a large set of set up dominoes and once started by the "Big Bang" there is nothing to stop or change what is happening until the dominoes stop falling. Evolution, our existence and any decisions we might make are all just part of the "natural" chain of events that started with the "Big Bang". Most "Evolutionists" don't seem to realize that predestination is a kind of side corollary to their “belief” in "Evolution".

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Predestination, it is interesting that "Evolution" is also strongly on the side of predestination, since the Universe is like a large set of set up dominoes and once started by the "Big Bang" there is nothing to stop or change what is happening until the dominoes stop falling. Evolution, our existence and any decisions we might make are all just part of the "natural" chain of events that started with the "Big Bang". Most "Evolutionists" don't seem to realize that predestination is a kind of side corollary to their “belief” in "Evolution".

An awesome demonstration of your ignorance of evolution. There are a great many alternatives and chance happenings during the evolution of life due to the unpredictability of environmental changes. Environmental changes are major players in the narrative of evolution. To link evolution to predestination is to suggest a mechanical certainty, which simply is not borne out by the fossil and genomic evidence. Your ignorance about evolution is appalling, Miles. I hope you will educate yourself.

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VML, I'll admit I haven't looked at evolution in years. But, as I recall since nobody was there as evolution took place and they've not yet discovered a means to measure the effects of environmental changes that occurred eons ago, that "environmental changes" is a theory. Do you have a link to it actually being more than a theory? If you do not, respectfully, couldn't the mechanical process of predestination be as likely as the mechanical process of environmental change?

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Predestination, it is interesting that "Evolution" is also strongly on the side of predestination, since the Universe is like a large set of set up dominoes and once started by the "Big Bang" there is nothing to stop or change what is happening until the dominoes stop falling. Evolution, our existence and any decisions we might make are all just part of the "natural" chain of events that started with the "Big Bang". Most "Evolutionists" don't seem to realize that predestination is a kind of side corollary to their “belief” in "Evolution".

An awesome demonstration of your ignorance of evolution. There are a great many alternatives and chance happenings during the evolution of life due to the unpredictability of environmental changes. Environmental changes are major players in the narrative of evolution. To link evolution to predestination is to suggest a mechanical certainty, which simply is not borne out by the fossil and genomic evidence. Your ignorance about evolution is appalling, Miles. I hope you will educate yourself.

VML, I'll admit I haven't looked at evolution in years. But, as I recall since nobody was there as evolution took place and they've not yet discovered a means to measure the effects of environmental changes that occurred eons ago, that "environmental changes" is a theory. Do you have a link to it actually being more than a theory? If you do not, respectfully, couldn't the mechanical process of predestination be as likely as the mechanical process of environmental change? Of course, I realize that by asking the question there has to be an assumption of God in a predestination mechanical theory.

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VML, I'll admit I haven't looked at evolution in years. But, as I recall since nobody was there as evolution took place and they've not yet discovered a means to measure the effects of environmental changes that occurred eons ago, that "environmental changes" is a theory. Do you have a link to it actually being more than a theory? If you do not, respectfully, couldn't the mechanical process of predestination be as likely as the mechanical process of environmental change?

You're falling into the mistake of assuming that there hasn't been an environment change that qualifies as an evolutionary pressure in recent history. Google "New England Peppered Moths" for an example of natural selection being observed as it was taking place.

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First are there are “true standards” for what a “True Christian” is? Yes and they can be found in the Bible.

Really? And just what are they?

This should be fun.

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VML, I'll admit I haven't looked at evolution in years. But, as I recall since nobody was there as evolution took place and they've not yet discovered a means to measure the effects of environmental changes that occurred eons ago, that "environmental changes" is a theory. Do you have a link to it actually being more than a theory? If you do not, respectfully, couldn't the mechanical process of predestination be as likely as the mechanical process of environmental change?

You're falling into the mistake of assuming that there hasn't been an environment change that qualifies as an evolutionary pressure in recent history. Google "New England Peppered Moths" for an example of natural selection being observed as it was taking place.

I'm not falling into anything while you are projecting once again. I stated I haven't looked at evolution in years and asked respectfully if VML had information more current than I.

I am aware, for instance, that when I hunt pheasants the birds I find usually don't fly and assume that is so because most of the pheasants shot and killed have the predisposition to elude hunters by flying and when they are shot they don't pass on their genetics. But, how is that sort of thing to be attributed to a mechanical process that is admittedly a theory...which is the substance, really, of my question to VLM. Your point doesn't address my query so much as try to make me sound like a dullard by not addressing my point. Which I find is your usual troll behavior.

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ORIGINAL: Milesnmiles
ORIGINAL: Milesnmiles
As I said the Bible contains the standards for whether you are a “Christian” or not and it is those standards that show if you are a “Christian” and calling yourself a “Christian” is not one of them.

So, in conclusion it is not a “no true Scotsman fallacy” to say some who are thought to be “Christians” are not “Christians”

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Predestination, it is interesting that "Evolution" is also strongly on the side of predestination, since the Universe is like a large set of set up dominoes and once started by the "Big Bang" there is nothing to stop or change what is happening until the dominoes stop falling. Evolution, our existence and any decisions we might make are all just part of the "natural" chain of events that started with the "Big Bang". Most "Evolutionists" don't seem to realize that predestination is a kind of side corollary to their “belief” in "Evolution".

An awesome demonstration of your ignorance of evolution. There are a great many alternatives and chance happenings during the evolution of life due to the unpredictability of environmental changes. Environmental changes are major players in the narrative of evolution. To link evolution to predestination is to suggest a mechanical certainty, which simply is not borne out by the fossil and genomic evidence. Your ignorance about evolution is appalling, Miles. I hope you will educate yourself.

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VML, I'll admit I haven't looked at evolution in years. But, as I recall since nobody was there as evolution took place and they've not yet discovered a means to measure the effects of environmental changes that occurred eons ago, that "environmental changes" is a theory. Do you have a link to it actually being more than a theory? If you do not, respectfully, couldn't the mechanical process of predestination be as likely as the mechanical process of environmental change?

You're falling into the mistake of assuming that there hasn't been an environment change that qualifies as an evolutionary pressure in recent history. Google "New England Peppered Moths" for an example of natural selection being observed as it was taking place.

I'm not falling into anything while you are projecting once again. I stated I haven't looked at evolution in years and asked respectfully if VML had information more current than I.

I am aware, for instance, that when I hunt pheasants the birds I find usually don't fly and assume that is so because most of the pheasants shot and killed have the predisposition to elude hunters by flying and when they are shot they don't pass on their genetics. But, how is that sort of thing to be attributed to a mechanical process that is admittedly a theory...which is the substance, really, of my question to VLM. Your point doesn't address my query so much as try to make me sound like a dullard by not addressing my point. Which I find is your usual troll behavior.

I'm sorry you feel that a demonstration of the bolded sentence in your post being incorrect is being trolled, but I suppose I shouldn't expect any better from you.

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Predestination, it is interesting that "Evolution" is also strongly on the side of predestination, since the Universe is like a large set of set up dominoes and once started by the "Big Bang" there is nothing to stop or change what is happening until the dominoes stop falling. Evolution, our existence and any decisions we might make are all just part of the "natural" chain of events that started with the "Big Bang". Most "Evolutionists" don't seem to realize that predestination is a kind of side corollary to their “belief” in "Evolution".


An awesome demonstration of your ignorance of evolution. There are a great many alternatives and chance happenings during the evolution of life due to the unpredictability of environmental changes. Environmental changes are major players in the narrative of evolution. To link evolution to predestination is to suggest a mechanical certainty, which simply is not borne out by the fossil and genomic evidence. Your ignorance about evolution is appalling, Miles. I hope you will educate

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Predestination, it is interesting that "Evolution" is also strongly on the side of predestination, since the Universe is like a large set of set up dominoes and once started by the "Big Bang" there is nothing to stop or change what is happening until the dominoes stop falling. Evolution, our existence and any decisions we might make are all just part of the "natural" chain of events that started with the "Big Bang". Most "Evolutionists" don't seem to realize that predestination is a kind of side corollary to their “belief” in "Evolution".

An awesome demonstration of your ignorance of evolution. There are a great many alternatives and chance happenings during the evolution of life due to the unpredictability of environmental changes. Environmental changes are major players in the narrative of evolution. To link evolution to predestination is to suggest a mechanical certainty, which simply is not borne out by the fossil and genomic evidence. Your ignorance about evolution is appalling, Miles. I hope you will educate yourself.

VML, I'll admit I haven't looked at evolution in years. But, as I recall since nobody was there as evolution took place and they've not yet discovered a means to measure the effects of environmental changes that occurred eons ago, that "environmental changes" is a theory. Do you have a link to it actually being more than a theory? If you do not, respectfully, couldn't the mechanical process of predestination be as likely as the mechanical process of environmental change? Of course, I realize that by asking the question there has to be an assumption of God in a predestination mechanical theory.

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VML, I'll admit I haven't looked at evolution in years. But, as I recall since nobody was there as evolution took place and they've not yet discovered a means to measure the effects of environmental changes that occurred eons ago, that "environmental changes" is a theory. Do you have a link to it actually being more than a theory? If you do not, respectfully, couldn't the mechanical process of predestination be as likely as the mechanical process of environmental change?

You're falling into the mistake of assuming that there hasn't been an environment change that qualifies as an evolutionary pressure in recent history. Google "New England Peppered Moths" for an example of natural selection being observed as it was taking place.

I'm not falling into anything while you are projecting once again. I stated I haven't looked at evolution in years and asked respectfully if VML had information more current than I.

I am aware, for instance, that when I hunt pheasants the birds I find usually don't fly and assume that is so because most of the pheasants shot and killed have the predisposition to elude hunters by flying and when they are shot they don't pass on their genetics. But, how is that sort of thing to be attributed to a mechanical process that is admittedly a theory...which is the substance, really, of my question to VLM. Your point doesn't address my query so much as try to make me sound like a dullard by not addressing my point. Which I find is your usual troll behavior.

I'm sorry you feel that a demonstration of the bolded sentence in your post being incorrect is being trolled, but I suppose I shouldn't expect any better from you.

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Biologists consider it to be a scientific fact that evolution has occurred in that modern organisms differ from past forms, and evolution is still occurring with discernible differences between organisms and their descendants. There is such strong quantitative support for the second that scientists regard common descent as being as factual as the understanding that in the Solar System the Earth orbits the Sun, although the examination of the fundamentals of these processes is still in progress. There are several theories about the mechanisms of evolution, and there are still active debates about specific mechanisms.[9]

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Predestination, it is interesting that "Evolution" is also strongly on the side of predestination, since the Universe is like a large set of set up dominoes and once started by the "Big Bang" there is nothing to stop or change what is happening until the dominoes stop falling. Evolution, our existence and any decisions we might make are all just part of the "natural" chain of events that started with the "Big Bang". Most "Evolutionists" don't seem to realize that predestination is a kind of side corollary to their “belief” in "Evolution".

An awesome demonstration of your ignorance of evolution. There are a great many alternatives and chance happenings during the evolution of life due to the unpredictability of environmental changes. Environmental changes are major players in the narrative of evolution. To link evolution to predestination is to suggest a mechanical certainty, which simply is not borne out by the fossil and genomic evidence. Your ignorance about evolution is appalling, Miles. I hope you will educate yourself.

VML, I'll admit I haven't looked at evolution in years. But, as I recall since nobody was there as evolution took place and they've not yet discovered a means to measure the effects of environmental changes that occurred eons ago, that "environmental changes" is a theory. Do you have a link to it actually being more than a theory? If you do not, respectfully, couldn't the mechanical process of predestination be as likely as the mechanical process of environmental change? Of course, I realize that by asking the question there has to be an assumption of God in a predestination mechanical theory.

I'm not sure that there would necessarily have to be an "assumption of God in a predestination mechanical theory", just start with the "Big Bang"and everything would just flow down hill from there.