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vincentML -> RE: Creationist Belief Falling into the Dumpster (7/17/2017 8:35:36 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Real0ne quote: ORIGINAL: vincentML quote: ORIGINAL: Nnanji quote: ORIGINAL: blnymph quote: ORIGINAL: Nnanji ... I believe that the way this nation is set up, one central government shouldn't be dictating what the entire nation learns in the classroom. If parents want to teach that life climbed out of a lightning struck mud pool or was divinely created a few thousand years ago they should have access to the people who dictate the curriculum. ... So the ignorants who have no knowledge about any matters should and do dictate the curriculum? No more questions ... The parents of the child. Only a fascist would make your assumption and take away parental rights. No body is taking away parental rights. If you want your kid to learn something not taught in the public schools enroll him/her in an alternative of your choice. There are plenty available. and be forced to pay for state schooling and the establishment and growth of the state religion that you will never use. you have the right to choose and pay for the state religion, not only do you have the right you will fucking pay for the state religion and its growth within society to insure your religion is drowned out makes a fuck you will never use at the end of a barrel of a gun!! capice' Well yes, people who don't drive cars pay property taxes that go for road repair. Aint that a bitch!

heavyblinker -> RE: Creationist Belief Falling into the Dumpster (7/17/2017 8:35:54 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Real0ne quote: ORIGINAL: heavyblinker quote: ORIGINAL: Real0ne quote: ORIGINAL: Nnanji ... I believe that the way this nation is set up, one central government shouldn't be dictating what the entire nation learns in the classroom. If parents want to teach that life climbed out of a lightning struck mud pool or was divinely created a few thousand years ago they should have access to the people who dictate the curriculum. ... but choosing your own curriculum would be religious freedom and we cant have that in america, no no no! Not letting them force children to accept their dogma as science isn't the same thing as burning down their church. Can you seriously not see the difference? and you prescribe to 100% statist domination of the mind and souls of people, holy shitteroid! Unfortunately, you're free to be a complete fucking idiot who makes up his own reality... but there's a difference between letting people do that to themselves and actually teaching them that it's how things really are.

kdsub -> RE: Creationist Belief Falling into the Dumpster (7/17/2017 8:36:45 AM)
Vince I agree with your post completely... My spirituality however goes far beyond the Bible or any other religious text and DOES include science. I know my post is a little off the subject but I am posting a link below and I hope you take the time to read it... It is short and gives no answers but it does raise some very important questions that science needs to look at. It is somewhat the basis for my belief in a universal intelligence of a sort if not along the lines of contemporary religion. Here is an example of a question asked... think about it: How can physical atoms and molecules, for example, create something that exists in a separate domain that has no physical existence: human consciousness? Otherwise ...thought is real... but it has no physical existence... what and where is it then? How amazing is it that right now I can give you something that does not exist, where it can be quantified physically by science, but it is as real as the dirt under your feet. And the link http://www.newsweek.com/god-faith-religion-science-does-god-exist-existence-god-608897 Butch

vincentML -> RE: Creationist Belief Falling into the Dumpster (7/17/2017 8:39:58 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Nnanji quote: ORIGINAL: vincentML quote: ORIGINAL: Real0ne quote: ORIGINAL: Nnanji ... I believe that the way this nation is set up, one central government shouldn't be dictating what the entire nation learns in the classroom. If parents want to teach that life climbed out of a lightning struck mud pool or was divinely created a few thousand years ago they should have access to the people who dictate the curriculum. ... but choosing your own curriculum would be religious freedom and we cant have that in america, no no no! Not in the public schools, no. Rather than having your religion fostered on the rest of the class we arrange for you to home school your kid. Problem solved. Sure, as long as when you home school you also pay the public schools in order to keep the union reps employed. Oh no, not the union reps!!! Horrors to think 18,000 teachers in Miami Schools should speak with one voice in negotiating with the school board. Well fuck, let them go in one at a time and discuss the terms of their contracts, or better they should work without contracts and be subject to Administrative biases.

vincentML -> RE: Creationist Belief Falling into the Dumpster (7/17/2017 8:42:12 AM)
quote: The problem is the state has overeached and has established itself as a religion. This happens when it favors one religion over another, such as bigamy laws, gay cakes and so forth, hence the state religion is being fostered and FORCED upon people. That is unadulterated, embarrassing horseshit.

Real0ne -> RE: Creationist Belief Falling into the Dumpster (7/17/2017 8:51:54 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: vincentML quote: The problem is the state has overeached and has established itself as a religion. This happens when it favors one religion over another, such as bigamy laws, gay cakes and so forth, hence the state religion is being fostered and FORCED upon people. That is unadulterated, embarrassing horseshit. bullshit vince, when the state takes a religious stand it establishes itself as a religion. That is what religion is ffs. The only legitimate course of action the state can choose is to dismiss those cases entirely on grounds they are religious matters. If any case should stand out like a sore glaring red thumb its state bigamy laws used to trump the mormons religious practice of poly.

Real0ne -> RE: Creationist Belief Falling into the Dumpster (7/17/2017 8:59:00 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: vincentML quote: The problem is the state has overeached and has established itself as a religion. This happens when it favors one religion over another, such as bigamy laws, gay cakes and so forth, hence the state religion is being fostered and FORCED upon people. That is unadulterated, embarrassing horseshit. yes your refusal to admit that when its a religion its done by personal choice and by state its done by gun and state choice identical to what the king did, only instead of calling himself a god exchanging it for a better label, democracy, dim light light for the dimwits. THAT is why, all this shit we are arguing about these days is because the state said fuck the constitution our way, the gun way, or prison.

Hillwilliam -> RE: Creationist Belief Falling into the Dumpster (7/17/2017 9:00:29 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Nnanji quote: ORIGINAL: vincentML quote: ORIGINAL: Real0ne quote: ORIGINAL: Nnanji ... I believe that the way this nation is set up, one central government shouldn't be dictating what the entire nation learns in the classroom. If parents want to teach that life climbed out of a lightning struck mud pool or was divinely created a few thousand years ago they should have access to the people who dictate the curriculum. ... but choosing your own curriculum would be religious freedom and we cant have that in america, no no no! Not in the public schools, no. Rather than having your religion fostered on the rest of the class we arrange for you to home school your kid. Problem solved. Sure, as long as when you home school you also pay the public schools in order to keep the union reps employed. The fact that there are a multitude of systems with no union kills that statement.

Nnanji -> RE: Creationist Belief Falling into the Dumpster (7/17/2017 9:03:33 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: WhoreMods quote: ORIGINAL: Nnanji quote: ORIGINAL: WhoreMods quote: ORIGINAL: Nnanji quote: ORIGINAL: WhoreMods quote: ORIGINAL: Nnanji quote: ORIGINAL: blnymph quote: ORIGINAL: Nnanji ... I believe that the way this nation is set up, one central government shouldn't be dictating what the entire nation learns in the classroom. If parents want to teach that life climbed out of a lightning struck mud pool or was divinely created a few thousand years ago they should have access to the people who dictate the curriculum. ... So the ignorants who have no knowledge about any matters should and do dictate the curriculum? No more questions ... The parents of the child. Only a fascist would make your assumption and take away parental rights. The child's parents' authority should extend to every other child in the school district as well as their own , then? What an idiot. Not an answer to my objection to your hilarious comment about having other people humour your desire to teach your children lies rather than the sciences being a parental right. You are a good little kool aid drinking socialist aren't you. So if parental authority trumps any socialist intervention from a government or education board, I take it you're fine with parents who feel that their parental authority extends to abusing their children, and feel that they should be left to get on with that? Oh yes, it's obviously an either/or situation where, since I believe that parents should have access to those how choose their kids school ciriculum I also believe that anything goes with the parents at home. Sure put the little tikes in child porn, after all, if that's necessary to allow a parent to have access to what the child's taught it's reasonable isn't it? [/sarcasm]

Real0ne -> RE: Creationist Belief Falling into the Dumpster (7/17/2017 9:03:58 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: kdsub I can give you something that does not exist, where it can be quantified by science, but it is as real and the dirt under your feet. Butch and the trick to understanding this in its proper context is that religion focuses far more on quality, which is properly outside the boundary realm of science.

Musicmystery -> RE: Creationist Belief Falling into the Dumpster (7/17/2017 9:04:01 AM)
And that while union officers at the top are paid (and not substantially), most union reps are volunteers (a few receive small stipends for specific organizational oversight).

Nnanji -> RE: Creationist Belief Falling into the Dumpster (7/17/2017 9:14:20 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: heavyblinker quote: ORIGINAL: WhoreMods quote: ORIGINAL: Nnanji quote: ORIGINAL: WhoreMods quote: ORIGINAL: Nnanji quote: ORIGINAL: blnymph quote: ORIGINAL: Nnanji ... I believe that the way this nation is set up, one central government shouldn't be dictating what the entire nation learns in the classroom. If parents want to teach that life climbed out of a lightning struck mud pool or was divinely created a few thousand years ago they should have access to the people who dictate the curriculum. ... So the ignorants who have no knowledge about any matters should and do dictate the curriculum? No more questions ... The parents of the child. Only a fascist would make your assumption and take away parental rights. The child's parents' authority should extend to every other child in the school district as well as their own , then? What an idiot. Not an answer to my objection to your hilarious comment about having other people humour your desire to teach your children lies rather than the sciences being a parental right. The problem here is that you expect him to understand that a community that includes people trying to pretend their dogma is science might also include people with different backgrounds and different religious beliefs. Oh, and also parents who don't want their children to grow up to be fucking idiots like the ones who voted for Trump. Actually the problem is that you can't/won't think beyond your dogmatic, knee jerk socialism...well and that you think you're just too cute.

Nnanji -> RE: Creationist Belief Falling into the Dumpster (7/17/2017 9:18:16 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: vincentML quote: ORIGINAL: Nnanji quote: ORIGINAL: vincentML quote: ORIGINAL: Real0ne quote: ORIGINAL: Nnanji ... I believe that the way this nation is set up, one central government shouldn't be dictating what the entire nation learns in the classroom. If parents want to teach that life climbed out of a lightning struck mud pool or was divinely created a few thousand years ago they should have access to the people who dictate the curriculum. ... but choosing your own curriculum would be religious freedom and we cant have that in america, no no no! Not in the public schools, no. Rather than having your religion fostered on the rest of the class we arrange for you to home school your kid. Problem solved. Sure, as long as when you home school you also pay the public schools in order to keep the union reps employed. Oh no, not the union reps!!! Horrors to think 18,000 teachers in Miami Schools should speak with one voice in negotiating with the school board. Well fuck, let them go in one at a time and discuss the terms of their contracts, or better they should work without contracts and be subject to Administrative biases. I have no problem with any person seeking and obtaining as much as they can for their labor. I have no problem with a union. I owned a company that used union labor. What I do have a problem with, with regard to the teachers unions, is that they have no concern for the kids. I'll trade horror stories about unions with you offering good stories any time.

Real0ne -> RE: Creationist Belief Falling into the Dumpster (7/17/2017 9:18:31 AM)
basically when its done by the state, the state forces EVERYONE to do things the state way, and the people are FORCED to GIVE UP doing things their way. In the case of gay cakes which is clearly [a religion] because it is a precise antithesis to the christian religion. extremely simply 101 synthesis, not much different than light/dark synthesis. This is why religion is so important, because even atheists have morals and once the state gets a hold of the TOTAL or near toal power [as it is today] to establish and rule by state religion atheists can shove their morals where the sun dont shine because they too are subject to the state religion! Right now most atheists are set on a course to self destruct because they dont have the mental capacity to think beyond their noses of the consequences of what they preach

Nnanji -> RE: Creationist Belief Falling into the Dumpster (7/17/2017 9:21:01 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Hillwilliam quote: ORIGINAL: Nnanji quote: ORIGINAL: vincentML quote: ORIGINAL: Real0ne quote: ORIGINAL: Nnanji ... I believe that the way this nation is set up, one central government shouldn't be dictating what the entire nation learns in the classroom. If parents want to teach that life climbed out of a lightning struck mud pool or was divinely created a few thousand years ago they should have access to the people who dictate the curriculum. ... but choosing your own curriculum would be religious freedom and we cant have that in america, no no no! Not in the public schools, no. Rather than having your religion fostered on the rest of the class we arrange for you to home school your kid. Problem solved. Sure, as long as when you home school you also pay the public schools in order to keep the union reps employed. The fact that there are a multitude of systems with no union kills that statement. Being from California I wasn't aware of that. But, it doesn't kill the statement when the teachers union is one of the largest donors to dems nationally.

Nnanji -> RE: Creationist Belief Falling into the Dumpster (7/17/2017 9:24:16 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Musicmystery And that while union officers at the top are paid (and not substantially), most union reps are volunteers (a few receive small stipends for specific organizational oversight). Bullshit. In town here they have an office where they sit a secratery and pay her $120,000 a year to sit and do nothing. Nobody else ever shows up. And if they're paying clerical $120k you tell me the officers are making less. I do know what they make so you go ahead and tell me they make less while they don't even show up.

Real0ne -> RE: Creationist Belief Falling into the Dumpster (7/17/2017 9:26:10 AM)
the state has set up a system of 'here is what we are gonna do, fuck you], then you get to pay for their system and then on top of that pay for the education you want for your kids, then advertize it under 'uniform' taxation, and nothing could be further from the truth. Its taxation without representation and wipe your asses with petition for remedy it does not exist once the state has spoken.

Real0ne -> RE: Creationist Belief Falling into the Dumpster (7/17/2017 9:27:45 AM)
gubmint is a rico racket

Musicmystery -> RE: Creationist Belief Falling into the Dumpster (7/17/2017 9:32:25 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Nnanji quote: ORIGINAL: Musicmystery And that while union officers at the top are paid (and not substantially), most union reps are volunteers (a few receive small stipends for specific organizational oversight). Bullshit. In town here they have an office where they sit a secratery and pay her $120,000 a year to sit and do nothing. Nobody else ever shows up. And if they're paying clerical $120k you tell me the officers are making less. I do know what they make so you go ahead and tell me they make less while they don't even show up. Bullshit right back at you. My partner is on the state negotiating team and holds a leadership post, and makes nearly nothing. Nor are the others so well paid (she rubs elbows with many folks from the other unions). What union is this that pays the secretary $120,000? And what is this position really? For example, in the AFM, the "secretary" is really the guy who runs the local day to day.

Nnanji -> RE: Creationist Belief Falling into the Dumpster (7/17/2017 9:33:25 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: vincentML quote: I read about a paragraph or so and then your women's studies thought process screamed so much ignorance I had to stop. Let's take, for instance, that you don't know what you're freaking talking about first. Perhaps you'll go back and read the context of the statement and then try to apply your women's studies to actually what was being discussed. Now there is a piss poor ad hom reply to Tweakabelle. Obviously you cannot defend your claim that infinite evidence alone can match the utility of Faith, the latter being the acceptance of a Truth based on no evidence. You don't see the inconsistency in your statement so you attack the poster who shows you what nonsense you are spouting. Commendable [8\|] No, the poster didn't go back to the original post and she used merely the words I said out of context. Which appears to be what the lefties often do here.

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