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Greta75 -> RE: Awesome scene lined up (8/1/2017 6:33:33 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: UllrsIshtar No, it wasn't effective at all in fixing the problem, because the problem was that I perceived myself as being 'unsafe'. Your eye sight went abnormal. Like worst than you ever experienced it before. Obviously the first person you want to run back to is your husband as you trust him the most, more than the stranger whom you never met, to make sure everything will be okay with you and also if you actually needed medical care, he will definitely make sure you get it ASAP. I think that's very normal.

LadyPact -> RE: Awesome scene lined up (8/2/2017 2:04:23 PM)
I contacted Ullr about sending a note a couple of days after you had processed but since you are being so forth-coming on the thread, I figured this will do. Truthfully, I contacted Ullr in the first place because my thoughts went to your head space and how you would deal with the airport. Knowing from where you were flying from (the location of your captor) and where you were flying to (back home), I was a little concerned about you navigating an airport in an altered state. From where you left, you were going from major airport to major airport. For the return, I was thinking major airport to major airport, plus a connecting hop to get you to the airport where you live. Something I wasn't sure was going to be great after my experiences with similar scenarios. No calm down time and nobody accompanying you. I'm glad to hear that you will have an escort next time and your release will not be immediate. From the top side, having participated in these types of things on a small scale, one of my primary goals is to make the subject lose their concept of time. Remove the 'normal' instances that a person associates with time and you can manage to distort them. Increase this effect with pain, discomfort, and predicament, and the mental state alters. It's not just about taking away the senses, like sight and sound. Even if we talk about things like solitary confinement, THINK about what happens regularly. People can figure out the concept of time based on when meals show up. That can be changed. Do they know how often they relieve themselves? If I alter their diet with something as simple as more sodium, I'm screwing with your 'normal' routine of how frequently you urinate. Removing concentration is a key to this. Easily done by making the subject hungry, sleepy, or cold. An overly tired person will react to room temperature differently than one who is well rested. Even the simplest things like sleep deprivation, the chewing reflex, etc, will change perception. If I can change your perception of reality, I've changed your ACTUAL reality, as you interpret it.

DocStrange -> RE: Awesome scene lined up (8/2/2017 4:14:58 PM)
I wanted touch on something UllrsIstar spoke about. She experienced the “fight or flight” (FOF) response of the body perceiving it was in danger. Another person posted it was the right thing to do was to leave. UllrsIstar responded saying it was not the right to do. I agree with UllrsIstar to this point but I want to point out why. When the body’s “fight or flight” response kicks in it changes the body not just mentally but physically also. Adrenaline, noradrenaline and cortisol are released into the blood stream. This prepares the body for fight or flight. Blood is diverted from the intestinal track to the muscles, pupils dilate, time slows down and the mind become very focused. This served the caveman well for survival back in primitive days. In the days of the caveman, the FOF response was counteracted by physical activity. The act of running or fighting, the high physical activity metabolizes the hormones released and returns the individual to a state of calm. In modern times the fight or flight response can put us in danger. The FOF response often causes the rational mind to be bypassed. In the case of modern day stress or the example UllrsIstar gave the FOF can be triggered, but the person is not able to exert the physical activity to counter act the body's FOF response. This leads the person to become aggressive, over reactive, hypersensitive which can put them in more danger especially in public. Dr. Neil writes a great article on this. I would suggest reading it. Dr. Neil on Fight or Flight Response

UllrsIshtar -> RE: Awesome scene lined up (8/2/2017 5:14:29 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: DocStrange I wanted touch on something UllrsIstar spoke about. She experienced the “fight or flight” (FOF) response of the body perceiving it was in danger. Another person posted it was the right thing to do was to leave. UllrsIstar responded saying it was not the right to do. I agree with UllrsIstar to this point but I want to point out why. When the body’s “fight or flight” response kicks in it changes the body not just mentally but physically also. Adrenaline, noradrenaline and cortisol are released into the blood stream. This prepares the body for fight or flight. Blood is diverted from the intestinal track to the muscles, pupils dilate, time slows down and the mind become very focused. This served the caveman well for survival back in primitive days. In the days of the caveman, the FOF response was counteracted by physical activity. The act of running or fighting, the high physical activity metabolizes the hormones released and returns the individual to a state of calm. In modern times the fight or flight response can put us in danger. The FOF response often causes the rational mind to be bypassed. In the case of modern day stress or the example UllrsIstar gave the FOF can be triggered, but the person is not able to exert the physical activity to counter act the body's FOF response. This leads the person to become aggressive, over reactive, hypersensitive which can put them in more danger especially in public. Dr. Neil writes a great article on this. I would suggest reading it. Dr. Neil on Fight or Flight Response I agree and endorse all of this all of this. You are 100% correct and I believe that when a bottom is in FoF, you shouldn't let them leave, but help them calm down. However... (and this isn't relevant to anything you said, it's just an aside... so people the following has no impact to anything DocStrange said!!!)... I get to the point of FoF quite often during my play. In fact, it's a state I push for on purpose, and it happened at various points during my week with my captor. I'm familiar with the state, and how it feels, and how to deal with it. What happened this time wasn't FoF. Instead I think I experienced an episode of psychological decompensation, and had what basically amounted to a minor psychotic break. I think that the decompensation was caused, at least in part, by the fact that I suffered various FoF reactions that day (and the prior days) for which I had no physical outlets... other triggers included active sensory deprivation, sleep deprivation, freshly being tortured (and accompanying hormone flood), as well as being on half rations calorie wise for a week. Basically I reached a point where I could no longer process what I was experiencing, and suffered temporary psychosis as a result. Which is different from a FoF, because FoF isn't the result of being unable to process an event, but rather one of going into hyper-processing as a method of protecting yourself against the current event. The hyper focus that's so typical with FoF was completely absent for me, I was instead very unfocused and scattered, I was sluggish, dull, and passive, had problems with short term memory, and trouble with physical coordination. Oh, and I was very very itchy for some reason. [:D] So totally agree with you... but that's not what happened. [;)]

UllrsIshtar -> RE: Awesome scene lined up (8/2/2017 5:23:36 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: LadyPact I contacted Ullr about sending a note a couple of days after you had processed but since you are being so forth-coming on the thread, I figured this will do. No need to lighten up. I'm fine. I've been fully back into pestering Ullr to do it again for 48 hours now. [:D] quote: ORIGINAL: LadyPact From the top side, having participated in these types of things on a small scale, one of my primary goals is to make the subject lose their concept of time. Remove the 'normal' instances that a person associates with time and you can manage to distort them. Increase this effect with pain, discomfort, and predicament, and the mental state alters. It's not just about taking away the senses, like sight and sound. Even if we talk about things like solitary confinement, THINK about what happens regularly. People can figure out the concept of time based on when meals show up. That can be changed. Do they know how often they relieve themselves? If I alter their diet with something as simple as more sodium, I'm screwing with your 'normal' routine of how frequently you urinate. My captor fucked with my sense of time too. I had no idea what time it was ever (though once I managed to see a clock on his laptop while he was setting up the raspberry pi to torture me with (score!)), although I did manage to keep pretty good track of what day it was, by various means. It was getting harder to do so though, so I'm sure that after several weeks, I would have gotten to the point that I was a day off. My captor took advantage of messing with my time sense by means of the fact that I slept a lot. I basically fell into a routine of "torture -> nap -> torture -> nap" and the problem with that is that you don't really know how long a nap is. Did I sleep for 30 minutes? 2 hours? 8 hours? Is it morning now? Or still night time? That combined with the fact that I regularly spend periods alone long enough that they could have been "overnight while captor is sleeping" made it quite hard to keep track of time. quote: ORIGINAL: LadyPact Removing concentration is a key to this. Easily done by making the subject hungry, sleepy, or cold. An overly tired person will react to room temperature differently than one who is well rested. Even the simplest things like sleep deprivation, the chewing reflex, etc, will change perception. If I can change your perception of reality, I've changed your ACTUAL reality, as you interpret it. Yeah I figured out I hate being cold enough that it's now officially a hard limit with anybody but Ullr. Like seriously... if I'm every interviewing a different dude to set this up with, part of the questions/negotiations will be: how will you ensure a constant room temperature of 75F? [:D]

ThatDizzyChick -> RE: Awesome scene lined up (8/2/2017 6:28:14 PM)
quote: My captor fucked with my sense of time too. That is something I couldn't deal with.

tamaka -> RE: Awesome scene lined up (8/2/2017 6:33:58 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: ThatDizzyChick quote: My captor fucked with my sense of time too. That is something I couldn't deal with. When you are totally broken, time has no meaning anymore.

ThatDizzyChick -> RE: Awesome scene lined up (8/2/2017 6:45:18 PM)
I ain't broken

tamaka -> RE: Awesome scene lined up (8/2/2017 6:47:15 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: ThatDizzyChick I ain't broken I'm just saying if you were, time wouldn't even matter to you anymore. In some ways, it is freeing.

ThatDizzyChick -> RE: Awesome scene lined up (8/2/2017 6:49:04 PM)
Not for me it wouldn't be.

tamaka -> RE: Awesome scene lined up (8/2/2017 6:50:53 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: ThatDizzyChick Not for me it wouldn't be. Well it would be because you wouldn't care about such things anymore. They become a blur... unimportant. You don't measure your life in terms of things like 'time' anymore.

ThatDizzyChick -> RE: Awesome scene lined up (8/2/2017 6:52:45 PM)
Maybe for you, but not for me. time is central to my experience of living. Losing track of when it is would induce a major panic response in me.

tamaka -> RE: Awesome scene lined up (8/2/2017 6:55:52 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: ThatDizzyChick Maybe for you, but not for me. time is central to my experience of living. Losing track of when it is would induce a major panic response in me. Yes well if it happened, you wouldn't even realize it.

LadyPact -> RE: Awesome scene lined up (8/2/2017 9:27:02 PM)
I was going to do so quotes but I decided to skip it. One of the reasons that I wouldn't talk to Ishtar about the specifics about what I would do is because I didn't want to give anything away. This was before I knew about plans. What's one of the first things she told you? "I don't know the duration of the imprisonment... All I know is that it'll be between 1 week, and 6 months." She knew, specifically, that there would be an end. Just make it this long. Endure the situation for this much time. It will end in this many minutes, hours, days. From the captor's perspective, that is EXACTLY why you want to screw with the subject's concept of time. They lose the concept of when it will be over. Take "the end" away. Remove their perception of release.

tamaka -> RE: Awesome scene lined up (8/2/2017 9:49:24 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: LadyPact I was going to do so quotes but I decided to skip it. One of the reasons that I wouldn't talk to Ishtar about the specifics about what I would do is because I didn't want to give anything away. This was before I knew about plans. What's one of the first things she told you? "I don't know the duration of the imprisonment... All I know is that it'll be between 1 week, and 6 months." She knew, specifically, that there would be an end. Just make it this long. Endure the situation for this much time. It will end in this many minutes, hours, days. From the captor's perspective, that is EXACTLY why you want to screw with the subject's concept of time. They lose the concept of when it will be over. Take "the end" away. Remove their perception of release. Yes i can see how they would want to try to do that. Truth is though, all of these things are really just a test of endurance. The main thing that is needed for it to be real (at least imo) is that it is. Her mindset would be in a totally different place if there was no 'plan', there was no husband overseeing everything, there was no 'home' to go back to, etc. In some ways sure, it's an interesting endurance experience but it is not real psychologically. That changes everything.

LadyPact -> RE: Awesome scene lined up (8/2/2017 10:06:23 PM)
How would a person know they had a "home" to go back to?

tamaka -> RE: Awesome scene lined up (8/2/2017 10:15:21 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: LadyPact How would a person know they had a "home" to go back to? She knew when it was over, she would return to her husband, stepkids, slavegirl, etc. That's what i meant.

ThatDizzyChick -> RE: Awesome scene lined up (8/2/2017 10:19:57 PM)
Oh fuck off with your sublier than thou because I am broken bullshit.

tamaka -> RE: Awesome scene lined up (8/2/2017 10:23:29 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: ThatDizzyChick Oh fuck off with your sublier than thou because I am broken bullshit. Sure. Because you don't want to hear it? It has nothing to do with being 'subbier'. We are talking beyond the scope of what a 'sub' is now.

LadyPact -> RE: Awesome scene lined up (8/2/2017 10:26:21 PM)
Well, she did because her husband had arranged this whole thing.

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