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ThatDizzyChick -> RE: Awesome scene lined up (8/6/2017 6:25:52 PM)

Oh go fuck yourself you pathetic dick-witted drunkard. You know shit.




WickedsDesire -> RE: Awesome scene lined up (8/6/2017 6:50:34 PM)

Stone cold sober married horrific attention starved mutt (you may call fake – woof woof)
One of us is true and one of is a married woof woof mutt

Or are you a dumb married crack whore ugly lying cunt nutter bitch with zero reality and off your head on shrooms – show your self – that is fair – married liar,,,but there are few of reality on here…save I shall we skype married liar?






CaptiveControl -> RE: Awesome scene lined up (8/7/2017 1:10:58 AM)

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ORIGINAL: tamaka
What if she had a stroke? How would you know? What would you do?


One of my process improvements I've taken away from this experience is to make an actual checklist for evaluating the condition of my captive. When I went in to check on Ishtar, I usually checked her hands and feet for circulation, manhandled the parts of her that were causing pain (shoulders mostly) to see if her reactions to it were getting worse, etc... But I didn't check everything every time. It's not a great strategy, relying on memory to check on her, and which things to check, especially when I'm sometimes very tired but going in to pay her a 'visit' at 4am to keep her time sense confused.

For my next captive I'll have a checklist, and I'll work my way down the list when I check on her. One of the items I've already decided on is a pupil dilation test (when the doctor shines a bright light in your eye), which will detect most kinds of strokes. I wasn't worried about stroke, I was doing this in response to Ishtar's vision issue, it's just a coincidence that I already planned this and you asked about a stroke.

This checklist, and this test on the checklist, will address some issues. But it doesn't (I think) address the real meat of your question, which I'll rephrase as, "what if she suffers some catastrophic but hard-to-detect injury?"

If I am certain she is injured, then I will call an ambulance. If I'm not certain she's injured, but she is acting strangely enough that I'm worried, then I will call her husband, discuss with him, and then probably call an ambulance. One of the things that makes Ishtar a great captive is the fact that her husband is available. If I had another captive without a safety contact like this, then it would come down to purely my judgement as to whether/when I would call the ambulance, whether I would give her a day to see if she recovers on her own, etc.

I *really* don't want to injure my captives. I want them to return for future sentences (I'm hoping there's an absolutely terrible recidivism rate for inmates in my prison). I want to use them as references for other candidates.

But, I'm not running a health spa. I'm running a kinky torture prison. There is a risk of injury, including death. To pretend otherwise is foolish.

Ishtar knew this coming in, she explicitly stated it in her consent video. She entered my prison cell knowing that she was risking her life. I put her in a discipline hood with a pencil-sized hole to breathe through, and left her bound that way for the night, knowing that I was risking a manslaughter charge or worse. You'll have to take me at my word that the thought of long-term imprisonment invokes dread and horror that is much stronger than it is for most people. It's a core part of what makes me me.

She has no wish to die, and I have no wish to go to prison. Yet, we still did this. Why? Because we wanted to, despite the risks. It's as simple as that.

She risked her health and her life, entering my prison. I risked her health, her life, and my freedom... And we're both looking forward to doing it again.






UllrsIshtar -> RE: Awesome scene lined up (8/7/2017 7:59:30 AM)

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ORIGINAL: CaptiveControl

I put her in a discipline hood with a pencil-sized hole to breathe through, and left her bound that way for the night, knowing that I was risking a manslaughter charge or worse.


Hey, wait, no... we didn't do that one overnight. Did we? The times I was in it wasn't overnight... was it?
I mean, I've been wanting to try it overnight, and you wanted to try it overnight, but when we did it didn't work out and we only ended up using it day time periods... didn't we?

*wanders away incredibly confused*




tamaka -> RE: Awesome scene lined up (8/7/2017 8:53:56 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: CaptiveControl

quote:

ORIGINAL: tamaka
What if she had a stroke? How would you know? What would you do?


One of my process improvements I've taken away from this experience is to make an actual checklist for evaluating the condition of my captive. When I went in to check on Ishtar, I usually checked her hands and feet for circulation, manhandled the parts of her that were causing pain (shoulders mostly) to see if her reactions to it were getting worse, etc... But I didn't check everything every time. It's not a great strategy, relying on memory to check on her, and which things to check, especially when I'm sometimes very tired but going in to pay her a 'visit' at 4am to keep her time sense confused.

For my next captive I'll have a checklist, and I'll work my way down the list when I check on her. One of the items I've already decided on is a pupil dilation test (when the doctor shines a bright light in your eye), which will detect most kinds of strokes. I wasn't worried about stroke, I was doing this in response to Ishtar's vision issue, it's just a coincidence that I already planned this and you asked about a stroke.

This checklist, and this test on the checklist, will address some issues. But it doesn't (I think) address the real meat of your question, which I'll rephrase as, "what if she suffers some catastrophic but hard-to-detect injury?"

If I am certain she is injured, then I will call an ambulance. If I'm not certain she's injured, but she is acting strangely enough that I'm worried, then I will call her husband, discuss with him, and then probably call an ambulance. One of the things that makes Ishtar a great captive is the fact that her husband is available. If I had another captive without a safety contact like this, then it would come down to purely my judgement as to whether/when I would call the ambulance, whether I would give her a day to see if she recovers on her own, etc.

I *really* don't want to injure my captives. I want them to return for future sentences (I'm hoping there's an absolutely terrible recidivism rate for inmates in my prison). I want to use them as references for other candidates.

But, I'm not running a health spa. I'm running a kinky torture prison. There is a risk of injury, including death. To pretend otherwise is foolish.

Ishtar knew this coming in, she explicitly stated it in her consent video. She entered my prison cell knowing that she was risking her life. I put her in a discipline hood with a pencil-sized hole to breathe through, and left her bound that way for the night, knowing that I was risking a manslaughter charge or worse. You'll have to take me at my word that the thought of long-term imprisonment invokes dread and horror that is much stronger than it is for most people. It's a core part of what makes me me.

She has no wish to die, and I have no wish to go to prison. Yet, we still did this. Why? Because we wanted to, despite the risks. It's as simple as that.

She risked her health and her life, entering my prison. I risked her health, her life, and my freedom... And we're both looking forward to doing it again.





I hope Ullr is open to going to prison with you. Because he would.




LadyPact -> RE: Awesome scene lined up (8/7/2017 9:51:46 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: CaptiveControl
One of my process improvements I've taken away from this experience is to make an actual checklist for evaluating the condition of my captive. When I went in to check on Ishtar, I usually checked her hands and feet for circulation, manhandled the parts of her that were causing pain (shoulders mostly) to see if her reactions to it were getting worse, etc... But I didn't check everything every time. It's not a great strategy, relying on memory to check on her, and which things to check, especially when I'm sometimes very tired but going in to pay her a 'visit' at 4am to keep her time sense confused.

For my next captive I'll have a checklist, and I'll work my way down the list when I check on her. One of the items I've already decided on is a pupil dilation test (when the doctor shines a bright light in your eye), which will detect most kinds of strokes. I wasn't worried about stroke, I was doing this in response to Ishtar's vision issue, it's just a coincidence that I already planned this and you asked about a stroke.

Personally, I think a checklist is an excellent idea. It wouldn't have to be terribly extensive but it would be a reminder of basics.

quote:

This checklist, and this test on the checklist, will address some issues. But it doesn't (I think) address the real meat of your question, which I'll rephrase as, "what if she suffers some catastrophic but hard-to-detect injury?"

If I am certain she is injured, then I will call an ambulance. If I'm not certain she's injured, but she is acting strangely enough that I'm worried, then I will call her husband, discuss with him, and then probably call an ambulance. One of the things that makes Ishtar a great captive is the fact that her husband is available. If I had another captive without a safety contact like this, then it would come down to purely my judgement as to whether/when I would call the ambulance, whether I would give her a day to see if she recovers on her own, etc.

In my limited experience in this matter, the above is my preference. When a person has a significant other, they are an excellent resource for planning, negotiation, and feedback. Much better than if you are trying to interact only with the subject, themselves.

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I *really* don't want to injure my captives. I want them to return for future sentences (I'm hoping there's an absolutely terrible recidivism rate for inmates in my prison). I want to use them as references for other candidates.

I do have some curiosity questions for you at the end of this *if* you feel it wouldn't impact a future encounter with Ishtar of the same sort. As I've told Ishtar prior, I don't want to be responsible for anything on the thread that would give anything away. (With Ishtar especially, you really don't want her having too much information that she could use to her advantage.)

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But, I'm not running a health spa. I'm running a kinky torture prison. There is a risk of injury, including death. To pretend otherwise is foolish.

This sentence was why I wanted to bounce off of your comments. I'm not going to say anything derogatory. Just going to make a point.

The term is Risk AWARE Consensual Kink. Not Risk ABSENT Consensual Kink.

quote:

Ishtar knew this coming in, she explicitly stated it in her consent video. She entered my prison cell knowing that she was risking her life. I put her in a discipline hood with a pencil-sized hole to breathe through, and left her bound that way for the night, knowing that I was risking a manslaughter charge or worse. You'll have to take me at my word that the thought of long-term imprisonment invokes dread and horror that is much stronger than it is for most people. It's a core part of what makes me me.

LOL.

I keep telling people that orange really isn't the new black.

Bondage, electricity, fire, sensory dep, mummification, fear play, face slapping, wax, sharps, whips, chocking, sounds, fear, etc, etc, etc...

quote:

She has no wish to die, and I have no wish to go to prison. Yet, we still did this. Why? Because we wanted to, despite the risks. It's as simple as that.

To me, this is about assessing and mitigating risks.


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She risked her health and her life, entering my prison. I risked her health, her life, and my freedom... And we're both looking forward to doing it again.

First, I want to say thank you for participating on this thread.

Since the thread's inception, I've been looking at this from the captor's point of view. Especially about the layout of the house, the risks involved, etc. With this in mind, I looked at it from my perspective.

After this experience, have you considered *not* being the only captor? Since the discussion has been about the influence of time distortion, in the future, would you consider additional people in the scenario? I've been the 'fill in' before while the main captor slept. Have you evaluated the possibility?

Travel. I've only done this (as a minor participant) where the logistics were easier. No airports, etc. How did this impact your plans?

Set up. What did it take you to prepare your house to be ready? In this, I'm asking about costs.

The cold. Was the cold intentional or just something you lucked into by circumstance?

Journal. This, I thought, was excellent! Who's idea was this? Did you keep a log of time intervals or specific notations about entries she wrote post activity?

Your own struggle. How would you define your side of Ish wanting release?

After this experience, how do you feel about the circumstances of Ishtar leaving, getting on the plane, no escort, etc? Will this be something you do differently in the future?

With Ishtar's mention of the experience that she had, what will be your criteria for other captives? Do you have certain hard limits that would exclude potential participants? Are there certain people you would blackball immediately due to age, health status, gender, etc?

Thank you for your time and efforts.







CaptiveControl -> RE: Awesome scene lined up (8/7/2017 11:16:20 AM)


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ORIGINAL: UllrsIshtar

quote:

ORIGINAL: CaptiveControl

I put her in a discipline hood with a pencil-sized hole to breathe through, and left her bound that way for the night, knowing that I was risking a manslaughter charge or worse.


Hey, wait, no... we didn't do that one overnight. Did we? The times I was in it wasn't overnight... was it?
I mean, I've been wanting to try it overnight, and you wanted to try it overnight, but when we did it didn't work out and we only ended up using it day time periods... didn't we?

*wanders away incredibly confused*



A slight exaggeration, to say overnight. I just didn't want to clutter my post going into details.

I keep strange hours (often awake until I notice that it's starting to get light out and say, "fuck, I really ought to sleep"). The hood session when you peed yourself happened during what most people would consider nighttime hours (2-6am or so). I did miss the first time you called for me when you peed yourself, because my headphones had run out of power. That's why I bought the baby monitor, as a backup.

This is the one that haunts me the most, the fact that you called for me while the hood was on and I wasn't aware of it. It was 'only' for 15 minutes or so, that the audio was off, but that's long enough for tragedy.

This is why I had such a strong reaction once I understood that you had never previously slept in the isolation hood. Remember, I thought that sleeping in this hood was something you already do sometimes, so I wasn't considering it a major safety risk.

I have a few other process changes related to this specific incident.





UllrsIshtar -> RE: Awesome scene lined up (8/7/2017 11:35:59 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: CaptiveControl

The hood session when you peed yourself happened during what most people would consider nighttime hours (2-6am or so).



I would have bet you a $100 with confidence that it was afternoon/early evening then. [:D]

At least my feeling "that was +/- 5 hours" wasn't too far off. [;)]




UllrsIshtar -> RE: Awesome scene lined up (8/7/2017 11:47:34 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: tamaka

I hope Ullr is open to going to prison with you. Because he would.



Steps have been taken to mitigate the charges against both of them (I'm on record, for example, for having blackmailed Ullr with a divorce into letting me do this... which is true), but yeah, charges would still happen, and they'd still both do time.

As far as Ullr and me goes, that's pretty much common. Just last night while engaging in breath play during sex that in the heat of the moment went a little further than Ullr realized at the time, he expressed his concern about him accidentally pushing it too far.

If told him:

"If you do it's not my problem, but please always remember that I won't blame you, and so there is no need for feelings of guilt. Just dispose of the body and try not to get caught."

That's pretty much how I play with people I trust... I'm not right in the head...




tamaka -> RE: Awesome scene lined up (8/7/2017 11:56:31 AM)

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ORIGINAL: UllrsIshtar


quote:

ORIGINAL: tamaka

I hope Ullr is open to going to prison with you. Because he would.



Steps have been taken to mitigate the charges against both of them (I'm on record, for example, for having blackmailed Ullr with a divorce into letting me do this... which is true), but yeah, charges would still happen, and they'd still both do time.

As far as Ullr and me goes, that's pretty much common. Just last night while engaging in breath play during sex that in the heat of the moment went a little further than Ullr realized at the time, he expressed his concern about him accidentally pushing it too far.

If told him:

"If you do it's not my problem, but please always remember that I won't blame you, and so there is no need for feelings of guilt. Just dispose of the body and try not to get caught."

That's pretty much how I play with people I trust... I'm not right in the head...


No you're not. You need some serious psychotherapy.




UllrsIshtar -> RE: Awesome scene lined up (8/7/2017 12:05:57 PM)


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ORIGINAL: LadyPact

Set up. What did it take you to prepare your house to be ready? In this, I'm asking about costs.



Waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay too fucking much money.

Cage itself, electronic and other computer toys... and what I'd guess was a couple thousand dollars in steel pipe for bondage furniture like this* (not me, I didn't have a bed that comfy) bought from here (that stuff is surprisingly expensive... if anybody has a cheaper sources plz let me know). Including rush shipping, because I was driving Ullr mad in anticipation and he wanted me out of the house sooner than the stuff would otherwise be delivered. And that doesn't include any of the other side stuff, in terms of toys, camera, tools bought to build the cage with, etc, etc.

Keeper isn't one to brag himself, so I'll do it for him: I'd guess that this one scene cost more than most people's entire toy collection, with an order of magnitude of difference.
Of course, lots of that expense is transferable to the next scene, and the next one too (once you got a girl captive and are barely feeding her, she's really not that expensive to keep, aside maybe in cat litter). But the amount spent to make this first time happening was staggering.

Of course... out of the 200 or so guys who mailed me on my captivity profile willing to do this scene with me, one of the reasons I picked Keeper and not another one is because he had the means and willingness to spend the money needed to pull this off. So I basically shamelessly objectified him into being my kinky sugar dadddy/sex object (he doesn't seem to mind).



*That's greyhound, from https://www.bondagelife.com/life/, check her out too, she's awesome!






UllrsIshtar -> RE: Awesome scene lined up (8/7/2017 12:19:25 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: tamaka

No you're not. You need some serious psychotherapy.


Been there. Done that. It doesn't help.

All my therapistS were able to conclude in the end was that if I was into base jumping, or motorcycle racing, or airplane stunt flying, or into setting world records by making motorcycle jumps over stuff, or into unaided free diving, all these drives of mine would be socially acceptable.
If I was into mainstream stuff, people would accept that I risked my life every single time I went out to practice my 'hobby'.

The conclusion was reached that, seeing that I do as much as I can to mitigate the risks beforehand (I check my parachute 3 times, do the math on the angle of my ramp, build up to diving deeper) what I'm doing isn't any different from other people seeking thrills in other ways, and that I don't have a deathwish, I'm not looking to die, and what I'm doing isn't unhealthy ipso facto.

Evel Knievel suffered 433 broken bones for his passions. So far, after a decade and a half of cautiously ramping up the intensity, to see where I can go, the injuries I've suffered which took more than a 2 weeks to heal (including bruises, etc) can be counted on one hand.
I think I'm doing pretty well.

One day my parachute may not open. I might miss my jump, fall down the canyon and break my neck.
I'm aware of this. So are the people who play with me.

Therapy says that it is just how I'm wired, and there's no fixing that... the drive to push myself could only be transferred over to more main stream pursuits (cause ya know... I also para-jump, dive, and ride motor cycles, among other dangerous hobbies).

BTW, statistically speaking I'm much more likely to die from riding my motorcycle the way I do (I usually at least double speed limits on canyon turns) than I am likely to die from Keeper or Ullr killing me... especially seeing that they're both waaaaaaaaaaaay more cautious than I am. [:D]




tamaka -> RE: Awesome scene lined up (8/7/2017 12:39:42 PM)

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ORIGINAL: UllrsIshtar


quote:

ORIGINAL: tamaka

No you're not. You need some serious psychotherapy.


Been there. Done that. It doesn't help.

All my therapistS were able to conclude in the end was that if I was into base jumping, or motorcycle racing, or airplane stunt flying, or into setting world records by making motorcycle jumps over stuff, or into unaided free diving, all these drives of mine would be socially acceptable.
If I was into mainstream stuff, people would accept that I risked my life every single time I went out to practice my 'hobby'.

The conclusion was reached that, seeing that I do as much as I can to mitigate the risks beforehand (I check my parachute 3 times, do the math on the angle of my ramp, build up to diving deeper) what I'm doing isn't any different from other people seeking thrills in other ways, and that I don't have a deathwish, I'm not looking to die, and what I'm doing isn't unhealthy ipso facto.

Evel Knievel suffered 433 broken bones for his passions. So far, after a decade and a half of cautiously ramping up the intensity, to see where I can go, the injuries I've suffered which took more than a 2 weeks to heal (including bruises, etc) can be counted on one hand.
I think I'm doing pretty well.

One day my parachute may not open. I might miss my jump, fall down the canyon and break my neck.
I'm aware of this. So are the people who play with me.

Therapy says that it is just how I'm wired, and there's no fixing that... the drive to push myself could only be transferred over to more main stream pursuits (cause ya know... I also para-jump, dive, and ride motor cycles, among other dangerous hobbies).

BTW, statistically speaking I'm much more likely to die from riding my motorcycle the way I do (I usually at least double speed limits on canyon turns) than I am likely to die from Keeper or Ullr killing me... especially seeing that they're both waaaaaaaaaaaay more cautious than I am. [:D]



: ) Yes those motorcycles definitely are deathtraps on wheels. I feel only slightly safer with my Master driving his Audi TT convertible without a seatbelt on. Breathplay or drive? Both seem equally dangerous to me.




UllrsIshtar -> RE: Awesome scene lined up (8/7/2017 1:22:07 PM)


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ORIGINAL: tamaka

Breathplay or drive? Both seem equally dangerous to me.


Yet nobody tells me I need therapy when I risk my life on my bike. In fact, when they accuse me of being crazy because of how I ride, it's always with an edge of admiration in their voice.

But they do think I need therapy when I risk my life to get laid, even when I like sex a whole lot better than shooting around on two wheels.
As far as I'm concerned, the difference is a social issue. Not an Ishtar issue.




tamaka -> RE: Awesome scene lined up (8/7/2017 1:32:18 PM)


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ORIGINAL: UllrsIshtar


quote:

ORIGINAL: tamaka

Breathplay or drive? Both seem equally dangerous to me.


Yet nobody tells me I need therapy when I risk my life on my bike. In fact, when they accuse me of being crazy because of how I ride, it's always with an edge of admiration in their voice.

But they do think I need therapy when I risk my life to get laid, even when I like sex a whole lot better than shooting around on two wheels.
As far as I'm concerned, the difference is a social issue. Not an Ishtar issue.


Yes... you're right. (As usual...lol)




UllrsIshtar -> RE: Awesome scene lined up (8/7/2017 3:22:31 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: LadyPact

The cold. Was the cold intentional or just something you lucked into by circumstance?



It was accidental. And I want to state for the record that it really WASN'T at all cold. It was low room temperature. I just was naked, unable to move to generate heat, attached to several heat sinks AND I found out that I apparently have a unusually big intolerance for being cold.

In fact, my intolerance for being cold is so great that it's currently added to my Hard Limit list with third parties, possibly indefinitely, but at least until after it's fully explored with Ullr.

quote:

ORIGINAL: LadyPact

Journal. This, I thought, was excellent! Who's idea was this?




My idea. I was afraid my memory wouldn't be good enough after long periods (turns out I was 100% right). Cali was very interested in the idea, because it would give him a grasp on my mindset during the event, without having to check in with me. I got his permission to write it quite easily.

You should have seen his face when he realized the first journal was entirely in Flemish. [:D]

Not only was it in Flemish, I also wrote it in a dialect, and added deliberate misspellings, so that an online translator would be useless. [:D]




JstAnotherSub -> RE: Awesome scene lined up (8/7/2017 4:27:52 PM)


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ORIGINAL: LadyPact

You're not getting this in the least, are you?



exactly




JstAnotherSub -> RE: Awesome scene lined up (8/7/2017 4:40:42 PM)

Thank you for sharing this experience with us.




ThatDizzyChick -> RE: Awesome scene lined up (8/7/2017 7:43:11 PM)

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No you're not. You need some serious psychotherapy.

Now that's some serious irony coming from you.




ThatDizzyChick -> RE: Awesome scene lined up (8/7/2017 7:45:46 PM)

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As far as I'm concerned, the difference is a social issue. Not an Ishtar issue.

And you are completely correct in that assessment. Just look at how tamaka, usually Little Miss Slavier than Thou, is reacting.




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