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MrRodgers -> XL Keystone pipeline, stopped...by the market. (7/18/2017 8:28:41 PM)

For the last 10 years, controversy has plagued TransCanada Corporation's Keystone XL crude oil pipeline. Regulatory roadblocks, protesters and President Obama are just a few of the obstacles that delayed the construction of the northern leg of the project.

Then the election of Donald Trump signaled a change...

One of Trump's first moves as president was to approve the Keystone XL. Now the only thing TransCanada needs is approval from the Nebraska legislature.

But that may be a moot point...

Change of Plans ?

The biggest problem for TransCanada's Keystone XL pipeline is no longer politics. It's business.

While construction of the northern extension continued getting delayed, potential customers for the Keystone XL pipeline were making other plans to ship their crude.

As it turns out, Keystone XL isn't the only game in town. There are other firms building pipelines from the Alberta oil fields to the U.S.

To name a few...

Kinder Morgan's Trans Mountain pipeline has plans to increase capacity from 300,000 barrels per day to 890,000 bpd. Estimated completion: 2020.

Enbridge's Line 3 Replacement pipeline will boost capacity to 760,000 bpd by replacing an older, smaller line. Estimated completion: 2019.

TransCanada's Energy East pipeline would extend from Alberta to Saint John, Nova Scotia. It's currently a natural gas pipeline and will need to be converted for crude. Estimated completion: 2021.
All of the above projects are already underway. That's not good news for TransCanada.

With all the delays, TransCanada now estimates the earliest completion of the Keystone XL to be between 2020 and 2021. And it wants 90% of its capacity of 830,000 bpd to be under contract before it proceeds.

And the money clock is ticking. Delays have kicked the price up by $1 billion.

It's now expected to cost $8 billion. Keystone took a $2 billion write-down in 2016 related to the Keystone XL.

But oil is cheaper now. The 'Cheap Oil Effect' ...deflating.

Back in 2008, oil jumped above $130 per barrel. Producers couldn't pump it fast enough.

And refiners wanted multiple, steady supplies. The Keystone XL made sense.

But with oil selling for $45 per barrel, that's no longer the case.

Plus, American shale drillers are pumping as much as they can. That's a problem for Canadian heavy crude producers who simply can't match the price of the light, sweet crude pumped by U.S. shale producers.

There's another problem with oil extracted from Canada's tar sands. Unlike the U.S., Canada is committed to reducing carbon emissions.

The Canadian government is expected to hit the oil sands industry with tougher regulations regarding greenhouse gas emissions. That's a big flashing red light against signing any long-term contracts for oil.

There's also the fact that pipelines aren't the only way of getting Canadian crude to U.S. refiners. While shipping crude by rail costs $2 to $8 per barrel more than shipping via pipeline, it doesn't require a long-term contract.

Repercussions for investors ? TransCanada believes demand for Keystone XL capacity will materialize. I don't believe it will.

But the long-term trend for oil demand is flattening and will eventually slow. Electric vehicles and fuel efficiency regulations will curb the demand for crude.

Even TransCanada is hedging its bets. It's jumping into natural gas in a big way. Its natural gas pipeline business continues to grow. The company recently expanded natural gas service to Mexico.

How would the failure of the Keystone XL pipeline affect TransCanada as a potential investment? The short answer is "Not much."

TransCanada's recent purchase of the Columbia Pipeline Group for $10 billion signals its commitment to move into natural gas. It plans to build natural gas pipelines to serve the growing Mexican market.

Oil is on the way out, and natural gas continues to grow, which big companies like TransCanada are aware of. Investors need to position their portfolios accordingly.

Keystone XL Pipeline Map: HERE




servantforuse -> RE: XL Keystone pipeline, stopped...by the market. (7/18/2017 10:26:37 PM)

You said it yourself. XL isn't the only game in town. These companies, all of them including the one building the XL are doing so because they think they can make money. Maybe they will, maybe they won't. If you haven't invested in them, why would you care either way?




Hillwilliam -> RE: XL Keystone pipeline, stopped...by the market. (7/19/2017 2:24:50 AM)

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ORIGINAL: servantforuse

You said it yourself. XL isn't the only game in town. These companies, all of them including the one building the XL are doing so because they think they can make money. Maybe they will, maybe they won't. If you haven't invested in them, why would you care either way?

You don't care because you're a Republican, not a Conservative.

If there were any Conservatives in Congress, it would have been killed over a decade ago.
Yaknow, Conservatives as in "People who give a flying fuck about the Constitution" as opposed to Republicans as in "Corporate Whores who will willingly wipe their ass with all parts of the Constitution except Amendment 2".
The Fifth Amendment to the Constitution requires that the taking be for a "public use" and mandates payment of "just compensation" to the owner

Now, pray tell, just how the fuck is confiscation of the property of American citizens and turning it over to a FOREIGN company so a product can be prepared for export and shipped who the fuck knows where going to qualify as 'public use'?
Oh sure, it will help those who have investments in said FOREIGN corporation but other than that, it is just government confiscation and overreach.

It took a damn Liberal to do a job the Conservatives (if there were any left) should have done before most of you ignoranti had even heard of Kenya.




Musicmystery -> RE: XL Keystone pipeline, stopped...by the market. (7/19/2017 4:31:55 AM)


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ORIGINAL: servantforuse

You said it yourself. XL isn't the only game in town. These companies, all of them including the one building the XL are doing so because they think they can make money. Maybe they will, maybe they won't. If you haven't invested in them, why would you care either way?

Are you honestly this dense?




BoscoX -> RE: XL Keystone pipeline, stopped...by the market. (7/19/2017 7:04:24 AM)



The oil will be there when we are ready for it, and the pipeline that's built will be there too.

So much for the hysterical leftists who preach that the end of oil is nigh. There is so much that we have the luxury of picking and choosing what particular oil we want to use




BoscoX -> RE: XL Keystone pipeline, stopped...by the market. (7/19/2017 7:05:35 AM)


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ORIGINAL: Hillwilliam

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ORIGINAL: servantforuse

You said it yourself. XL isn't the only game in town. These companies, all of them including the one building the XL are doing so because they think they can make money. Maybe they will, maybe they won't. If you haven't invested in them, why would you care either way?

You don't care because you're a Republican, not a Conservative.

If there were any Conservatives in Congress, it would have been killed over a decade ago.
Yaknow, Conservatives as in "People who give a flying fuck about the Constitution" as opposed to Republicans as in "Corporate Whores who will willingly wipe their ass with all parts of the Constitution except Amendment 2".
The Fifth Amendment to the Constitution requires that the taking be for a "public use" and mandates payment of "just compensation" to the owner

Now, pray tell, just how the fuck is confiscation of the property of American citizens and turning it over to a FOREIGN company so a product can be prepared for export and shipped who the fuck knows where going to qualify as 'public use'?
Oh sure, it will help those who have investments in said FOREIGN corporation but other than that, it is just government confiscation and overreach.

It took a damn Liberal to do a job the Conservatives (if there were any left) should have done before most of you ignoranti had even heard of Kenya.


You really are insane, attacking him over something he didn't post about




Hillwilliam -> RE: XL Keystone pipeline, stopped...by the market. (7/19/2017 7:46:19 AM)


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ORIGINAL: BoscoX


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ORIGINAL: Hillwilliam

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ORIGINAL: servantforuse

You said it yourself. XL isn't the only game in town. These companies, all of them including the one building the XL are doing so because they think they can make money. Maybe they will, maybe they won't. If you haven't invested in them, why would you care either way?

You don't care because you're a Republican, not a Conservative.

If there were any Conservatives in Congress, it would have been killed over a decade ago.
Yaknow, Conservatives as in "People who give a flying fuck about the Constitution" as opposed to Republicans as in "Corporate Whores who will willingly wipe their ass with all parts of the Constitution except Amendment 2".
The Fifth Amendment to the Constitution requires that the taking be for a "public use" and mandates payment of "just compensation" to the owner

Now, pray tell, just how the fuck is confiscation of the property of American citizens and turning it over to a FOREIGN company so a product can be prepared for export and shipped who the fuck knows where going to qualify as 'public use'?
Oh sure, it will help those who have investments in said FOREIGN corporation but other than that, it is just government confiscation and overreach.

It took a damn Liberal to do a job the Conservatives (if there were any left) should have done before most of you ignoranti had even heard of Kenya.


You really are insane, attacking him over something he didn't post about

Dance bitch




BoscoX -> RE: XL Keystone pipeline, stopped...by the market. (7/19/2017 7:51:04 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Hillwilliam

Dance bitch


Go upstairs and tell that to your mom [:D]




Hillwilliam -> RE: XL Keystone pipeline, stopped...by the market. (7/19/2017 8:44:26 AM)


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ORIGINAL: BoscoX

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ORIGINAL: Hillwilliam

Dance bitch


Go upstairs and tell that to your mom [:D]

I hit a nerve huh?

DANCE bitch for your OWNER




BoscoX -> RE: XL Keystone pipeline, stopped...by the market. (7/19/2017 9:16:40 AM)


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ORIGINAL: Hillwilliam


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ORIGINAL: BoscoX

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ORIGINAL: Hillwilliam

Dance bitch


Go upstairs and tell that to your mom [:D]

I hit a nerve huh?

DANCE bitch for your OWNER


Sure, idiot - that's why I am laughing at you [:D]




tj444 -> RE: XL Keystone pipeline, stopped...by the market. (7/19/2017 11:22:39 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Hillwilliam

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ORIGINAL: servantforuse

You said it yourself. XL isn't the only game in town. These companies, all of them including the one building the XL are doing so because they think they can make money. Maybe they will, maybe they won't. If you haven't invested in them, why would you care either way?

Now, pray tell, just how the fuck is confiscation of the property of American citizens and turning it over to a FOREIGN company so a product can be prepared for export and shipped who the fuck knows where going to qualify as 'public use'?
Oh sure, it will help those who have investments in said FOREIGN corporation but other than that, it is just government confiscation and overreach.


It took a damn Liberal to do a job the Conservatives (if there were any left) should have done before most of you ignoranti had even heard of Kenya.

More "Blame Canada" BS.. [sm=gaah.gif]

Really? you really believe that TransCanada is a foreign corp? then I got news for you.. (& personally I dont want Keystone, I would rather have pipelines both east & west in Canada)

TransCanada : an "American company"
"Hey, did you think TransCanada, the company intending to extend the Keystone XL pipeline from Hardisty, Alberta to the Free Tariff Zone refineries in Texas, was a Canadian company?
Me too. Must be something about the name. And the fact that articles about TransCanada always refer to it as "Alberta-based".

However TransCanada's own K-XL Know the Facts webpage begs to differ. Debunking the "Myth" that TransCanada is a foreign company operating in the US :

"Like many American companies with operations in Canada, we are incorporated and registered in both Canada and the United States. We currently have 1,631 talented employees in 33 U.S. states. Our U.S. operations are headquartered in Houston and will be responsible for the U.S. construction of Keystone XL.

Our permit does allow us to use eminent domain to acquire an easement and provide compensation for the landowner. We prefer to avoid the use of eminent domain and if we cannot reach an agreement, then we turn to the independent processes/hearings that are established in the local jurisdiction.
""


http://creekside1.blogspot.com/2011/10/transcanada-american-company.html




Hillwilliam -> RE: XL Keystone pipeline, stopped...by the market. (7/19/2017 2:12:57 PM)


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ORIGINAL: BoscoX


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ORIGINAL: Hillwilliam


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ORIGINAL: BoscoX

quote:

ORIGINAL: Hillwilliam

Dance bitch


Go upstairs and tell that to your mom [:D]

I hit a nerve huh?

DANCE bitch for your OWNER


Sure, idiot - that's why I am laughing at you [:D]


I make a post, you answer. Dance bitch. Enjoy your obsession.




BoscoX -> RE: XL Keystone pipeline, stopped...by the market. (7/19/2017 2:18:23 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Hillwilliam

I make a post, you answer.



SURPRISE!!!

That's what people do here, moron boy





Hillwilliam -> RE: XL Keystone pipeline, stopped...by the market. (7/19/2017 2:30:29 PM)


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ORIGINAL: BoscoX

quote:

ORIGINAL: Hillwilliam

I make a post, you answer.



SURPRISE!!!

That's what people do here, moron boy



DANCE bitch




BoscoX -> RE: XL Keystone pipeline, stopped...by the market. (7/19/2017 2:35:54 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Hillwilliam


quote:

ORIGINAL: BoscoX

quote:

ORIGINAL: Hillwilliam

I make a post, you answer.



SURPRISE!!!

That's what people do here, moron boy



DANCE bitch



Go upstairs and try telling that to your mom [:D]




Hillwilliam -> RE: XL Keystone pipeline, stopped...by the market. (7/19/2017 2:38:04 PM)


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ORIGINAL: BoscoX


quote:

ORIGINAL: Hillwilliam


quote:

ORIGINAL: BoscoX

quote:

ORIGINAL: Hillwilliam

I make a post, you answer.



SURPRISE!!!

That's what people do here, moron boy



DANCE bitch



Go upstairs and try telling that to your mom [:D]

Enjoy your obsession bitch. Fuckin Trumpanzee libtard.

DANCE boy




BoscoX -> RE: XL Keystone pipeline, stopped...by the market. (7/19/2017 2:38:56 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Hillwilliam


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ORIGINAL: BoscoX


quote:

ORIGINAL: Hillwilliam


quote:

ORIGINAL: BoscoX

quote:

ORIGINAL: Hillwilliam

I make a post, you answer.



SURPRISE!!!

That's what people do here, moron boy



DANCE bitch



Go upstairs and try telling that to your mom [:D]

Enjoy your obsession bitch. Fuckin Trumpanzee libtard.

DANCE boy


Your buttons are so easy to push

You are owned [:D]




Hillwilliam -> RE: XL Keystone pipeline, stopped...by the market. (7/19/2017 2:40:47 PM)


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ORIGINAL: BoscoX

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ORIGINAL: Hillwilliam


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ORIGINAL: BoscoX


quote:

ORIGINAL: Hillwilliam


quote:

ORIGINAL: BoscoX

quote:

ORIGINAL: Hillwilliam

I make a post, you answer.



SURPRISE!!!

That's what people do here, moron boy



DANCE bitch



Go upstairs and try telling that to your mom [:D]

Enjoy your obsession bitch. Fuckin Trumpanzee libtard.

DANCE boy


Your buttons are so easy to push

You are owned [:D]

You are the owned one cunt


Ready for it



Just a minute


DANCE bitch




BoscoX -> RE: XL Keystone pipeline, stopped...by the market. (7/19/2017 2:42:34 PM)


Seriously - go upstairs and try telling that to your mom [;)]




MrRodgers -> RE: XL Keystone pipeline, stopped...by the market. (7/19/2017 4:32:37 PM)


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ORIGINAL: BoscoX



The oil will be there when we are ready for it, and the pipeline that's built will be there too.

So much for the hysterical leftists who preach that the end of oil is nigh. There is so much that we have the luxury of picking and choosing what particular oil we want to use

After giving it some thought, oil is not out for sure but it is down. Meaning that the increase in the demand for oil, is slowing and in some cases, demand is even falling.

Wherever possible, natural gas is replacing oil.
Cars are going electric at about or before these pipelines are finished and millions more very soon thereafter. (natural gas is booming in elect. prod.)
Every alternative to oil is on the rise.

Scroll down and notice the chart graphically demonstrating that as a percentage of all energy...oil is down and for 12 years now after its short term peak in 2010.

HERE




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