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ORIGINAL: Musicmystery

Why Canada Is Able to Do Things Better

"The United States is falling apart because—unlike Canada and other wealthy countries—the American public sector simply doesn’t have the funds required to keep the nation stitched together. A country where impoverished citizens rely on crowdfunding to finance medical operations isn’t a country that can protect the health of its citizens. A country that can’t ensure the daily operation of Penn Station isn’t a country that can prevent transportation gridlock. A country that contracts out the operations of prisons to the lowest private bidder isn’t a country that can rehabilitate its criminals."

https://www.theatlantic.com/business/archive/2017/07/canada-america-taxes/533847/

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ORIGINAL: tj444
I disagree with the writer's last sentence.. ("But it works for Canada. And it’d work for America too.").. Yes, it works for Canada but it will not work for America... Americans have a different mentality, especially when it comes to taxes.. I have read comments from Americans on how much tax Canadians pay & to them, the tax cost is too high even tho health care is included in it.. (actually, they laugh about the high taxes and & think Canadians are suckers) and too, American politicians spend tax dollars unwisely, which adds to the resistance Americans have to paying more taxes/fees/etc.. They simply dont trust their govt, at all levels.. so no, it won't work in America..
I dont like articles like this, the writers are deluded when they think things like that can work here and Americans certainly dont want to hear that another country is doing better than they are..

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ORIGINAL: tj444

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ORIGINAL: Musicmystery

Why Canada Is Able to Do Things Better

"The United States is falling apart because—unlike Canada and other wealthy countries—the American public sector simply doesn’t have the funds required to keep the nation stitched together. A country where impoverished citizens rely on crowdfunding to finance medical operations isn’t a country that can protect the health of its citizens. A country that can’t ensure the daily operation of Penn Station isn’t a country that can prevent transportation gridlock. A country that contracts out the operations of prisons to the lowest private bidder isn’t a country that can rehabilitate its criminals."

https://www.theatlantic.com/business/archive/2017/07/canada-america-taxes/533847/

I disagree with the writer's last sentence.. ("But it works for Canada. And it’d work for America too.").. Yes, it works for Canada but it will not work for America... Americans have a different mentality, especially when it comes to taxes.. I have read comments from Americans on how much tax Canadians pay & to them, the tax cost is too high even tho health care is included in it.. (actually, they laugh about the high taxes and & think Canadians are suckers) and too, American politicians spend tax dollars unwisely, which adds to the resistance Americans have to paying more taxes/fees/etc.. They simply dont trust their govt, at all levels.. so no, it won't work in America..

I dont like articles like this, the writers are deluded when they think things like that can work here and Americans certainly dont want to hear that another country is doing better than they are..

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ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri

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ORIGINAL: tj444
I disagree with the writer's last sentence.. ("But it works for Canada. And it’d work for America too.").. Yes, it works for Canada but it will not work for America... Americans have a different mentality, especially when it comes to taxes.. I have read comments from Americans on how much tax Canadians pay & to them, the tax cost is too high even tho health care is included in it.. (actually, they laugh about the high taxes and & think Canadians are suckers) and too, American politicians spend tax dollars unwisely, which adds to the resistance Americans have to paying more taxes/fees/etc.. They simply dont trust their govt, at all levels.. so no, it won't work in America..
I dont like articles like this, the writers are deluded when they think things like that can work here and Americans certainly dont want to hear that another country is doing better than they are..

Be careful. You're about to be attacked for those statements. I've said almost all of those same statements (not verbatim; I'm less eloquent than most here), and been attacked for it.

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ORIGINAL: tj444
Canada isnt perfect or utopia, it has flaws & its own problems but I have lived in both countries and seen the differences, pros & cons, seen how both systems work, heard what Americans think (especially about how bad Canadian health care is [8|]).. so this is the conclusion I have come to.. the US really has so much potential but it seems you/your govt keep shooting yourselves in the foot.. The only real solution is to have a bloody revolution and scrap your entire political system, start over with a new political system that truly is "for the people, by the people" and not for/by lobbyists, big corps, the 1% & corrupt politicians.. but I dont ever see that happening.. you will just keep going down the path you are on now..

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It's gonna be interesting to see how 8 years of Trump affects the US.. and yes, I do believe he will be Prez for 2 full terms..

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ORIGINAL: WickedsDesire

Dont see that happening - and i watched heavyblinker try and start a few threads on the American political system too i think it was - only to be met with an astounding silence.

Why wont they change their broken political system is a better question?

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ORIGINAL: WickedsDesire

Dont see that happening - and i watched heavyblinker try and start a few threads on the American political system too i think it was - only to be met with an astounding silence.

Why wont they change their broken political system is a better question?

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ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri

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ORIGINAL: tj444
Canada isnt perfect or utopia, it has flaws & its own problems but I have lived in both countries and seen the differences, pros & cons, seen how both systems work, heard what Americans think (especially about how bad Canadian health care is [8|]).. so this is the conclusion I have come to.. the US really has so much potential but it seems you/your govt keep shooting yourselves in the foot.. The only real solution is to have a bloody revolution and scrap your entire political system, start over with a new political system that truly is "for the people, by the people" and not for/by lobbyists, big corps, the 1% & corrupt politicians.. but I dont ever see that happening.. you will just keep going down the path you are on now..

I certainly hope it doesn't come down to a bloody revolution. That would be an absolutely horrible event, and I'm not even sure there would be much of a "United States" left. There would be one, but it wouldn't be as large, and there would be many states that would go off on their own (likely states like California and Texas come to mind). If we had stuck with a conservative interpretation of the US Constitution, I think we'd still have a government that was "for the people, by the people." But, if Lincoln is any sort of precedent, a revolution would be a bloodbath, and depending on how many in the military defect, a revolution very well might not even be enough to clear the slate.

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It's gonna be interesting to see how 8 years of Trump affects the US.. and yes, I do believe he will be Prez for 2 full terms..

I think that all depends on how well the GOP can coalesce and back him. The Democrats are going to oppose him more than not. I can't see them being much more supportive of Trump than the GOP was of Obama. If Trump and the GOP can't come together, there will be gridlock and Trump won't win a second term. If things are bad enough, he might not even win the GOP nomination.

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ORIGINAL: tj444

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ORIGINAL: WickedsDesire

Dont see that happening - and i watched heavyblinker try and start a few threads on the American political system too i think it was - only to be met with an astounding silence.

Why wont they change their broken political system is a better question?

Because (imo) not enough people feel enough pain yet.. its like anyone who hasn't hit bottom yet, the pain of not changing isn't great enough to endure the pain of change.. most just shrug and say "this is the way it is" and accept it, hold their nose & vote for whoever they think will do the least damage to their present lifestyle.. and keep pushing the consequences down the road to their kids/grand kids/great grand kids..

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ORIGINAL: Musicmystery

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ORIGINAL: tj444

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ORIGINAL: WickedsDesire

Dont see that happening - and i watched heavyblinker try and start a few threads on the American political system too i think it was - only to be met with an astounding silence.

Why wont they change their broken political system is a better question?

Because (imo) not enough people feel enough pain yet.. its like anyone who hasn't hit bottom yet, the pain of not changing isn't great enough to endure the pain of change.. most just shrug and say "this is the way it is" and accept it, hold their nose & vote for whoever they think will do the least damage to their present lifestyle.. and keep pushing the consequences down the road to their kids/grand kids/great grand kids..

Yep