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Real0ne -> Atheists Score Major Win In Federal Court (7/21/2017 11:13:15 PM)

A federal district court in Oregon has declared Secular Humanism [atheism] a religion, paving the way for the non-theistic community to obtain the same legal rights as groups such as Christianity.

On Thursday, October 30, Senior District Judge Ancer Haggerty issued a ruling on American Humanist Association v. United States, a case that was brought by the American Humanist Association (AHA) and Jason Holden, a federal prisoner. Holden pushed for the lawsuit because he wanted Humanism — which the AHA defines as “an ethical and life-affirming philosophy free of belief in any gods and other supernatural forces” — recognized as a religion so that his prison would allow for the creation of a Humanist study group. Haggerty sided with the plaintiffs in his decision, citing existing legal precedent and arguing that denying Humanists the same rights as groups such as Christianity would be highly suspect under the Establishment Clause in the U.S. Constitution, which declares that Congress “shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion.”

“The court finds that Secular Humanism is a religion for Establishment Clause purposes,” the ruling read.

The decision highlights the unusual position of the Humanist community, which has tried for years to obtain the same legal rights as more traditional religious groups while simultaneously rebuking the existence of a god or gods. But while some Humanists may chafe at being called a “religion,” others feel that the larger pursuit of equal rights trumps legal classifications.




PeonForHer -> RE: Atheists Score Major Win In Federal Court (7/22/2017 12:11:32 AM)

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The decision highlights the unusual position of the Humanist community, which has tried for years to obtain the same legal rights as more traditional religious groups while simultaneously rebuking the existence of a god or gods. But while some Humanists may chafe at being called a “religion,” others feel that the larger pursuit of equal rights trumps legal classifications.


Insane that it has to be done, but understandable. I dare say it probably doesn't matter to a lot of atheists that a few nutcases might actually believe their atheism to be a 'religion', anyway.




MrRodgers -> RE: Atheists Score Major Win In Federal Court (7/22/2017 3:17:33 AM)

Well this will at least create a tax code subsidy.




mnottertail -> RE: Atheists Score Major Win In Federal Court (7/22/2017 4:47:57 AM)

Atheists are smart, I daresay smarter than religionists.




Musicmystery -> RE: Atheists Score Major Win In Federal Court (7/22/2017 4:54:54 AM)

Atheism as a religion is silly, but I'm down with the tax equity point.

After all, the fundamentalists keep insisting it's a religion.




mnottertail -> RE: Atheists Score Major Win In Federal Court (7/22/2017 5:33:23 AM)

well, this is taxing to inchoate brains to say the least.




Real0ne -> RE: Atheists Score Major Win In Federal Court (7/22/2017 8:19:13 AM)


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ORIGINAL: PeonForHer

Insane that it has to be done, but understandable. I dare say it probably doesn't matter to a lot of atheists that a few nutcases might actually believe their atheism to be a 'religion', anyway.



See how ignorant you all look. [8|]




Real0ne -> RE: Atheists Score Major Win In Federal Court (7/22/2017 8:38:11 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Musicmystery

Atheism as a religion is silly, but I'm down with the tax equity point.

After all, the fundamentalists keep insisting it's a religion.



Atheism is Religion according to the 1961 Torcaso v. Watkins case that was affirmed by the U.S. Supreme Court



What happens at an atheist church?


An "atheist church" in North London is proving a big hit with non-believers. Does it feel a bit like a new religion?


Launched last month, as a gathering for non-believers, it is, in the words of master of ceremonies Sanderson Jones, "part foot-stomping show, part atheist church, all celebration of life".


Instead of hymns, the non-faithful get to their feet to sing along to Stevie Wonder and Queen songs.


Melvyn Bragg and guests discuss antimatter


There is a reading from Alice in Wonderland and a power-point presentation from a particle physicist, Dr Harry Cliff, who explains the origins of antimatter theory.


It feels like a stand-up comedy show. Jones and co-founder Pippa Evans trade banter and whip the crowd up like the veterans of the stand-up circuit that they are.

The theme of the morning is "wonder" - a reaction, explains Jones, to criticism that atheists lack a sense of it.

So we bow our heads for two minutes of contemplation about the miracle of life and,

and the brain shuts down!


[img]https://i.imgur.com/2RN9DXl.jpg[/img]

in his closing sermon, Jones speaks about how the death of his mother influenced his own spiritual journey and determination to get the most out of every second, aware that life is all too brief and nothing comes after it.



The audience - overwhelmingly young, white and middle class - appear excited to be part of something new and speak of the void they felt on a Sunday morning when they decided to abandon their Christian faith.




Its not a religion but they are 'spiritual', (just like a religion) and contemplating the 'miracle' of life (just like a religion) !! Someone said atheists are insane and this leads one to believe they are correct.









mnottertail -> RE: Atheists Score Major Win In Federal Court (7/22/2017 8:38:42 AM)

nope, but you are in the garish light of day as a retard constantly. You cant even read the ruling and understand the English.




Real0ne -> RE: Atheists Score Major Win In Federal Court (7/22/2017 8:53:40 AM)


[img]https://i.imgur.com/pwqguWD.gif[/img]


atheism IS a religion







Real0ne -> RE: Atheists Score Major Win In Federal Court (7/22/2017 8:55:25 AM)

Dont forget to go to church tomorrow and worship a ZERO!

THe Atheists Prayer,
Our ZERO who aint in heaven....

Hail ZERO full of NOTHING

Sit back relax, empty your minds, Oh wait the tank is already empty! [8|]







mnottertail -> RE: Atheists Score Major Win In Federal Court (7/22/2017 9:12:57 AM)

slobbering to yourself does not indicate any sort of sentience, if you believe you have it, you have been wholly misled




tamaka -> RE: Atheists Score Major Win In Federal Court (7/22/2017 2:08:32 PM)

Well it prevents people from having to form more 'Churches of Satan' to prove a point.




itsSIRtou -> RE: Atheists Score Major Win In Federal Court (7/22/2017 2:29:12 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Real0ne


[img]https://i.imgur.com/pwqguWD.gif[/img]


atheism IS a religion





But ONLY as a legal matter, otherwise, nothing has changed.

Just because some writer uses the phrase-ology of churches to describe the goings on there, has no bearing on what the people who go there think of why they are there.

as time passes, the word "church" will fall off and the groups will call themselves whatever they want to be named....




tamaka -> RE: Atheists Score Major Win In Federal Court (7/22/2017 5:14:55 PM)

Paul was the antichrist and he designed the church.




ThatDizzyChick -> RE: Atheists Score Major Win In Federal Court (7/22/2017 6:32:53 PM)

Yeah well, sorry, but "secular humanism" and "atheism" are not synonyms, so fuck you and your bullshit OP.




Greta75 -> RE: Atheists Score Major Win In Federal Court (7/23/2017 9:57:37 AM)

FR

I feel like all the most militant Atheist are located in the US.

I suspect it's because the most militant Christians are also located there.

And the Atheist just wanna piss them off for fun.

Because seriously, in my part of the world. Atheist are known as "Free Thinkers". I mean seriously, we don't use the word Atheist here. You can see in application forms, people will write "Free Thinker" if they do not believe in any Gods or Religion.

I've spoken out against Atheist who tries to do stupid shit like make Christians take down their Christmas Decorations.

It's just a stupid war!

But all these nonsense about Atheist wanting same rights as Christians and being treated like a "religious organization" is stem out of this stupid war of them being just irritated with Fundies.

And for me, it's often very sad when I think some of these Atheists in the US, the militant ones, are sooooo irritated by the Fundie Christians, that they choose Muslims over Christians. And offer their support to help Islam grow to over take Christianity.




WickedsDesire -> RE: Atheists Score Major Win In Federal Court (7/23/2017 10:09:02 AM)

probably

but that aside I have no problem with it being - oh wait I do as all religion is bumf - burn them all.




Musicmystery -> RE: Atheists Score Major Win In Federal Court (7/25/2017 8:52:55 AM)


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ORIGINAL: ThatDizzyChick

Yeah well, sorry, but "secular humanism" and "atheism" are not synonyms, so fuck you and your bullshit OP.

Well there is that.




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