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Charlie Gard parents 'denied final wish' for more time - 7/27/2017 12:54:21 PM

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Charlie Gard parents 'denied final wish' for more time

A thread or two have mentioned this one, so consider it a final update - anyone who pays attention to my rambles knows I specifically avoid writing these types of threads - ever wondered why?

Time comes to us all - rarely in the correct, coherent, fair, just etc manner

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Decisions:
1. One more week
2. To the ends of the earth itself - even an idiot would work out I would go at least that far

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RE: Charlie Gard parents 'denied final wish' for more time - 7/27/2017 1:43:53 PM

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All I have to say, in regards of to such a tragedy, has already been said by Celine Dion in which me of her songs.

"Fly" lyrics
Celine Dion Lyrics
Play "Fly"
on Apple Music
"Fly"

Fly, fly little wing
Fly beyond imagining
The softest cloud, the whitest dove
Upon the wind of heaven's love
Past the planets and the stars
Leave this lonely world of ours
Escape the sorrow and the pain
And fly again

Fly, fly precious one
Your endless journey has begun
Take your gentle happiness
Far too beautiful for this
Cross over to the other shore
There is peace forevermore
But hold this mem'ry bittersweet
Until we meet

Fly, fly do not fear
Don't waste a breath, don't shed a tear
Your heart is pure, your soul is free
Be on your way, don't wait for me
Above the universe you'll climb
On beyond the hands of time
The moon will rise, the sun will set
But I won't forget

Fly, fly little wing
Fly where only angels sing
Fly away, the time is right
Go now, find the light

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RE: Charlie Gard parents 'denied final wish' for more time - 7/27/2017 2:03:18 PM

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I specifically avoid threads like this, or starting them, or rarely contributing to them - everyone must have noticed that by now.

Thanks for sharing those lyrics x :(

Emotional Music - Eternal Snow

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RE: Charlie Gard parents 'denied final wish' for more time - 7/27/2017 9:45:55 PM

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This case is right up there with beheading gay people for being gay.

Seriously 100% against Human basic Rights.

One of the human rights is that, the parents job is to want the best for their child and do whatever possible to find a cure for their child. EVEN when all the doctors say there is no hope. It is the parents job to believe in their child and do everything possible until the very end.

In this, Charlie Gard's parents are excellent parents. And would have been excellent parents.

I still cannot believe in real life, such a thing could ever happen. This is a stain on UK's human right's history.

Right up till the very end, the hospital is sooo spiteful and blocking the parents at every way.

But IF they are not euthanizing him or starving the baby the death. Only removing his oxygen.

I hope he survives and grows up and say fuck you to the GOSH for trying to kill him.

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RE: Charlie Gard parents 'denied final wish' for more time - 7/27/2017 9:51:49 PM

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Kamelot - The Human Stain

My mind is rarely troubled but this is the fourth time this year that has happened to me, and it rarely exceeds zero.

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RE: Charlie Gard parents 'denied final wish' for more time - 7/28/2017 6:01:10 AM

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Have you tried meditation?

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RE: Charlie Gard parents 'denied final wish' for more time - 7/28/2017 6:13:55 AM

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quote:

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This case is right up there with beheading gay people for being gay.

Seriously 100% against Human basic Rights.

One of the human rights is that, the parents job is to want the best for their child and do whatever possible to find a cure for their child. EVEN when all the doctors say there is no hope. It is the parents job to believe in their child and do everything possible until the very end.

In this, Charlie Gard's parents are excellent parents. And would have been excellent parents.

I still cannot believe in real life, such a thing could ever happen. This is a stain on UK's human right's history.

Right up till the very end, the hospital is sooo spiteful and blocking the parents at every way.

But IF they are not euthanizing him or starving the baby the death. Only removing his oxygen.

I hope he survives and grows up and say fuck you to the GOSH for trying to kill him.

This has nothing to do with Human Rights.

GOSH is a fantastic hospital and their aim is to do the BEST for any child in it's care. They have never tried to KILL Charlie and for you to suggest that is the case shows how little you know of what is going on. The staff at GOSH, including the doctors, have done their very best for this child. In this case all tests have shown that Charlie has irreversible brain damage. Irreversible means it cannot be fixed.

Even the so called "expert" from the US agreed nothing could be done and in the end was shown to be pushing his own medication knowing it would not work.

Far better to let him go peacefully.

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RE: Charlie Gard parents 'denied final wish' for more time - 7/28/2017 8:09:07 AM

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quote:

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ORIGINAL: Greta75

This case is right up there with beheading gay people for being gay.

Seriously 100% against Human basic Rights.

One of the human rights is that, the parents job is to want the best for their child and do whatever possible to find a cure for their child. EVEN when all the doctors say there is no hope. It is the parents job to believe in their child and do everything possible until the very end.
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This is a stain on UK's human right's history.

This has nothing to do with Human Rights.

GOSH is a fantastic hospital and their aim is to do the BEST for any child in it's care. They have never tried to KILL Charlie and for you to suggest that is the case shows how little you know of what is going on. The staff at GOSH, including the doctors, have done their very best for this child. In this case all tests have shown that Charlie has irreversible brain damage. Irreversible means it cannot be fixed.

Even the so called "expert" from the US agreed nothing could be done and in the end was shown to be pushing his own medication knowing it would not work.

Far better to let him go peacefully.

Cases like this are always heart breaking. One can only sympathise with the parents who are trying to move mountains to give their child a chance at life. But is their concern and commitment blinding them to realities?

The medical prognosis was that there was no chance of any successful treatment for poor little Charlie. The straw the parents were clutching at so desperately turned out to be illusory. This is not a case of human rights, this is a case of parents hoping against hope, and the reluctance of a hospital to indulge their fantasy that their child could be saved. The hospital really had no alternative but to tell the parents the truth, and to act on the basis of the best available professional advice. No one can reasonably demand that a hospital behave in any other fashion.

Perhaps the questions that need to be asked are about the quality of advice the parents were receiving, advice that caused them to believe falsely that there was the possibility of a cure. What caused the 'specialist' to offer a 'treatment' that was never going to work? Was he cynically using the parent's desperation to promote himself, either personally or professionally? I don't know the answer to these questions. But if anyone used these people as a vehicle for self promotion, either personal or professional, then clearly that person does not have the ethics expected and required of physicians.

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RE: Charlie Gard parents 'denied final wish' for more time - 7/28/2017 1:13:08 PM

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And Greta's range for empathy is . . . limited.

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RE: Charlie Gard parents 'denied final wish' for more time - 7/28/2017 1:18:18 PM

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Poor Charlie has passed away, so very sad, so heartbreaking for his parents. and everyone involved.

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RE: Charlie Gard parents 'denied final wish' for more time - 7/28/2017 4:00:48 PM

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Sad, but probably time. You want to see this brain dead kid at forty years old still on a respirator ?

From what I have gleaned, they wanted him to die at home. That would require a bunch of expensive equipment that is needed for other purposes.

There is sometimes nothing you can do. I don't understand why there are all kinds of threads on this. It is over.

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RE: Charlie Gard parents 'denied final wish' for more time - 7/28/2017 9:23:59 PM

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quote:

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Even the so called "expert" from the US agreed nothing could be done and in the end was shown to be pushing his own medication knowing it would not work.

You do realise the American doctor believed Charlie had hope was due to initial MRI Scans looking good.

But the hospital held him hostage for 9 months refusing to allow him to go to the US. That's why his brain damage got severely worst! This is a baby in critical condition and a condition that is deteriorating fast and was refused Treatment By GOSH for month after month, not even giving a shit about the urgency of his treatment IF there was gonna be any hope.

Oh please! To me, Gosh are murderers.

Now his dead. I hope Gosh is happy. After All, what kind of stupid Hospital goes to Court to fight AGAINST the parents of the child for the RIGHTS to Murder their Child.

This was their goal, They WANTED Charlie dead. They went to court to fight for the rights to kill Charlie. They won. Charlie is DEAD. An innocent was sentenced to Death by the Decision of some Doctor who thinks it is his medical professional rights to kill a child.

Great Job!

Fortunately, a doctor who can play God who can over-ride the decision of the parents to fight for a child's life, is only legal in UK and no where else!

Or probably only legal in countries with free medical care. Not legal in my country for sure.

I will never ever support Universal Health Care now. IF it gives doctors rights to murder innocent babies against the parents choice.

And ya can be sure, this Charlie Gard will forever be an example of why Universal Health Care is dangerously turning into some Nazi organization who will take away your parents right to do everything possible to save your child.

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RE: Charlie Gard parents 'denied final wish' for more time - 7/28/2017 9:37:03 PM

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The medical prognosis was that there was no chance of any successful treatment for poor little Charlie.

I posted a real life story of another baby who was brain damaged and condemned to death who miraculously survived after removing life support and is doing good and surviving.

Medical professionals do not always get it right. This is a disease they don't understand alot about. There are only 16 cases in the world. Fact is, they don't know much about it. Everything can be cured, it's a matter of whether the cure is discovered yet.

So it is very fair that the parents should not give up hope and try everything.

GOSH does not even have experience with this illness to start with to claim to be the almighty on this.

There are also alot of plenty of unproven cancer recovery treatment stories when chemotherapy failed. And many of them, they aren't even selling anything. Just sharing their own experience of their journey to seeking alternative treatment when chemo failed.

I can tell you a very simple thing. All my GP tells me that Cayenne pepper is bad for sore throat. I told them pouring Cayenne pepper down my throat cures my sore throat instantly. Like by the next day. The long anti-biotics they keep giving me is doing shit.

And they don't believe as it's not their medical science. But Cayenne pepper for sore throat is just a traditional south american cure.

So since then, everytime I have sore throat, I just use what works. Cayenne pepper.

It burns the throat and then within a few hours, I can talk without pain, my voice comes back. When anti-biotics in the past, I still cannot talk for a week.

Doctors are humans. They aren't infalliable. They are there to give professional Advice only. Not to play God and decide who deserves to die.

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RE: Charlie Gard parents 'denied final wish' for more time - 7/28/2017 9:49:46 PM

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Sad, but probably time. You want to see this brain dead kid at forty years old still on a respirator ?

This is parental choice. Not doctor's choice. If they can afford it, why not? They are choosing a very hard and difficult life caring for a child like this but that is their decision and beyond that, a giant financial burden to bear for life. That's love right there!

Anybody who claims to be pro-choice and supports the hospital decision cannot call themselves pro-choice anymore. As Charlie Gard situation is the most classic example of taking away the mother's right away from her to decide what to do with her child.

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RE: Charlie Gard parents 'denied final wish' for more time - 7/28/2017 11:58:30 PM

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quote:

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Even the so called "expert" from the US agreed nothing could be done and in the end was shown to be pushing his own medication knowing it would not work.

You do realise the American doctor believed Charlie had hope was due to initial MRI Scans looking good.

But the hospital held him hostage for 9 months refusing to allow him to go to the US. That's why his brain damage got severely worst! This is a baby in critical condition and a condition that is deteriorating fast and was refused Treatment By GOSH for month after month, not even giving a shit about the urgency of his treatment IF there was gonna be any hope.

Oh please! To me, Gosh are murderers.

Now his dead. I hope Gosh is happy. After All, what kind of stupid Hospital goes to Court to fight AGAINST the parents of the child for the RIGHTS to Murder their Child.

This was their goal, They WANTED Charlie dead. They went to court to fight for the rights to kill Charlie. They won. Charlie is DEAD. An innocent was sentenced to Death by the Decision of some Doctor who thinks it is his medical professional rights to kill a child.

Great Job!

Fortunately, a doctor who can play God who can over-ride the decision of the parents to fight for a child's life, is only legal in UK and no where else!

Or probably only legal in countries with free medical care. Not legal in my country for sure.

I will never ever support Universal Health Care now. IF it gives doctors rights to murder innocent babies against the parents choice.

And ya can be sure, this Charlie Gard will forever be an example of why Universal Health Care is dangerously turning into some Nazi organization who will take away your parents right to do everything possible to save your child.

How dare you even suggest that the staff at GOSH are murderers and wanted the child dead. It is time for you to grow up and live in the real world.

Nobody killed Charlie, he died.

You are in fact guilty of Libel by defaming GOSH and all the medical team, who actually did their very best for Charlie.

I am sure the UK Police would be interested in hearing your assertion that GOSH murdered a child.

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RE: Charlie Gard parents 'denied final wish' for more time - 7/29/2017 1:05:22 AM

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Then why didn't they let him go to the US ?

Surely the treatment here was an if come, maybe, might work.
But they had nothing.

That doesn't mean I would want their NHS to pay for it, money hasn't really been mentioned so I am guessing they had the money for such a trip. And it is not like you or I jumping on a plane, they need to load equipment and all this to keep him alive.

But they were probably right. It might sound harsh but if you don't breathe you die. They shouldn't have pro;longed his life as long as they did. But I do agree that if the Parents have the mney and want to try something else, they should not fight it.

We have had similar cases in the US. One impelled the state of Pennsylvania to change the law as a pregnant Woman had a court hearing in absentia because the hospital wanted to force her to have a C section. Without even knowing that she left the hospital and had the baby normally somewhere else. She only found out about the case when reporters came knocking at her door. They claimed her avoidance of a C section was religious but it was not. She said she had a bunch of kids already and this one was not the biggest.

But I ind it hard to believe this happened in the UK. They should be willing to hand off patients anytime so the taxpayers don't have to pay. They would not have paid for the treatment in the US. That would be on the Parents. Since their doctors did not recommend this, they would be off the hook completely. Seems like some doctors are on a power trip or something.

Here it is different. They get rich when you are under their care. But not there.

Unless the Parents wanted the NHS to pay for the flight and the treatment in the US, it makes no sense for them to fight it. To not get proven wrong in case it works ? If they thought there was a chance of it working it is highly unethical for them to fight it.

I expect shit like this in the US, but not there.

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RE: Charlie Gard parents 'denied final wish' for more time - 7/29/2017 1:24:12 AM

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How dare you even suggest that the staff at GOSH are murderers and wanted the child dead. It is time for you to grow up and live in the real world.

Nobody killed Charlie, he died.

You are in fact guilty of Libel by defaming GOSH and all the medical team, who actually did their very best for Charlie.

I am sure the UK Police would be interested in hearing your assertion that GOSH murdered a child.

Sure, cry to the UK Police about it.

Doesn't change the fact that GOSH and it's open information on international news that the Hospital went into the courts to fight for the RIGHT to murder Charlie Gard by REFUSING life support to him anymore!

IF that is not murder then what is it?

If I go into a critical ill patient ward and INTENTIONALLY remove his life support and he died. I'd be charged for Murder.

Call it what it is! This is Murder! This child DID NOTHING WRONG! But was born defect. And GOSH WANTED him dead because he was a defective human being.

In most cases it is child abuse when parents refuse medical care to their child.

In this case, it is a WHOLE Hospital that deny medical care to a child. Or I should say REFUSE to allow a child to seek further medical treatment with a different Hospital.

It is sooo despicable of GOSH to intentionally prevent Charlie from attempting his only hope to live. And hold him hostage until his condition is too damaged beyond help. INTENTIONALLY, On PURPOSE, is the big word!

You are outrage because you know I speak the truth! The hospital and medical professionals have NO RIGHT to issue death sentence to an innocent child AGAINST their parent's will. But UK gotta be one of those only crazy countries in the world that allows Medical Professionals to issue death sentences to innocent babies legally.

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RE: Charlie Gard parents 'denied final wish' for more time - 7/29/2017 1:47:51 AM

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Aafter you lied about him breathing after being taken off life support, what makes you think anyone gives a shit about your opinion.

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RE: Charlie Gard parents 'denied final wish' for more time - 7/29/2017 1:52:39 AM

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I didn't lie about him being taking off life support.

After the European Courts ruled that it's over. GOSH did remove life support and then put it back on! Because after the European courts rule the same as the British Courts, GOSH already got legal rights to remove life support, so what are you talking about? And they did it! Because after a period of time, they were expecting instant death for Charlie but it didn't happen. And then came third court case!

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RE: Charlie Gard parents 'denied final wish' for more time - 7/29/2017 1:54:55 AM

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Susie,

My question to you are you feeling very proud about this incident as an x-medical professional? And a UK citizen?

You think that GOSH are heroes and best example of what medical professionals should do? Campaign to kill children that they can't treat?

For spending the last 9 months preventing Charlie from seeking overseas treatment and insisting on his death instead?

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