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WhoreMods -> RE: Can Russia Order US to do anything? Are we playing Poker? (7/31/2017 12:54:56 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Termyn8or FR Russians do not live on wheat, nobody does. Wheat makes bread and pasta, empty carbs. Find out where they buy their meat and veggies. Also bear in mind that there is no real evidence they did anything. We've been through all that. It is all a matter of "he said they did it" with not one shred of real evidence. So if you want to piss off people who are the only ones who can really give us trouble, go right ahead. Life was getting boring anyway. T^T Still think Clinton was more likely to start something with Russia than the shitgibbon in the white house?

DesideriScuri -> RE: Can Russia Order US to do anything? Are we playing Poker? (7/31/2017 12:58:43 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Lucylastic quote: ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri quote: ORIGINAL: Lucylastic they just kicked out 755 US diplomats, so yeah, oh and the sanctions bill?congress(senate and house) can override trumps veto Who says Trump is going to veto it? Apparently, he signaled he'd support it over a week ago. nobody knows for sure what he will or wont say or do, but more than a few have opined on it. because HIS people have said, its possible http://www.nationalreview.com/article/449865/donald-trump-russia-sanctions-bill-veto-would-be-politically-disastrous from 7/26 http://www.cnn.com/2017/07/27/politics/trump-russia-sanctions-veto-cnntv/index.html from 7/27 http://www.newsweek.com/can-trump-veto-block-or-delay-bill-russian-sanctions-643526 from 7/28; relies on comments from last week; Scaramucci was also reported to have said that the veto might come because the bill didn't go far enough https://www.washingtonpost.com/powerpost/trump-may-veto-russia-sanctions-bill-that-seeks-to-restrain-his-power/2017/07/27/0e9f5e8c-72ca-11e7-8f39-eeb7d3a2d304_story.html?utm_term=.bd884b8e0be7 from 7/28, and Scaramucci was quoted as saying Trump could veto it to negotiate a tougher bill http://globalnews.ca/news/3630463/us-senate-votes-for-russia-sanctions/ from 7/27 http://www.politico.com/story/2017/07/27/russia-sanctions-bill-senate-to-pass-241034 from 7/27 quote: The White House has avoided taking a clear position on the sanctions legislation all week, with communications director Anthony Scaramucci telling CNN on Thursday that Trump "may sign the sanctions exactly the way they are, or he may veto the sanctions and negotiate an even tougher deal against the Russians." https://www.washingtonpost.com/powerpost/house-prepares-to-pass-sanctions-bill--and-set-up-veto-dilemma-for-trump/2017/07/25/ece80164-7138-11e7-8839-ec48ec4cae25_story.html?utm_term=.71da0227c003 from 7/25 http://thehill.com/homenews/administration/344074-scaramucci-trump-may-veto-bipartisan-russia-sanctions-bill from 7/27 Once again, the veto was in reference to possibly making the bill tougher. https://www.cnbc.com/2017/07/27/trump-has-no-choice-but-to-accept-sanctions-against-russia-bill-browder.html from 7/27 Once again, the veto was in reference to possibly making the bill tougher. All the references to something Rex Tillerson said were from June. Hardly a solid basis for any claims that Trump will veto the bill. Plus, Tillerson was referring to a potential veto over the legislation tying Trump's hands regarding lifting sanctions. So, all the hysterics are either based on old stances that have since changed and/or stances that could lead to tougher sanctions on Russia. What do the anti-Trumptooners want here?

thompsonx -> RE: Can Russia Order US to do anything? Are we playing Poker? (7/31/2017 2:00:23 PM)
ORIGINAL: jlf1961 There is an easy solution to the whole problem with Russia. Russia is still the biggest purchaser of grains from the US, Bullshit....Russia is a net exporter. http://www.worldstopexports.com/wheat-exports-country/ due to the simple fact that even with the collapse of the Soviet Union, Russian farming efficiency is still in the toilet. Cold war rhetoric is not fact. In fact, since the US is the largest grain producing country on the planet, if we stopped exporting to Russia, they could not purchase enough grains from the rest of the world to make up the difference. Not according to the cite I posted Yes, there is the argument that by stopping the sale of grains to Russia, we basically are consigning a lot of people to malnutrition if not out right starvation. You do not seem to have a problem with that. How would you feel if they stopped selling us titanium? Without it there are no jet airplanes. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_titanium_production However, we are talking about Russians who elected Putin and his band of merry men to office, so they are just as bad as the bald asshole, so let the mother fuckers starve. This would presuppose that you take full responsibility for dumb don? This will result in one of two things, either the population of Russia will drop dramatically over the next couple of years, or the people will kick the son of a bitch out of office and get a moderate. Or they might quit selling us titanium and good looking bitches for dumb don. Now if the population drops, that means their standing military forces drop, and since we could very easily eliminate their nuclear threat with a strategic first strike, we could then move in, take their oil fields and make the Koch brothers very happy. To quote my old first sargent, the only good Russian is a dead Russian. To quote every president from washington to teddy roosevelt "the only good indan is a dead indian. ]

jlf1961 -> RE: Can Russia Order US to do anything? Are we playing Poker? (7/31/2017 2:07:24 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri quote: ORIGINAL: jlf1961 There is an easy solution to the whole problem with Russia. Russia is still the biggest purchaser of grains from the US, due to the simple fact that even with the collapse of the Soviet Union, Russian farming efficiency is still in the toilet. In fact, since the US is the largest grain producing country on the planet, if we stopped exporting to Russia, they could not purchase enough grains from the rest of the world to make up the difference. What right does the Federal Government have to unilaterally sanction Russia, especially with such severe a severe embargo on a basic foodstuff? I see. They elected a "strong leader" so fuck 'em? Let them die? If we're sanctioning Russia over meddling in our elections, how, exactly, is this not meddling in their elections? How imperialistic of you. I, on the other hand, hope for a less imperialistic USA. The elected a former top officer in the KGB that has stated intentions to rebuild the glorious Russian empire. He lied about the Russian military involvement in the Ukraine, by insisting that the seperatist rebels had enough helicopters to transport 6 full battalions of troops into a combat zone (didnt matter the damn things had Russian markings,) had his intel people release a satilite photo of a 'Ukranian" jet shooting down a civilian airliner (didnt matter that the image was proven to be doctored by photo analysts at the CIA, NSA and a couple of nitwits at FOX news) Oh yes, then there are the two properties they are demanding to be returned, which when searched by CIA and NSA experts found all kinds of high tech electronic surveillance equipment and not one item of diplomatic value. And let us not forget that Putin has spent every year he has been in power rebuilding their nuclear arsenal. Oh, and the fact that everyone that speaks out against him ends up in prison or dead. The same is true for the Russian LGBT community. And opposition political opponents tend to have fatal accidents. Strong leader? Let me guess, you consider Hitler a strong leader, same as Stalin, Pol Pot, Hussein, and Chairman Mao? Tell you something else, Putin was such a bastard at the KGB that the CIA had one standing order on the man IF he left the Soviet Union, terminate with extreme prejudice. He was part of the KGB staff that sent out directives to client governments on how to deal with dissidents, one of his great accomplishments were the Nicaraguan Death squads, you know the guys that executed 12 Catholic nuns as an example to other clergy in that country when the Communists were in control? So, yeah he is a strong leader, the same as every fucking shit bag power hungry ass who keeps getting elected because opposition people end up dead or in prison. Oh, and he was involved in the KGB coup against Gorbachev who decided that the Berlin wall had to go and the cold war had to end. So yeah, put the screws to the people to force him out or push the country to the point that the French army could walk in and take Russia while drunk as lords and no ammo in their weapons. Personally, given his history and the history of his top advisors, I would love to see them staked out over a fire ant bed under a nice hot August sun with their eyelids slit so they could enjoy looking at the sky while they screamed.

DesideriScuri -> RE: Can Russia Order US to do anything? Are we playing Poker? (7/31/2017 2:36:19 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: jlf1961 quote: ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri quote: ORIGINAL: jlf1961 There is an easy solution to the whole problem with Russia. Russia is still the biggest purchaser of grains from the US, due to the simple fact that even with the collapse of the Soviet Union, Russian farming efficiency is still in the toilet. In fact, since the US is the largest grain producing country on the planet, if we stopped exporting to Russia, they could not purchase enough grains from the rest of the world to make up the difference. What right does the Federal Government have to unilaterally sanction Russia, especially with such severe a severe embargo on a basic foodstuff? I see. They elected a "strong leader" so fuck 'em? Let them die? If we're sanctioning Russia over meddling in our elections, how, exactly, is this not meddling in their elections? How imperialistic of you. I, on the other hand, hope for a less imperialistic USA. The elected a former top officer in the KGB that has stated intentions to rebuild the glorious Russian empire. He lied about the Russian military involvement in the Ukraine, by insisting that the seperatist rebels had enough helicopters to transport 6 full battalions of troops into a combat zone (didnt matter the damn things had Russian markings,) had his intel people release a satilite photo of a 'Ukranian" jet shooting down a civilian airliner (didnt matter that the image was proven to be doctored by photo analysts at the CIA, NSA and a couple of nitwits at FOX news) Oh yes, then there are the two properties they are demanding to be returned, which when searched by CIA and NSA experts found all kinds of high tech electronic surveillance equipment and not one item of diplomatic value. And let us not forget that Putin has spent every year he has been in power rebuilding their nuclear arsenal. Oh, and the fact that everyone that speaks out against him ends up in prison or dead. The same is true for the Russian LGBT community. And opposition political opponents tend to have fatal accidents. And, what does any of that have to do with the US having the authority to hand down sanctions unilaterally? quote: Strong leader? Let me guess, you consider Hitler a strong leader, same as Stalin, Pol Pot, Hussein, and Chairman Mao? Stalin, Hitler, Saddam, and Mao were strong leaders. I assume Pol Pot was, too. Trump is trying to be. Obama tried to be. "Strong," however, does not refer to the ability of the person. Strong refers to the position and how it relates to the other parts of government. If I recall correctly, the Queen of England holds little authority over governance, with governance being up to the Prime Minister and the Parliament. The monarch's position in the government of the UK, then, would be considered weak. The Prime Minister, too, leaves most legislation and governance up to the Parliament, though the PM and Cabinet may have considerable influence. That would make the PM position of the UK somewhat weak, though more strong than the monarch, for every day governance. Hitler, Stalin, Mao, Saddam were strong leaders. The Federal Government was not designed for the POTUS to be a strong position. quote: Tell you something else, Putin was such a bastard at the KGB that the CIA had one standing order on the man IF he left the Soviet Union, terminate with extreme prejudice. He was part of the KGB staff that sent out directives to client governments on how to deal with dissidents, one of his great accomplishments were the Nicaraguan Death squads, you know the guys that executed 12 Catholic nuns as an example to other clergy in that country when the Communists were in control? So, yeah he is a strong leader, the same as every fucking shit bag power hungry ass who keeps getting elected because opposition people end up dead or in prison. Oh, and he was involved in the KGB coup against Gorbachev who decided that the Berlin wall had to go and the cold war had to end. None of that means fuckall to whether the US has the authority to unilaterally apply sanctions. quote: So yeah, put the screws to the people to force him out or push the country to the point that the French army could walk in and take Russia while drunk as lords and no ammo in their weapons. Thank you for finally answering a question. You'd rather see every day Russians die. Congrats, Jeff. You're supporting our doing things that you oppose when done by those you've previously mention. Hypocrite much? quote: Personally, given his history and the history of his top advisors, I would love to see them staked out over a fire ant bed under a nice hot August sun with their eyelids slit so they could enjoy looking at the sky while they screamed. I'm not 100% sure, but I do think that would be opposed to our Constitution. But, hey, fuck 'em!

WickedsDesire -> RE: Can Russia Order US to do anything? Are we playing Poker? (7/31/2017 2:59:44 PM)
They say Americans lap up the jobbies and howl for more, and to be beaten with a big stick declaring unto themselves its for the very beast Is there truth in that? I always wondered.

jlf1961 -> RE: Can Russia Order US to do anything? Are we playing Poker? (7/31/2017 3:28:20 PM)
Great, in your opinion a strong leader is one who oppresses his people, eliminates dissidents and opposition. And you call me a hypocrite? As for the government's right to impose sanctions, since the sanctions only apply to US firms and US citizens doing business with Russia, as well as diplomatic sanctions, the government is well within its constitutional powers to do so. In fact, is the responsibility of the government to do so, in order to bring pressure to a government without blowing the shit out of the country to make its point. Now granted, historically speaking, when the US applied sanctions on its own, they rarely worked, case in point, the Japanese during the years from 1937 through 12-7-41. But, more to the point, the Russian people could, vote the bastards out, and failing that, some of the more moderate members of his government could kick the son of a bitch out. However, since you seem to feel that this particular gentleman is a good leader, I still would like to point out that everyone that has politically opposed him since he came to power have ended up in prison or dead. Then there is his government's stand on the LGBT community within Russia itself, they are arrested, imprisoned, tortured, beaten and worse, by police and government agents for being gay, lesbian, bi or transgendered. But then powerful leaders do stuff like that, and you seem to think they should be admired. One more thing, I have seen first hand what Russian troops do to indigenous populations, and I am not referring to their Spetsnaz. You know the crimes that US troops go to prison for, murdering indigenous civilians, well those guys get promoted for the same shit. And claiming that only happened during the communist years is bullshit. It is happening in the Ukraine and Chechnya today, and every other place within Russia where some group stands up and tells Putin to fuck himself. So the sanctions are more than justified, and the US is not the only government doing it. The thing is that since he came to power, he has pretty much rebuilt the Russian military and put former communist hardliners in key positions. Granted, those hardliners may die of old age over the next 30 years, but honestly, the man and his ilk need to be taken out. Now, it is true that the US gave up on foreign political leader assassinations after the number of failed attempts on Castro, but in his case, an exception should be made.

Termyn8or -> RE: Can Russia Order US to do anything? Are we playing Poker? (7/31/2017 5:01:40 PM)
quote: Oh, and the fact that everyone that speaks out against him ends up in prison or dead. The same is true for the Russian LGBT community. That is not true. Pussy Riot got arrested for invading a church and disrupting their proceedings. They also got removed from one of the entrances to the Olympics. Putin said himself that he thought the sentences they got were too harsh. But then of course he did not pardon them or commute their sentences. Pussy Riot was one of the most vocal of the anti-Putin faction in Russia, but what happened to them was no worse than what would have happened here. They disturbed the peace. They disturbed people. They invaded a fucking church. Putin has a hell of alot of popular support. People have jobs, money, disposable income and something on which to spend it. They have it better than it ever was in the Soviet days. They are actully doing better there than we are here. Putin has been much maligned by our media but what has he really done ? They still have no evidence of election tampering. So what else do you got ? That he operates in the best interest of Russia instead of the US and the western oil companies ? What the fuck do you expect him to do ? i see no issue here. Let those diplomats go home, fuck it. Bring ours back, but really I have no idea how to get them any honest work. They are talkers, who take complaints from USians in Russia and either fix it or scurry them home. What kind of job would you give them ? Sweep the floor at a McD's ? How many USians are in Russia ? I would bet few. At 755 there are probably more diplomats than regular people. Most people think Russia is a backwards country, still watching black and whit TV. But that is not how it is. They got what we got, they got ICBMs as good as ours, they got better war planes. They got just as good weapons as we do. Think of the AK-47, I actually want one. But I want it made in Russia or Israel, not China or any of those other elcheapo countries. They might not have it as good there as here, where we have two acre yards n shit. But they have it better than ever after the Soviets left. They are happy. And I am not. T^T

DesideriScuri -> RE: Can Russia Order US to do anything? Are we playing Poker? (7/31/2017 5:03:31 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: jlf1961 Great, in your opinion a strong leader is one who oppresses his people, eliminates dissidents and opposition. And you call me a hypocrite? More like an idiot on this one, Jeff. quote: As for the government's right to impose sanctions, since the sanctions only apply to US firms and US citizens doing business with Russia, as well as diplomatic sanctions, the government is well within its constitutional powers to do so. In fact, is the responsibility of the government to do so, in order to bring pressure to a government without blowing the shit out of the country to make its point. Government has the authority to prevent us from entering into Market transactions with other countries? Which part of the US Constitution states that? What gives us the authority to bring pressure on the Russians at this point in time? quote: Now granted, historically speaking, when the US applied sanctions on its own, they rarely worked, case in point, the Japanese during the years from 1937 through 12-7-41. But, more to the point, the Russian people could, vote the bastards out, and failing that, some of the more moderate members of his government could kick the son of a bitch out. However, since you seem to feel that this particular gentleman is a good leader, I still would like to point out that everyone that has politically opposed him since he came to power have ended up in prison or dead. When you use the phrase "good leader," what meaning of 'good' are you using? quote: Then there is his government's stand on the LGBT community within Russia itself, they are arrested, imprisoned, tortured, beaten and worse, by police and government agents for being gay, lesbian, bi or transgendered. What right does the US have to unilaterally condemn how any other government treats it's people? But then powerful leaders do stuff like that, and you seem to think they should be admired. Where have I stated Putin should be admired, let alone admired for how his administration treats the LGBT community? quote: One more thing, I have seen first hand what Russian troops do to indigenous populations, and I am not referring to their Spetsnaz. You know the crimes that US troops go to prison for, murdering indigenous civilians, well those guys get promoted for the same shit. And claiming that only happened during the communist years is bullshit. It is happening in the Ukraine and Chechnya today, and every other place within Russia where some group stands up and tells Putin to fuck himself. So the sanctions are more than justified, and the US is not the only government doing it. The thing is that since he came to power, he has pretty much rebuilt the Russian military and put former communist hardliners in key positions. Really? What other government has Congress committed to using sanctions against Russia? Didn't you just say above it only applies to US firms and US citizens? If you're going to go ahead and say the US can sanction Russia because others are doing it, are you also going to go ahead and say the US can take guns away from it's citizens, like many other countries have done to their citizens? Didn't think so. quote: Granted, those hardliners may die of old age over the next 30 years, but honestly, the man and his ilk need to be taken out. Now, it is true that the US gave up on foreign political leader assassinations after the number of failed attempts on Castro, but in his case, an exception should be made. Now you're claiming that murder of a foreign political figure would be a good thing?!? What part of the US Constitution says that's ok?!?

WickedsDesire -> RE: Can Russia Order US to do anything? Are we playing Poker? (7/31/2017 5:05:22 PM)
so who can i call

MrRodgers -> RE: Can Russia Order US to do anything? Are we playing Poker? (7/31/2017 5:52:31 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: WhoreMods quote: ORIGINAL: MrRodgers The US sanctions are only those that the US can implement. However, it is also my understanding that the US asks other nations to join in...some may be pressured to do so. Historically, yes. Under the current management, after the shite el presidente has been spouting since November about the freeloading scum in NATO, and dissing every world leader about apart from Putin and the house of Saud, exactly who's going to feel obliged to support him in imposing sanctions? The difference at least with these new sanctions, is that they were voted in by veto-proof majorities in both chambers of congress. Plus in addition to that, by the very nature of these sanctions as I've read, they are more personal like travel and banking and that could attain some international cooperation.

WickedsDesire -> RE: Can Russia Order US to do anything? Are we playing Poker? (7/31/2017 5:56:31 PM)
so who is real here? fantoshes do not count and fake mutts Just you wicked eh

MrRodgers -> RE: Can Russia Order US to do anything? Are we playing Poker? (7/31/2017 6:28:00 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri quote: ORIGINAL: jlf1961 quote: ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri quote: ORIGINAL: jlf1961 There is an easy solution to the whole problem with Russia. Russia is still the biggest purchaser of grains from the US, due to the simple fact that even with the collapse of the Soviet Union, Russian farming efficiency is still in the toilet. In fact, since the US is the largest grain producing country on the planet, if we stopped exporting to Russia, they could not purchase enough grains from the rest of the world to make up the difference. What right does the Federal Government have to unilaterally sanction Russia, especially with such severe a severe embargo on a basic foodstuff? I see. They elected a "strong leader" so fuck 'em? Let them die? If we're sanctioning Russia over meddling in our elections, how, exactly, is this not meddling in their elections? How imperialistic of you. I, on the other hand, hope for a less imperialistic USA. The elected a former top officer in the KGB that has stated intentions to rebuild the glorious Russian empire. He lied about the Russian military involvement in the Ukraine, by insisting that the seperatist rebels had enough helicopters to transport 6 full battalions of troops into a combat zone (didnt matter the damn things had Russian markings,) had his intel people release a satilite photo of a 'Ukranian" jet shooting down a civilian airliner (didnt matter that the image was proven to be doctored by photo analysts at the CIA, NSA and a couple of nitwits at FOX news) Oh yes, then there are the two properties they are demanding to be returned, which when searched by CIA and NSA experts found all kinds of high tech electronic surveillance equipment and not one item of diplomatic value. And let us not forget that Putin has spent every year he has been in power rebuilding their nuclear arsenal. Oh, and the fact that everyone that speaks out against him ends up in prison or dead. The same is true for the Russian LGBT community. And opposition political opponents tend to have fatal accidents. And, what does any of that have to do with the US having the authority to hand down sanctions unilaterally? quote: Strong leader? Let me guess, you consider Hitler a strong leader, same as Stalin, Pol Pot, Hussein, and Chairman Mao? Stalin, Hitler, Saddam, and Mao were strong leaders. I assume Pol Pot was, too. Trump is trying to be. Obama tried to be. "Strong," however, does not refer to the ability of the person. Strong refers to the position and how it relates to the other parts of government. If I recall correctly, the Queen of England holds little authority over governance, with governance being up to the Prime Minister and the Parliament. The monarch's position in the government of the UK, then, would be considered weak. The Prime Minister, too, leaves most legislation and governance up to the Parliament, though the PM and Cabinet may have considerable influence. That would make the PM position of the UK somewhat weak, though more strong than the monarch, for every day governance. Hitler, Stalin, Mao, Saddam were strong leaders. The Federal Government was not designed for the POTUS to be a strong position. quote: Tell you something else, Putin was such a bastard at the KGB that the CIA had one standing order on the man IF he left the Soviet Union, terminate with extreme prejudice. He was part of the KGB staff that sent out directives to client governments on how to deal with dissidents, one of his great accomplishments were the Nicaraguan Death squads, you know the guys that executed 12 Catholic nuns as an example to other clergy in that country when the Communists were in control? So, yeah he is a strong leader, the same as every fucking shit bag power hungry ass who keeps getting elected because opposition people end up dead or in prison. Oh, and he was involved in the KGB coup against Gorbachev who decided that the Berlin wall had to go and the cold war had to end. None of that means fuckall to whether the US has the authority to unilaterally apply sanctions. quote: So yeah, put the screws to the people to force him out or push the country to the point that the French army could walk in and take Russia while drunk as lords and no ammo in their weapons. Thank you for finally answering a question. You'd rather see every day Russians die. Congrats, Jeff. You're supporting our doing things that you oppose when done by those you've previously mention. Hypocrite much? quote: Personally, given his history and the history of his top advisors, I would love to see them staked out over a fire ant bed under a nice hot August sun with their eyelids slit so they could enjoy looking at the sky while they screamed. I'm not 100% sure, but I do think that would be opposed to our Constitution. But, hey, fuck 'em! Once again, the US can sanction whatever the US can implement. The adj. unilateral is fine because it is a 'uni-source' of action and the US takes such action by itself...for itself. (unilateral) As I wrote, the US simply asks others to join in.

WickedsDesire -> RE: Can Russia Order US to do anything? Are we playing Poker? (7/31/2017 6:32:17 PM)
panty shitter

MrRodgers -> RE: Can Russia Order US to do anything? Are we playing Poker? (7/31/2017 6:45:08 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Termyn8or quote: Oh, and the fact that everyone that speaks out against him ends up in prison or dead. The same is true for the Russian LGBT community. That is not true. Pussy Riot got arrested for invading a church and disrupting their proceedings. They also got removed from one of the entrances to the Olympics. Putin said himself that he thought the sentences they got were too harsh. But then of course he did not pardon them or commute their sentences. Pussy Riot was one of the most vocal of the anti-Putin faction in Russia, but what happened to them was no worse than what would have happened here. They disturbed the peace. They disturbed people. They invaded a fucking church. Putin has a hell of alot of popular support. People have jobs, money, disposable income and something on which to spend it. They have it better than it ever was in the Soviet days. They are actully doing better there than we are here. Putin has been much maligned by our media but what has he really done ? They still have no evidence of election tampering. So what else do you got ? That he operates in the best interest of Russia instead of the US and the western oil companies ? What the fuck do you expect him to do ? i see no issue here. Let those diplomats go home, fuck it. Bring ours back, but really I have no idea how to get them any honest work. They are talkers, who take complaints from USians in Russia and either fix it or scurry them home. What kind of job would you give them ? Sweep the floor at a McD's ? How many USians are in Russia ? I would bet few. At 755 there are probably more diplomats than regular people. Most people think Russia is a backwards country, still watching black and whit TV. But that is not how it is. They got what we got, they got ICBMs as good as ours, they got better war planes. They got just as good weapons as we do. Think of the AK-47, I actually want one. But I want it made in Russia or Israel, not China or any of those other elcheapo countries. They might not have it as good there as here, where we have two acre yards n shit. But they have it better than ever after the Soviets left. They are happy. And I am not. T^T Not according to this: HERE 2 years jail time. Lowlights: Russian oligarchs who helped engineer Mr. Putin’s rise to power at the end of 1999 but didn’t appreciate the threat he posed to them until they found themselves under arrest, forced into exile or forced into giving up their businesses — especially if those businesses included independent media critical of Mr. Putin (see Berezovsky, Boris; Gusinsky, Vladimir). Informal Cossack security forces beat her and other Pussy Riot members as they prepared to perform in Sochi during the 2014 Olympics. That same year, a youth gang attacked her with trash and a green antiseptic chemical in Nizhny Novgorod, where she was protesting prison conditions. The men were clearly identifiable but, she said, police made no arrests. ...to the point, [later that day] the informal Trump adviser Corey Lewandowski declared that The New York Times’s executive editor, Dean Baquet, “should be in jail.” In October, The Times published an article about leaked pages from Mr. Trump’s 1995 state tax returns. Trump wants to...be like Vlad.

WickedsDesire -> RE: Can Russia Order US to do anything? Are we playing Poker? (7/31/2017 6:50:20 PM)
What one of you is making my coffee?

WickedsDesire -> RE: Can Russia Order US to do anything? Are we playing Poker? (7/31/2017 6:51:57 PM)
good word is oligarchs he is worth 150 billion did any of you know that?

thompsonx -> RE: Can Russia Order US to do anything? Are we playing Poker? (8/1/2017 2:19:58 PM)
ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri Now you're claiming that murder of a foreign political figure would be a good thing?!? What part of the US Constitution says that's ok?!? Article 1 section 8.

thompsonx -> RE: Can Russia Order US to do anything? Are we playing Poker? (8/1/2017 2:24:06 PM)
ORIGINAL: jlf1961 Great, in your opinion a strong leader is one who oppresses his people, eliminates dissidents and opposition. And you call me a hypocrite? Not only a hypocrite but also ignorant and disingenuous. Which amerikan president ,from washington to t.roosevelt did not do the exact same ting to native amerikans?

DesideriScuri -> RE: Can Russia Order US to do anything? Are we playing Poker? (8/1/2017 2:32:59 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: MrRodgers Once again, the US can sanction whatever the US can implement. The adj. unilateral is fine because it is a 'uni-source' of action and the US takes such action by itself...for itself. (unilateral) As I wrote, the US simply asks others to join in. And here I thought you and I agreed in our opposition of US imperialism. What's the point of having a Constitution when the authority we're citing is "because we can?"

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