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heavyblinker -> The past 5 GOP presidents have used fraud and treason to win (7/29/2017 7:36:37 AM)
http://www.alternet.org/right-wing/gop-fraud-and-treason Nixon-negotiated with South Vietnam to extend the Vietnam war Ford- became president due to Nixon's treason Reagan-negotiated to make sure hostages in Iran wouldn't be released, then sold weapons to Iran. Bush 1- coasted through on Reagan's coattails Bush 2- stopped the recount that would have shown Al Gore to have won the 2000 election Trump is definitely a true Republican.

WickedsDesire -> RE: The past 5 GOP presidents have used fraud and treason to win (7/29/2017 7:54:50 AM)
guffaws Was that the Florida recount? There was something very off about that one.

WhoreMods -> RE: The past 5 GOP presidents have used fraud and treason to win (7/29/2017 8:11:50 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: WickedsDesire guffaws Was that the Florida recount? There was something very off about that one. You mean the fact that it was illegally stopped? Yes, that was definitely a bit off.

WickedsDesire -> RE: The past 5 GOP presidents have used fraud and treason to win (7/29/2017 8:17:11 AM)
I've vague recollections off it - perhaps it was you who said to me in the past it was illegally stopped my memory can be a bit fuzzy at times as all i seem to remember the recount was halted? Hes going fuking mental on his twitter account again Christ

CreativeDominant -> RE: The past 5 GOP presidents have used fraud and treason to win (7/29/2017 8:20:16 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: heavyblinker http://www.alternet.org/right-wing/gop-fraud-and-treason Nixon-negotiated with South Vietnam to extend the Vietnam war Ford- became president due to Nixon's treason Reagan-negotiated to make sure hostages in Iran wouldn't be released, then sold weapons to Iran. Bush 1- coasted through on Reagan's coattails Bush 2- stopped the recount that would have shown Al Gore to have won the 2000 election Trump is definitely a true Republican. Ah, an article written by a man who: Believes that President Kennedy's death was orchestrated by two Mafia godfathers Wrote an article titled "Talking Back to Talk Radio" which became part of the business plan for the "notably unbiased" Air America Has political beliefs described as "progressive/liberal", though he has described himself as part of the "radical middle" and a "democratic socialist" Yeah...his work is totally unbiased

WhoreMods -> RE: The past 5 GOP presidents have used fraud and treason to win (7/29/2017 8:21:11 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: WickedsDesire I've vague recollections off it - perhaps it was you who said to me in the past it was illegally stopped my memory can be a bit fuzzy at times as all i seem to remember the recount was halted? The recount was halted partway, and that's illegal in itself. (Under Florida state law a recount has to be all or nothing: you can't stop it after a few counties that voted the way you want, or rather you can, because Dubya's brother -Florida's state governor at the time, it should be remembered- did.) There were also questions raised about the Koch brothers organising a very well dressed riot to prevent the recount being restarted once it was stopped. quote: Hes going fuking mental on his twitter account again Christ Maybe it's raining in Florida and the little turd can't play any golf today?

heavyblinker -> RE: The past 5 GOP presidents have used fraud and treason to win (7/29/2017 8:59:09 AM)
You've accepted far less credible claims from far less credible sources. The only difference is that this one doesn't support what you want to believe.

CreativeDominant -> RE: The past 5 GOP presidents have used fraud and treason to win (7/29/2017 9:04:11 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: heavyblinker You've accepted far less credible claims from far less credible sources. The only difference is that this one doesn't support what you want to believe. Far less credible in your eyes, blinker. Come up with credible validation of his position on Kennedy's assassination...or anything else he believes...and then he's worth a second look. It's ironic...you noting that he doesn't support what I want to believe. Let's face it...the only reason you posted this is because it supports YOUR beliefs.

heavyblinker -> RE: The past 5 GOP presidents have used fraud and treason to win (7/29/2017 9:08:39 AM)
I think it supports what I want to believe, and does so credibly. Mostly because all of those things actually happened. I don't know is position on JFK and I don't trust you to be accurate about it... but whatever it is, it isn't related to what this thread is about. Unlike climate change, history is a topic where you can understand everything easily... so if you think he's wrong, prove it.

BamaD -> RE: The past 5 GOP presidents have used fraud and treason to win (7/29/2017 9:09:07 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: heavyblinker http://www.alternet.org/right-wing/gop-fraud-and-treason Nixon-negotiated with South Vietnam to extend the Vietnam war Ford- became president due to Nixon's treason Reagan-negotiated to make sure hostages in Iran wouldn't be released, then sold weapons to Iran. Bush 1- coasted through on Reagan's coattails Bush 2- stopped the recount that would have shown Al Gore to have won the 2000 election Trump is definitely a true Republican. A lie B a lie C a lie D in case you are bright enough to understand this riding coattails isn't against the law E You don't have the least comprehension of the 2000 election. The only recount that came out in Gores favor gave him all the libertarian vote. The gains were made in Dem areas and Gore didn't want to recount Rep areas. If you understood anything about statistics you would realize that recount of the rep districts would have gained for Bush.

BamaD -> RE: The past 5 GOP presidents have used fraud and treason to win (7/29/2017 9:13:12 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: WhoreMods quote: ORIGINAL: WickedsDesire guffaws Was that the Florida recount? There was something very off about that one. You mean the fact that it was illegally stopped? Yes, that was definitely a bit off. Gore wanted to cherry pick the recount so that only those places that would help him would be recounted.. It was stopped for 2 reasons A According to Fl law he ran out of time. B He didn't want a complete recount, only the Dem areas.

heavyblinker -> RE: The past 5 GOP presidents have used fraud and treason to win (7/29/2017 9:19:15 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: BamaD quote: ORIGINAL: heavyblinker http://www.alternet.org/right-wing/gop-fraud-and-treason Nixon-negotiated with South Vietnam to extend the Vietnam war Ford- became president due to Nixon's treason Reagan-negotiated to make sure hostages in Iran wouldn't be released, then sold weapons to Iran. Bush 1- coasted through on Reagan's coattails Bush 2- stopped the recount that would have shown Al Gore to have won the 2000 election Trump is definitely a true Republican. A lie B a lie C a lie D in case you are bright enough to understand this riding coattails isn't against the law E You don't have the least comprehension of the 2000 election. The only recount that came out in Gores favor gave him all the libertarian vote. The gains were made in Dem areas and Gore didn't want to recount Rep areas. If you understood anything about statistics you would realize that recount of the rep districts would have gained for Bush. Wow, just when I think you couldn't possibly be dumber, you prove to everyone that you don't even understand how cause and effect works. If Bush was elected because of Reagan, and Reagan was elected by extending a hostage crisis, then the hostage crisis got both of them elected. And just saying 'lie' is not an argument, it's avoiding reality.... but what else is new. At least you didn't use a strawman this time.

WhoreMods -> RE: The past 5 GOP presidents have used fraud and treason to win (7/29/2017 9:24:26 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: BamaD quote: ORIGINAL: WhoreMods quote: ORIGINAL: WickedsDesire guffaws Was that the Florida recount? There was something very off about that one. You mean the fact that it was illegally stopped? Yes, that was definitely a bit off. Gore wanted to cherry pick the recount so that only those places that would help him would be recounted.. It was stopped for 2 reasons A According to Fl law he ran out of time. B He didn't want a complete recount, only the Dem areas. You should stop farting through your teeth if you're going to accuse other people of lying. Gore didn't run out of time according to Florida law: the pussy conceded the election. The districts that were polled were juggled to favour Bush rather than Gore, and while Gore was keen to have the recount extended, Bush worked to stop it. (Hence the Brooks Brothers Riot was staged solely to stop a manual recount in one district.) And that's without all of the other crooked skulduggery that went on around that election to try to favour Bush...

WickedsDesire -> RE: The past 5 GOP presidents have used fraud and treason to win (7/29/2017 9:33:06 AM)
Its the sheer volume of lies Trump told and still tells to this day - this is something different in the modern epoch x all countries: it is Monstrous. I don't understand do you? Obamad I dont know enough about the recount - I remember it made the news across here - really dont want to read up on it all but am inclined to accept WM and HB at face value...never had to fact check them once - WM got something arse for elbow once but thats less than I do. However for a recount how much time does the State of Florida allow? I forget if all your states have the same duration - most likely they are all different. How many legal challenges were mounted?

CreativeDominant -> RE: The past 5 GOP presidents have used fraud and treason to win (7/29/2017 9:40:14 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: heavyblinker I think it supports what I want to believe, and does so credibly. Mostly because all of those things actually happened. I don't know is position on JFK and I don't trust you to be accurate about it... but whatever it is, it isn't related to what this thread is about. Unlike climate change, history is a topic where you can understand everything easily... so if you think he's wrong, prove it. He's your poster boy...prove him right with something other than MORE "radical middle" sources. As you said, it should be easy. By the way...the stuff about his Kennedy writings? It's a "non-fiction" novel he wrote. One highly praised by another liberal luminary...Gore Vidal. It's spoken of in the article about Thom Hartmann in Wiki. Go ahead and google and see if I got any of the things I wrote about him wrong.

Musicmystery -> RE: The past 5 GOP presidents have used fraud and treason to win (7/29/2017 9:46:06 AM)
It would be nice if we debated here on the merits of the points (should be easy if they're flawed, right?), instead of continual circumstantial ad hominem. There are no golden sources.

heavyblinker -> RE: The past 5 GOP presidents have used fraud and treason to win (7/29/2017 10:02:07 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: CreativeDominant quote: ORIGINAL: heavyblinker I think it supports what I want to believe, and does so credibly. Mostly because all of those things actually happened. I don't know is position on JFK and I don't trust you to be accurate about it... but whatever it is, it isn't related to what this thread is about. Unlike climate change, history is a topic where you can understand everything easily... so if you think he's wrong, prove it. He's your poster boy...prove him right with something other than MORE "radical middle" sources. As you said, it should be easy. By the way...the stuff about his Kennedy writings? It's a "non-fiction" novel he wrote. One highly praised by another liberal Lyme art...Gore Vidal. It's spoken of in the article about Thom Hartmann in Wiki. Go ahead and google and see if I got any of the things I wrote about him wrong. Ah, so you want me to prove him right using nothing but Limbaugh and Hannity. Nixon spoiled LBJ's peace talks for political gain: https://www.nytimes.com/2017/01/02/us/politics/nixon-tried-to-spoil-johnsons-vietnam-peace-talks-in-68-notes-show.html Reagan delayed the release of hostages in Iran for political gain: http://www.nytimes.com/1991/04/15/world/new-reports-say-1980-reagan-campaign-tried-to-delay-hostage-release.html

CreativeDominant -> RE: The past 5 GOP presidents have used fraud and treason to win (7/29/2017 10:16:28 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: heavyblinker quote: ORIGINAL: CreativeDominant quote: ORIGINAL: heavyblinker I think it supports what I want to believe, and does so credibly. Mostly because all of those things actually happened. I don't know is position on JFK and I don't trust you to be accurate about it... but whatever it is, it isn't related to what this thread is about. Unlike climate change, history is a topic where you can understand everything easily... so if you think he's wrong, prove it. He's your poster boy...prove him right with something other than MORE "radical middle" sources. As you said, it should be easy. By the way...the stuff about his Kennedy writings? It's a "non-fiction" novel he wrote. One highly praised by another liberal Lyme art...Gore Vidal. It's spoken of in the article about Thom Hartmann in Wiki. Go ahead and google and see if I got any of the things I wrote about him wrong. Ah, so you want me to prove him right using nothing but Limbaugh and Hannity. Nixon spoiled LBJ's peace talks for political gain: https://www.nytimes.com/2017/01/02/us/politics/nixon-tried-to-spoil-johnsons-vietnam-peace-talks-in-68-notes-show.html Reagan delayed the release of hostages in Iran for political gain: http://www.nytimes.com/1991/04/15/world/new-reports-say-1980-reagan-campaign-tried-to-delay-hostage-release.html If you knew me, you'd know I don't give a good damn who you use as long as its not a sore with a decidedly liberal/conservative bent. So no, I don't want you using Hannity or Limbaugh. Something other than the New York Times too. Somewhere between the two on this chart would be nice. https://qph.ec.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-9777f7aebd03ba75b9e73a82b509545e-c Perhaps the Wall Street Journal...it's still falls slightly to the left of the O so you should be fine.

heavyblinker -> RE: The past 5 GOP presidents have used fraud and treason to win (7/29/2017 10:24:44 AM)
So the New York Times is lying? Just because your audience leans left, it doesn't mean you have no credibility. I would never say FOX has no credibility simply because conservatives watch it. They have no credibility for many other reasons.

MrRodgers -> RE: The past 5 GOP presidents have used fraud and treason to win (7/29/2017 11:08:00 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: CreativeDominant quote: ORIGINAL: heavyblinker http://www.alternet.org/right-wing/gop-fraud-and-treason Nixon-negotiated with South Vietnam to extend the Vietnam war Ford- became president due to Nixon's treason Reagan-negotiated to make sure hostages in Iran wouldn't be released, then sold weapons to Iran. Bush 1- coasted through on Reagan's coattails Bush 2- stopped the recount that would have shown Al Gore to have won the 2000 election Trump is definitely a true Republican. Ah, an article written by a man who: Believes that President Kennedy's death was orchestrated by two Mafia godfathers Wrote an article titled "Talking Back to Talk Radio" which became part of the business plan for the "notably unbiased" Air America Has political beliefs described as "progressive/liberal", though he has described himself as part of the "radical middle" and a "democratic socialist" Yeah...his work is totally unbiased ...and again, as the right has done for 40 years...character assassination. I've seen the same documentaries and there are a few and they go deep into these last 5 repubs put in the white house.

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