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RE: Portland 'Sanctuary' Illegal Rapes Elderly Woman... - 7/30/2017 7:39:02 PM   
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So ICE was after him because of the rapes he hadn't committed yet?
Because of the breaking and entering I can only assume he already served time for?
No, they were after him for being here illegally, which is not a serious crime.

You can't arrest someone based on crimes you think they might commit or because you think their history suggests it could happen.


Crimes he had already committed.

Burglary

Breaking into people's homes. Which, as a heroin and meth addict, that was most likely not his first time

What did he do for an encore, on release? More burglaries, except during one of his burglaries he found an old helpless woman alone, who he savaged

WTF kind of a sick, twisted mindset, coddles criminals? A known addict, with a habit of burglarizing people's homes...







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RE: Portland 'Sanctuary' Illegal Rapes Elderly Woman... - 7/30/2017 8:03:53 PM   
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So ICE was after him because of the rapes he hadn't committed yet?
Because of the breaking and entering I can only assume he already served time for?
No, they were after him for being here illegally, which is not a serious crime.

You can't arrest someone based on crimes you think they might commit or because you think their history suggests it could happen.

And you don't think he should be deported even though he is a repeat offender of both immigration and
criminal law. He has a record that makes him in desirable. Don't you believe that a nation has the right to
to set qualifications to enter the country. You clearly do believe in borders. This would mean you do believe in nations.


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RE: Portland 'Sanctuary' Illegal Rapes Elderly Woman... - 7/30/2017 8:48:14 PM   
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Status: offline 		I don't care if he's an illegal alien or a human/Insectoid Hybrid. He is a rabid animal and should be shoved into a deep, fetid oubliette and the trapdoor locked and forgotten.

There are rehabs and halfway houses or other means in which to ease an ex con back into society, if they don't want to hand him over to ICE to be deported. Sending a habitual offender and drug addict out into society without taking some precautions is irresponsible.

If that was my mom that had been raped, I would already be talking to a lawyer about who to hold responsible and how best to make them pay. IF I could remain rational enough to seek legal means. I know a pig farm where he could disappear rather quickly.

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RE: Portland 'Sanctuary' Illegal Rapes Elderly Woman... - 7/30/2017 9:24:49 PM   
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I don't care if he's an illegal alien or a human/Insectoid Hybrid. He is a rabid animal and should be shoved into a deep, fetid oubliette and the trapdoor locked and forgotten.

There are rehabs and halfway houses or other means in which to ease an ex con back into society, if they don't want to hand him over to ICE to be deported. Sending a habitual offender and drug addict out into society without taking some precautions is irresponsible.

If that was my mom that had been raped, I would already be talking to a lawyer about who to hold responsible and how best to make them pay. IF I could remain rational enough to seek legal means. I know a pig farm where he could disappear rather quickly.




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RE: Portland 'Sanctuary' Illegal Rapes Elderly Woman... - 7/30/2017 9:38:37 PM   
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I don't care if he's an illegal alien or a human/Insectoid Hybrid. He is a rabid animal and should be shoved into a deep, fetid oubliette and the trapdoor locked and forgotten.

There are rehabs and halfway houses or other means in which to ease an ex con back into society, if they don't want to hand him over to ICE to be deported. Sending a habitual offender and drug addict out into society without taking some precautions is irresponsible.

If that was my mom that had been raped, I would already be talking to a lawyer about who to hold responsible and how best to make them pay. IF I could remain rational enough to seek legal means. I know a pig farm where he could disappear rather quickly.

I agree. As I said early on an animal like this should be fed to the ants.
If the law had been enforced properly it would have been prevented.

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RE: Portland 'Sanctuary' Illegal Rapes Elderly Woman... - 7/31/2017 2:26:19 AM   
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In other RWNJ news, white people never rape anyone ever.

Never even implied.


It is implied because Bosco is posting it.

Of course it is implied.

Remove the "illegal immigrant" from the thread title and what is left? 'Junkie rapes old woman'. Hideous but not thread material is it? Only by adding 'illegal immigrant' does this awful incident become thread material. And 'illegal immigrants' are never white are they?

Here in Oz we have a debate about immigration and illegal immigrants too. Ask anyone what an illegal immigrant is and they will tell you that illegal immigrants refers to a Muslim and/or an Asian. This despite the fact that the largest group of illegal immigrants here are visa over stayers from the UK and Ireland. This fact is ignored and it's firmly implanted in public consciousness that illegal immigrants are always non-whites, non-Christians from some part of Asia. I'm guessing that in the US, illegal immigrant always equates to Mexican/Latino or Asian too.

So yes this thread relies on a racist innuendo for its very existence.

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RE: Portland 'Sanctuary' Illegal Rapes Elderly Woman... - 7/31/2017 2:52:16 AM   
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ORIGINAL: tweakabelle

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ORIGINAL: heavyblinker

In other RWNJ news, white people never rape anyone ever.

Never even implied.


It is implied because Bosco is posting it.

Of course it is implied.

Remove the "illegal immigrant" from the thread title and what is left? 'Junkie rapes old woman'. Hideous but not thread material is it? Only by adding 'illegal immigrant' does this awful incident become thread material. And 'illegal immigrants' are never white are they?

Here in Oz we have a debate about immigration and illegal immigrants too. Ask anyone what an illegal immigrant is and they will tell you that illegal immigrants refers to a Muslim and/or an Asian. This despite the fact that the largest group of illegal immigrants here are visa over stayers from the UK and Ireland. This fact is ignored and it's firmly implanted in public consciousness that illegal immigrants are always non-whites, non-Christians from some part of Asia. I'm guessing that in the US, illegal immigrant always equates to Mexican/Latino or Asian too.

So yes this thread relies on a racist innuendo for its very existence.

To put your knowledge in perspective the vast majority of illegal immigrants are from Mexico and South America.

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RE: Portland 'Sanctuary' Illegal Rapes Elderly Woman... - 7/31/2017 4:47:09 AM   
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So ICE was after him because of the rapes he hadn't committed yet?
Because of the breaking and entering I can only assume he already served time for?
No, they were after him for being here illegally, which is not a serious crime.

You can't arrest someone based on crimes you think they might commit or because you think their history suggests it could happen.

And you don't think he should be deported even though he is a repeat offender of both immigration and
criminal law. He has a record that makes him in desirable. Don't you believe that a nation has the right to
to set qualifications to enter the country. You clearly do believe in borders. This would mean you do believe in nations.



Of course he should be deported.
I doubt he will be released from prison any time soon, though.

My point is that before the rape, his only crime was being in the US illegally.

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RE: Portland 'Sanctuary' Illegal Rapes Elderly Woman... - 7/31/2017 5:11:49 AM   
WickedsDesire


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eg the the thread begins with his/there usual political biased slant
From the most "liberal" pussyhat city in the nation:

The core part of the article is Prior to the July 24 arrest, Martinez's criminal record shows a felony conviction for burglary and three misdemeanor convictions for battery, theft, and obstructing a public officer. The court document also said he told investigators in March that he has a long history of using methamphetamine and was currently using on a daily basis. I left the last sentence in.

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RE: Portland 'Sanctuary' Illegal Rapes Elderly Woman... - 7/31/2017 6:58:23 AM   
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ORIGINAL: heavyblinker

So ICE was after him because of the rapes he hadn't committed yet?
Because of the breaking and entering I can only assume he already served time for?
No, they were after him for being here illegally, which is not a serious crime.

You can't arrest someone based on crimes you think they might commit or because you think their history suggests it could happen.

And you don't think he should be deported even though he is a repeat offender of both immigration and
criminal law. He has a record that makes him in desirable. Don't you believe that a nation has the right to
to set qualifications to enter the country. You clearly do believe in borders. This would mean you do believe in nations.



Of course he should be deported.
I doubt he will be released from prison any time soon, though.

My point is that before the rape, his only crime was being in the US illegally.

His crimes were serious enough and numerous enough that he shouldn't have been out.
And due to his status ICE should have been notified.
Your basic contention is that we do not have the right to control our own borders, which , if true, would mean we have no sovereignty.

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RE: Portland 'Sanctuary' Illegal Rapes Elderly Woman... - 7/31/2017 7:02:17 AM   
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Of course he should be deported.
I doubt he will be released from prison any time soon, though.

My point is that before the rape, his only crime was being in the US illegally.


No one is thicker than you

It was in the OP and it's been posted many times that he was a meth / heroin addict and a convicted burglar prior to this. After he was released from the burglary conviction they didn't tell ICE they were letting him go so he could be deported.

Meth addicts are notoriously unpredictable for their violence btw, and they just let him go

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RE: Portland 'Sanctuary' Illegal Rapes Elderly Woman... - 7/31/2017 7:15:16 AM   
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Of course he should be deported.
I doubt he will be released from prison any time soon, though.

My point is that before the rape, his only crime was being in the US illegally.


No one is thicker than you

It was in the OP and it's been posted many times that he was a meth / heroin addict and a convicted burglar prior to this. After he was released from the burglary conviction they didn't tell ICE they were letting him go so he could be deported.

Meth addicts are notoriously unpredictable for their violence btw, and they just let him go

He doesn't believe the US has the right to protect it's sovereignty, and the sad thing us he may not even realize that this is what he is arguing for.
Nobody asked for him to be sentenced, they just wanted ICE notified that an illegal felon was about to be released.

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RE: Portland 'Sanctuary' Illegal Rapes Elderly Woman... - 7/31/2017 7:41:22 AM   
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His crimes were serious enough and numerous enough that he shouldn't have been out.
And due to his status ICE should have been notified.
Your basic contention is that we do not have the right to control our own borders, which , if true, would mean we have no sovereignty.


Without a border we effectively have no law and order. Bring in all the meth you want, all the lead pipe, child porn, rare animal parts for tiger soup. Anything goes

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RE: Portland 'Sanctuary' Illegal Rapes Elderly Woman... - 7/31/2017 7:41:37 AM   
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I don't care if he's an illegal alien or a human/Insectoid Hybrid. He is a rabid animal and should be shoved into a deep, fetid oubliette and the trapdoor locked and forgotten. well said I forgot to mention that earlier :)

Any way back to the two above me
1. Do you believe liberals condone this Boscox?
2. What has this to do with Sovereignty Obamad?

and as I said my reading of the whole story was The core part of the article is Prior to the July 24 arrest, Martinez's criminal record shows a felony conviction for burglary and three misdemeanor convictions for battery, theft, and obstructing a public officer. The court document also said he told investigators in March that he has a long history of using methamphetamine and was currently using on a daily basis. I left the last sentence in.

There is nothing in that would stand out to me as rare behaviour. How many citizens % wise are guilty of that history?

What made him enraged?
Deporting him 20 times - was it
The fact he can get his hands on drugs
He is just a very bad man
A failure to listen, rehabilitate him, and cast him back into society

I mean whose fault is it and why?





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RE: Portland 'Sanctuary' Illegal Rapes Elderly Woman... - 7/31/2017 9:25:34 AM   
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You two above me I doubt heavyblinker is thick - quite the opposite

I don't care if he's an illegal alien or a human/Insectoid Hybrid. He is a rabid animal and should be shoved into a deep, fetid oubliette and the trapdoor locked and forgotten. well said I forgot to mention that earlier :)

Any way back to the two above me
1. Do you believe liberals condone this Boscox?
2. What has this to do with Sovereignty Obamad?

and as I said my reading of the whole story was The core part of the article is Prior to the July 24 arrest, Martinez's criminal record shows a felony conviction for burglary and three misdemeanor convictions for battery, theft, and obstructing a public officer. The court document also said he told investigators in March that he has a long history of using methamphetamine and was currently using on a daily basis. I left the last sentence in.

There is nothing in that would stand out to me as rare behaviour. How many citizens % wise are guilty of that history?

What made him enraged?
Deporting him 20 times - was it
The fact he can get his hands on drugs
He is just a very bad man
A failure to listen, rehabilitate him, and cast him back into society

I mean whose fault is it and why?





A key element of sovereignty is the power to control your borders. He thinks we should support sanctuary
cities which means we have no control over our borders, hen we do not have sovereignty. We in effect are
not a nation.
He is not stupid. He has made it clear in the past that he is extremely anti American and favors anything
that hurts us.
I do not claim that no citizen has ever done what he has, and I would want them in jail. Portland refused to enforce the law
for him, not because he hadn't violated it but because they favor open borders.

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RE: Portland 'Sanctuary' Illegal Rapes Elderly Woman... - 7/31/2017 6:13:47 PM   
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RE: Portland 'Sanctuary' Illegal Rapes Elderly Woman... - 7/31/2017 6:59:49 PM   
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Can i call you?

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You don't have my number. if you mean private message go ahead


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RE: Portland 'Sanctuary' Illegal Rapes Elderly Woman... - 7/31/2017 7:18:20 PM   
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I could Private email you my number? Which is 07757 901 443 James or for Americans +44 7757 901 443
I don’t bite.

Do you remember that shooting thread? Can you help me any more? And me and you disagree on guns

I dont understand


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RE: Portland 'Sanctuary' Illegal Rapes Elderly Woman... - 8/1/2017 7:45:51 AM   
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There is no you for my kindred to private message - I deal in reality, why would anyone want less?
I could Private email you my number? Which is 07757 901 443 James or for Americans +44 7757 901 443
I don’t bite.

Do you remember that shooting thread? Can you help me any more? And me and you disagree on guns

I dont understand



Do you mean the MN one?


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RE: Portland 'Sanctuary' Illegal Rapes Elderly Woman... - 8/1/2017 2:26:07 PM   
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So ICE was after him because of the rapes he hadn't committed yet?
Because of the breaking and entering I can only assume he already served time for?
No, they were after him for being here illegally, which is not a serious crime.

You can't arrest someone based on crimes you think they might commit or because you think their history suggests it could happen.

And you don't think he should be deported even though he is a repeat offender of both immigration and
criminal law. He has a record that makes him in desirable. Don't you believe that a nation has the right to
to set qualifications to enter the country. You clearly do believe in borders. This would mean you do believe in nations.



Of course he should be deported.
I doubt he will be released from prison any time soon, though.

My point is that before the rape, his only crime was being in the US illegally.

His crimes were serious enough and numerous enough that he shouldn't have been out.
And due to his status ICE should have been notified.
Your basic contention is that we do not have the right to control our own borders, which , if true, would mean we have no sovereignty.


I was wondering when the strawmen would show up.

After someone does their time, they are not a criminal anymore.
Local authorities do not enforce immigration law.

I HAVE NEVER SAID ANY COUNTRY HAS NO RIGHT TO CONTROL ITS BORDERS.

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