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Musicmystery -> A Continuum of Post-Romney Defeat GOP Meltdowns (8/3/2017 12:39:39 PM)

Since nostalgia seems to be the theme here, along with inevitability and denial . . .

A Continuum of Post-Romney Defeat GOP Meltdowns

If we want to know which way the Republican Party is headed after its big losses, it helps to look at how conservatives are explaining Mitt Romney's loss to themselves.

"This should have been a slam dunk," Rush Limbaugh said on Wednesday. "But it wasn't. There are reasons why. We're gonna have to dig deep to find them and we're gonna have to be honest with ourselves when we find the answers to this." From Republican pollsters to talking heads to activists, the reactions are on a continuum from analytical to thoughtful to insane. Here's a guide to the digging deep and not-so-deep:

How can we make minorities like us?

Because most of the pre-Election Day poll denialism was focused on demographics -- that there was no way the portion of the 2012 electorate that was black and Latino would be as high as in 2008, much less higher -- much of the post-Election Day soul-searching was focused on why the Republican Party is so unpopular with those groups.

At The Daily Beast, David Frum, who was outsed from the conservative movement for saying Republicans should have negotiated with President Obama on Obamacare, says that just being pro-immigration won't help the party. "It's necessary of course to refrain from insulting Latinos, or, for that matter, anybody," Frum writes. "But the crying need in the GOP is for a more middle-class orientation to politics, one that addresses concerns like healthcare as well as debts and deficits."

However, many prominent conservatives still in good standing failed to meet Frum's first requirement -- the no insults part -- even as they were talking about their unpopularity among those groups. On election night, Fox News' Bill O'Reilly said if Romney loses, it's because non-whites want free stuff.

"The demographics are changing. It's not a traditional America anymore. And 50 percent of the voting public who want stuff. They want things. And who is going to give them things? President Obama. Whereby 20 years ago, President Obama would have been roundly defeated by an establishment candidate like Mitt Romney. The white establishment is now the minority."

Rush Limbaugh, too, was at a loss to explain why minorities don't like the GOP. After all, he can name some black and Latino Republicans:

Let me take you back to the Republican convention. We had Suzanne Martinez, female Hispanic governor, New Mexico. We had Condoleezza Rice, African-American, former secretary of state. Both of those people imminently qualified, terrifically achieved... We had Marco Rubio. We had a parade of minorities who have become successful Americans... Now, why didn't that work, folks?

He continued with this theme later in the show:

It doesn't count with Obama voters about whom it is said that stuff matters most. It doesn't count. Why not? Why, putting it somewhat coarsely, why doesn't the Republican Party get credit for Condoleezza Rice?

https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2012/11/continuum-post-romney-defeat-gop-meltdowns/321629/

Clearly, they decided to double down on the insults instead.




WickedsDesire -> RE: A Continuum of Post-Romney Defeat GOP Meltdowns (8/3/2017 12:41:34 PM)

I do like the classics

I thought Frum was a cargo cult? And what do you look like anyway I have always wondered: women or man?




Musicmystery -> RE: A Continuum of Post-Romney Defeat GOP Meltdowns (8/3/2017 1:06:22 PM)

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WickedsDesire -> RE: A Continuum of Post-Romney Defeat GOP Meltdowns (8/3/2017 1:15:00 PM)

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Musicmystery -> RE: A Continuum of Post-Romney Defeat GOP Meltdowns (8/3/2017 2:19:22 PM)

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2) Look up personals

See if you can figure it out.




Wayward5oul -> RE: A Continuum of Post-Romney Defeat GOP Meltdowns (8/3/2017 2:26:11 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: WickedsDesire

Grow a brain and a mind and fall to your knees and behold me in awe non entity of a disgusting mess - is any of that true?

But I am not without out reason - I should go to the personals forum. Do tell me and all dear readers whyso.


After I post this, you are going back on hide dude. You spamming everything the way you do is ruining the forum experience for others.




WickedsDesire -> RE: A Continuum of Post-Romney Defeat GOP Meltdowns (8/3/2017 2:41:47 PM)

There is no you to my kindred. Perhaps you should crawl back your mums basement and howl away like a mad cunt into your bucket of howling plop jobbies...that goes for all like you and you will not be missed

I am :)
You kindred is not shame on all of you :(




Musicmystery -> RE: A Continuum of Post-Romney Defeat GOP Meltdowns (8/3/2017 3:37:17 PM)

In the minds of some conservatives, like Bill O'Reilly, this, unfortunately tied to their explanations for why Republicans are unpopular with minorities. But others don't make it a race thing. The whole country has gone to seed, Ann Coulter says. "If Mitt Romney cannot be elected, we've reached the tipping point. We have more takers than makers," a forlorn Coulter told conservative radio host Laura Ingraham on Wednesday. America "no longer is interested in conservative ideas. It is interested in handouts." The Israeli paper owned by Sheldon Adelson, the billionaire who blew so much money on the election, ran the headline, "America Chose Socialism."

Limbaugh hit on this theme too. "It's just very difficult to beat Santa Claus," he said. "People are not going to vote against Santa Claus, especially if the alternative is being your own Santa Claus." He continued that Obama supporters "think the Democrat Party's gonna punish the people who have unfairly gotten stuff that they shouldn't have. They got more stuff than other people have stuff and that stuff's gotta be redistributed."

It's not entirely about free stuff, says John Hayward at Human Events. "It’s really a battle of irresponsibility vs. freedom." He writes that conservatives must explain the true cost of free stuff, "A good portion of the middle-class 'free stuff' crowd, including quite a few of the working poor, would be much less receptive to Big Government if they appreciated that its financing is not a painless skimming of loot from bulging treasure vaults."

Was one of our own lying to us?

It's taken for granted that any campaign would feed a bunch of… let's call it malarkey to the press. But was the campaign feeding malarky to donors, too? Where does the malarkey line stop? Politico's James Hohmann and Anna Palmer report that Romney's loss "shocked many who had heard self-assured projections about voter enthusiasm and turnout in private conference calls and meetings in the campaign's final stretch."

Romney backers bought the poll deniers' argument that white voters would be a bigger portion of the electorate. But that didn't happen. In Ohio, for example, blacks were 15 percent of the electorate, up from 11 percent in 2008. Romney wasn't close to turning Pennsylvania red. Politico reports an anonymous Republican operative said, "I think Republicans are split right now between confused and shocked, and also I think they are wondering did the Romney campaign have numbers we didn’t have... Was last week a head fake, or were they just not that smart?"

Karl Rove's super PAC Crossroads USA spent $100 million this election, and couldn't win Senate seats or the presidency for Republicans. Rick Tyler, who worked for Todd Akin, told BuzzFeed's Rebecca Berg, "Rove spends more for Republican candidates than the NRSC and the NRCC. He's running things... Rove is definitely a problem." Of that $100 million wasted, Tyler said, "It's either malpractice or it's corrupt."




WickedsDesire -> RE: A Continuum of Post-Romney Defeat GOP Meltdowns (8/3/2017 3:41:45 PM)

All i want is someone to say hello to me :)




stef -> RE: A Continuum of Post-Romney Defeat GOP Meltdowns (8/3/2017 4:40:08 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: WickedsDesire

All i want is someone to say hello to me :)

How about a therapist? You should definitely say hello to one.




BoscoX -> RE: A Continuum of Post-Romney Defeat GOP Meltdowns (8/3/2017 4:41:46 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: Wayward5oul

quote:

ORIGINAL: WickedsDesire

Grow a brain and a mind and fall to your knees and behold me in awe non entity of a disgusting mess - is any of that true?

But I am not without out reason - I should go to the personals forum. Do tell me and all dear readers whyso.


After I post this, you are going back on hide dude. You spamming everything the way you do is ruining the forum experience for others.


Him and ManiacalMysey both

Trolls don't care though




WickedsDesire -> RE: A Continuum of Post-Romney Defeat GOP Meltdowns (8/3/2017 4:45:28 PM)

None ;) I am not suprsied

what about you imagine that pass?
imagine




WickedsDesire -> RE: A Continuum of Post-Romney Defeat GOP Meltdowns (8/3/2017 4:47:38 PM)

Imagine that pass




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