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ORIGINAL: CreativeDominant

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ORIGINAL: heavyblinker

I'm pretty sure this is fake simply because its liberal-bashing reads like standard-issue conservative ego porn

You mean much like the conservative-bashing meme that Lucy posted earlier? Or any of the conservative-bashing pieces you post? Or the commentary on MSNBC...CNN...NPR?

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ORIGINAL: CreativeDominant

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ORIGINAL: heavyblinker

I'm pretty sure this is fake simply because its liberal-bashing reads like standard-issue conservative ego porn

You mean much like the conservative-bashing meme that Lucy posted earlier? Or any of the conservative-bashing pieces you post? Or the commentary on MSNBC...CNN...NPR?

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ORIGINAL: CreativeDominant

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ORIGINAL: heavyblinker

I'm pretty sure this is fake simply because its liberal-bashing reads like standard-issue conservative ego porn

You mean much like the conservative-bashing meme that Lucy posted earlier? Or any of the conservative-bashing pieces you post? Or the commentary on MSNBC...CNN...NPR?

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ORIGINAL: BoscoX

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ORIGINAL: CreativeDominant

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ORIGINAL: heavyblinker

I'm pretty sure this is fake simply because its liberal-bashing reads like standard-issue conservative ego porn

You mean much like the conservative-bashing meme that Lucy posted earlier? Or any of the conservative-bashing pieces you post? Or the commentary on MSNBC...CNN...NPR?

He's got his filter set to "ignorant". The author has all kinds of cred, and everything she posted is dead on correct about the left

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ORIGINAL: CreativeDominant

Leaving the left

Before 9/11, I was liberal-left.
After 9/11, in the winter of 2001-2, like thousands - maybe millions - of others, I converted to libertarian-right.
Above all else, I was shocked by the left's response to 9/11. I was so naive as to think that the left I had grown up with hated fascism, especially religious fascism, and would be the first to join a war against it.
Instead they have emerged as the war's opponents, often with open sympathy for the fascists.
Secondly, I was impressed by the neo-conservative right's analysis of the problem (that it was not caused by poverty, for example), their understanding of human nature and of the mind of the enemy. Leaving the left is not about "selling out" to mortgages and money, or anything so mundane. It is about growing up and understanding better unchanging human nature and the bleak tragedy of the world.

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The war is beside the point, which is that not everyone chooses to be in denial about Muslim terrorism.

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176,000–189,000 people were killed in violence in the Iraq war, including 134,000 civilians (using Iraq Body Count's figures), according to the findings of the Costs of War Project, a team of 30 economists, anthropologists, political scientists, legal experts, and physicians assembled by Brown University and the Watson Institute to study the effects of wars involving the United States since 2001.

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ORIGINAL: heavyblinker

America has killed half a million in Iraq alone since 2004.

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-24547256

Terrorists are amateurs.

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Occasional, as in it is an every day occurrence

In the last month alone there were "only" 148 Muslim terror attacks in 24 countries, in which 906 people were killed and 880 injured.

On the date mentioned in the article almost 3000 were slaughtered, and thousands more were injured

Over 9,000 more

"Ho hum" only to leftist propagandists, and exactly the sort of thing the writer was referring to

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ORIGINAL: CreativeDominant

Leaving the left

Before 9/11, I was liberal-left.
After 9/11, in the winter of 2001-2, like thousands - maybe millions - of others, I converted to libertarian-right.
Above all else, I was shocked by the left's response to 9/11. I was so naive as to think that the left I had grown up with hated fascism, especially religious fascism, and would be the first to join a war against it.
Instead they have emerged as the war's opponents, often with open sympathy for the fascists.
Secondly, I was impressed by the neo-conservative right's analysis of the problem (that it was not caused by poverty, for example), their understanding of human nature and of the mind of the enemy. Leaving the left is not about "selling out" to mortgages and money, or anything so mundane. It is about growing up and understanding better unchanging human nature and the bleak tragedy of the world.

So this person decided to turn right because the left opposed the war in Iraq.

15 years on, and with the benefit of hindsight, guess who turned out to be correct? There were no WMDs, Iraq is in ruins, hundreds of thousands have died, trillions have gone down the gurgler, what's left of Iraq is now a province of Iran, the entire disaster spawned the hideous thugs of IS ..... and everyone with a functioning brain now agrees that the neo-con-inspired invasion of Iraq was an unmitigated catastrophe.

If this person had any intellectual honesty they would admit that their decision turned out to be the wrong one.

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ORIGINAL: CreativeDominant

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ORIGINAL: tweakabelle

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ORIGINAL: CreativeDominant

Leaving the left

Before 9/11, I was liberal-left.
After 9/11, in the winter of 2001-2, like thousands - maybe millions - of others, I converted to libertarian-right.
Above all else, I was shocked by the left's response to 9/11. I was so naive as to think that the left I had grown up with hated fascism, especially religious fascism, and would be the first to join a war against it.
Instead they have emerged as the war's opponents, often with open sympathy for the fascists.
Secondly, I was impressed by the neo-conservative right's analysis of the problem (that it was not caused by poverty, for example), their understanding of human nature and of the mind of the enemy. Leaving the left is not about "selling out" to mortgages and money, or anything so mundane. It is about growing up and understanding better unchanging human nature and the bleak tragedy of the world.

So this person decided to turn right because the left opposed the war in Iraq.

15 years on, and with the benefit of hindsight, guess who turned out to be correct? There were no WMDs, Iraq is in ruins, hundreds of thousands have died, trillions have gone down the gurgler, what's left of Iraq is now a province of Iran, the entire disaster spawned the hideous thugs of IS ..... and everyone with a functioning brain now agrees that the neo-con-inspired invasion of Iraq was an unmitigated catastrophe.

If this person had any intellectual honesty they would admit that their decision turned out to be the wrong one.

Actually, it wasn't the opposition to the war in Iraq that did it for her, it was the left's blaming of America for the 9/11 attack and it's support for the fanaticism that perpetrated it. Nice spin on her reason, though.

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Historically, there is a case to be made to lay responsibility on the West.

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America has killed half a million in Iraq alone since 2004.

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-24547256

Terrorists are amateurs.

From your article:

Iraq study estimates war-related deaths at 461,000

Not people "America has killed"

People who, for the most part, Muslim terrorists slaughtered

And they counted heart attacks and suicides and honor killings etc too - every naturally occurring death, they attributed to the liberation effort

How many people would Saddam have slaughtered by now? He was responsible for the slaughter of nearly a million prior to the Iraqi liberation