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BoscoX -> It's a soft coup. (8/5/2017 10:15:29 AM)


Maxine Waters Says Putin Needs to Be Impeached After Trump

(Or whoever the vice president is)

Who really believes they will stop there? This is the new normal - destroy the political opposition through attacks on them, their associates, their businesses, their family...





mnottertail -> RE: It's a soft coup. (8/5/2017 10:20:25 AM)

Oh, very old shit for nutsuckers, they have been doing it since they been nutsuckers way back since the senile St. Wrinklemeat disasters.

Actually, its a chicken coop, and you are the chickenshit.




tamaka -> RE: It's a soft coup. (8/5/2017 10:29:15 AM)

Yep... i said it 3 days ago. But anyways... it seems the General has ordered Ivanka out of the WH.




WhoreMods -> RE: It's a soft coup. (8/5/2017 10:47:42 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: BoscoX


Maxine Waters Says Putin Needs to Be Impeached After Trump

(Or whoever the vice president is)

Who really believes they will stop there? This is the new normal - destroy the political opposition through attacks on them, their associates, their businesses, their family...



If you find it objectionable now, why weren't you complaining when it was being normalised under the last presidency?




Hillwilliam -> RE: It's a soft coup. (8/5/2017 10:58:40 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: BoscoX




Who really believes they will stop there? This is the new normal - destroy the political opposition through attacks on them, their associates, their businesses, their family...



It's like the 90's all over again.




ThatDizzyChick -> RE: It's a soft coup. (8/5/2017 2:53:00 PM)

Oh dear. Really?

smh at the incredible stupidity required to post this OP




ThatDizzyChick -> RE: It's a soft coup. (8/5/2017 2:54:03 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: WhoreMods


quote:

ORIGINAL: BoscoX


Maxine Waters Says Putin Needs to Be Impeached After Trump

(Or whoever the vice president is)

Who really believes they will stop there? This is the new normal - destroy the political opposition through attacks on them, their associates, their businesses, their family...



If you find it objectionable now, why weren't you complaining when it was being normalised under the last presidency?

Or the one before, or the one before that, or the one before that, or the one before that, or...... well you get the idea.




ThatDizzyChick -> RE: It's a soft coup. (8/5/2017 2:57:53 PM)

As far as the idea of Pence being impeached as well, that all depends on why Trump was impeached. If it had to do with the Russia interference thing, then Pence's election itself would be equally trashed, so his impeachment should follow pro-forma (Hellooo there President Ryan), but if it was for something like getting caught lying under oath, or for blatantly interfering with the investigation, or a violation of the Emoluments clause, that would not necessarily impact Pence's legitimacy as VP, and thus his ascending to the Presidency.




Lucylastic -> RE: It's a soft coup. (8/5/2017 2:58:14 PM)

If The United States Was a Third-World Nation, We Might Suspect There Was a Silent Coup Happening
August 4th, 2017
https://www.mediaite.com/columnists/if-the-united-states-was-a-third-world-nation-we-might-suspect-there-was-a-silent-coup-happening/

The widely popular ESPN 30 for 30 documentary series always begins their promos with the line, “What if I told you…?” Well, in that same vein, though with my tongue firmly planted in my cheek (I think), “what if I told you?” the following facts about a third-world country…

-They have a charismatic and tough-talking populist president who was recently elected in a massive upset which was condemned by most of his country’s “establishment.”

-This president has failed to get any major laws through his legislature, despite his own party being in control of both bodies.

-He recently had his Chief of Staff suddenly resign and be replaced by a former military general.

-This president announced a major change in policy for military personal and there is no sign that his highly-publicized order has yet to be implemented.

-This president’s hand-selected Director of Communications (who publicly warned that there are people close to this president who were trying to “save” their nation from him), was forced out by this former general after only eleven days on the job and was escorted off the property.

-Several of this president’s cronies have just been removed from his National Security Council by a military general whom his supporters loathe.

-This president has publicly chastised his country’s chief law enforcement official, a loyal political ally, and was rumored to be ready to fire him, but that shows no sign of actually happening and it appears the new Chief of Staff has forbidden any such action.

-It was recently leaked to the media, apparently by very close aides, that this president helped his son write a false cover story to explain a possibly criminal meeting during his campaign with representatives from a foreign adversarial power.

-This country’s legislature overwhelmingly approved sanctions on this same foreign power and specifically curtailed the power of their president to change these sanctions.

-This president, clearly under great duress, finally signed this sanctions bill into law, but not until after complaining greatly about doing so.

-This adversarial foreign power then called this president “impotent,” and this president responded by blaming his own legislature for the poor state of their relations with them.

-The transcripts of two key and very embarrassing phone calls this president had with foreign leaders are then also leaked to the media.

-A Special Counsel, empowered to investigate this president’s campaign dealings with this adversarial foreign power, then empaneled a Grand Jury in the very city where this president (sometimes) resides.

-Prominent members of this president’s own party made it publicly clear that any effort by this president to fire this Special Counsel will be met with extraordinary efforts to stop this from happening.

-This president’s security detail announced that it was abandoning protection of his personal residence.

-His legislature, before going on summer recess, made a special effort, in a unanimous decision, to prevent this president from using a key power while they are gone.

Well, if you heard all of that about some small foreign nation, you would probably conclude that this president was, at the very least, in very serious trouble. You might even assume that he was in the process of being removed from office in some sort of silent coup.

If you wanted to engage in this inconceivably fantastical conspiracy theory (with all the leaks in D.C. these days it would obviously be impossible to keep this remotely quiet), there is even a motive, or tipping event, to trigger it which fits the timeline rather well. Obviously it must have been Trump’s recent bizarre meeting with military leaders on Afghanistan which finally convinced them he needed to be neutralized.

The point I am trying to make here is NOT that this conspiracy theory is real (I am, as a rule, an ardently ANTI-conspiracy person). But rather that it is fascinating to realize how much of our perspective on events is shaped by the prism through which we view them.

Because we rightly think of the United States as a place where nothing like this could ever possibly happen, it never even occurs to us that it even might be. Even though if the very same facts were present elsewhere, it would appear rather obvious that it was.

So, no, I don’t believe that Trump is in the process of being removed from office by those around him who fear for the future of the country if he stays. However, in the long run, he is still in big trouble.


Just another "soft coup" opinion./....




BoscoX -> RE: It's a soft coup. (8/5/2017 3:05:21 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: ThatDizzyChick

Or the one before, or the one before that, or the one before that, or the one before that, or...... well you get the idea.


Hardly a word was breathed among the Washington elites against the crimes of Obama. Fast and Furious, the IRS scandal, his AG meeting with Bill Clinton on the tarmac to work out the details of fixing her investigation...

No one in power breathed a word against Obama's real crimes, for fear of being called racist.




BoscoX -> RE: It's a soft coup. (8/5/2017 3:06:26 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: ThatDizzyChick

As far as the idea of Pence being impeached as well, that all depends on why Trump was impeached. If it had to do with the Russia interference thing, then Pence's election itself would be equally trashed, so his impeachment should follow pro-forma (Hellooo there President Ryan), but if it was for something like getting caught lying under oath, or for blatantly interfering with the investigation, or a violation of the Emoluments clause, that would not necessarily impact Pence's legitimacy as VP, and thus his ascending to the Presidency.


So... It IS about overturning the election results, with zero proof that "the Russians" made any difference

Thank you for admitting it

Or, where is the proof?

(Going fishing for proof doesn't count. Just proves my point.)




bounty44 -> RE: It's a soft coup. (8/5/2017 4:37:13 PM)

"Krauthammer: 'We're Headed Into Dangerous Constitutional Waters'"

[oh no comrades, fox news and town hall!]

quote:

“I think we’re really headed into very choppy and dangerous constitutional waters,” Krauthammer said. “We know what the Democrats want to do. They want to get control of the House and on day one they’re going to start impeachment. Now I happen to think, as you know, I opposed the Trump candidacy. I don’t think he’s very well fit for the presidency. But fitness is not a reason for impeachment and removal. High crimes are. Here, we have a prosecutor looking for high crimes. With Watergate you started with a crime and then you try to find out how it happened. Here, they’re looking for a crime. Perhaps they’ll find one, I don’t know. As of yet I haven’t heard of one. [Charles should read the forums here so as to inform himself of the "many violations of the law" trump's committed!] Collusion is unseemly but it ain't a crime.”

“So, you’ve got a political establishment, mostly Democratic but there are some Republicans, who would like to see him taken out of office,” he continued. “I think that would be a catastrophic mistake. It would cause a rupture in the country where people would say ‘When we people, the ones who’ve been abandoned, elect somebody we like, our guy gets taken out? I thought we had a stable democracy.’”

Krauthammer stressed the importance of our democratic process.

“Again, I think he’s unfit but that’s not the grounds for removal,” Krauthammer said. “What it means is, if you think a man is unfit, you vote against him. But you don’t remove him from office and that’s where I’m afraid we are headed given the forces that are surrounding the president. I just hope that cooler heads prevail. There will be another election – there always are – people can make their choices.


https://townhall.com/tipsheet/leahbarkoukis/2017/08/04/krauthammer-dangerous-constitutional-waters-n2364488




BoscoX -> RE: It's a soft coup. (8/5/2017 4:42:18 PM)


Goes without saying that we are headed to a civil war if our votes no longer count toward choosing our presidents




servantforuse -> RE: It's a soft coup. (8/5/2017 4:47:07 PM)

Lying under oath, in front of a federal grand jury. Just like Bill Clinton did.




heavyblinker -> RE: It's a soft coup. (8/5/2017 5:38:26 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: BoscoX
Goes without saying that we are headed to a civil war if our votes no longer count toward choosing our presidents


The fact that you exist proves democracy is impossible in the US.
There are too many people who are painfully uninformed/misinformed and incapable of critical thought.

You aren't really the one doing the voting, the people manipulating you are.




BoscoX -> RE: It's a soft coup. (8/5/2017 5:56:02 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: heavyblinker

quote:

ORIGINAL: BoscoX
Goes without saying that we are headed to a civil war if our votes no longer count toward choosing our presidents


The fact that you exist proves democracy is impossible in the US.
There are too many people who are painfully uninformed/misinformed and incapable of critical thought.

You aren't really the one doing the voting, the people manipulating you are.


You are a moron.

We are not, nor have have we ever been a democracy, and for good reason.




heavyblinker -> RE: It's a soft coup. (8/5/2017 6:06:08 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: BoscoX

quote:

ORIGINAL: heavyblinker

quote:

ORIGINAL: BoscoX
Goes without saying that we are headed to a civil war if our votes no longer count toward choosing our presidents


The fact that you exist proves democracy is impossible in the US.
There are too many people who are painfully uninformed/misinformed and incapable of critical thought.

You aren't really the one doing the voting, the people manipulating you are.


You are a moron.

We are not, nor have have we ever been a democracy, and for good reason.


Yeah, it's a republic... calling it a democracy is a habit, but everyone already knows nobody votes for policy directly so pointing it out is just petty.

What I should have said is that you're too ignorant for any system in which voting takes place or you are allowed any contribution, however miniscule, to the decision-making process.




Hillwilliam -> RE: It's a soft coup. (8/5/2017 6:07:22 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: BoscoX


Goes without saying that we are headed to a civil war if our votes no longer count toward choosing our presidents

Like the almost 3 Million plurality that voted Against Mr. Trump?[8|]




heavyblinker -> RE: It's a soft coup. (8/5/2017 6:09:05 PM)

Not that it was needed, but the fact that you just built a troll thread around a Freudian slip shows how much you drag this forum down.
Then again, this is the kind of news you consume, so it's no wonder you are the way you are.




Musicmystery -> RE: It's a soft coup. (8/5/2017 7:06:12 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: bounty44

"Krauthammer: 'We're Headed Into Dangerous Constitutional Waters'"

[oh no comrades, fox news and town hall!]

quote:

“I think we’re really headed into very choppy and dangerous constitutional waters,” Krauthammer said. “We know what the Democrats want to do. They want to get control of the House and on day one they’re going to start impeachment. Now I happen to think, as you know, I opposed the Trump candidacy. I don’t think he’s very well fit for the presidency. But fitness is not a reason for impeachment and removal. High crimes are. Here, we have a prosecutor looking for high crimes. With Watergate you started with a crime and then you try to find out how it happened. Here, they’re looking for a crime. Perhaps they’ll find one, I don’t know. As of yet I haven’t heard of one. [Charles should read the forums here so as to inform himself of the "many violations of the law" trump's committed!] Collusion is unseemly but it ain't a crime.”

“So, you’ve got a political establishment, mostly Democratic but there are some Republicans, who would like to see him taken out of office,” he continued. “I think that would be a catastrophic mistake. It would cause a rupture in the country where people would say ‘When we people, the ones who’ve been abandoned, elect somebody we like, our guy gets taken out? I thought we had a stable democracy.’”

Krauthammer stressed the importance of our democratic process.

“Again, I think he’s unfit but that’s not the grounds for removal,” Krauthammer said. “What it means is, if you think a man is unfit, you vote against him. But you don’t remove him from office and that’s where I’m afraid we are headed given the forces that are surrounding the president. I just hope that cooler heads prevail. There will be another election – there always are – people can make their choices.


https://townhall.com/tipsheet/leahbarkoukis/2017/08/04/krauthammer-dangerous-constitutional-waters-n2364488

The Democrats don't want Pence.

Trump is safe because of that.




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