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FAITH - 8/8/2017 10:46:27 AM   
tamaka


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Status: offline 		Faith is an interesting concept. There are various developmental phases of faith with the most 'advanced' being enlightenment. I think a lot of the discussions people have (here and other places) are interesting because different people are at different points in their development of faith. Different religions themselves are 'stuck' in particular phases of faith.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Faith
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RE: FAITH - 8/8/2017 11:02:46 AM   
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You are aware all these types of threads tend to run for a while?


That definition of Faith is flawed - just saying :) And sophistry spring to a mind such is mine.

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RE: FAITH - 8/8/2017 11:09:20 AM   
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There is no single ‘established’ terminology for different models of faith. A brief initial characterisation of the principal models of faith and their nomenclature as they feature in this discussion may nevertheless be helpful—they are:

the ‘purely affective’ model: faith as a feeling of existential confidence

the ‘special knowledge’ model: faith as knowledge of specific truths, revealed by God

the ‘belief’ model: faith as belief that God exists (where the object of belief is a certain proposition)

the ‘trust’ model: faith as believing in (in the sense of trusting in) God (where the object of belief or trust is not a proposition, but God ‘himself’)

the ‘doxastic venture’ model: faith as practical commitment beyond the evidence to one’s belief that God exists

‘sub-’ and ‘non-doxastic venture’ models: faith as practical commitment to a relevant positively evaluated truth-claim, yet without belief

the ‘hope’ model: faith as hoping—or acting in the hope that—the God who saves exists.

The entry proceeds dialectically.........

faith in reason and science

sadly they always leave the poe atheists out, well sorta, they did include them but they wont understand how as stated above

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RE: FAITH - 8/8/2017 12:17:29 PM   
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ORIGINAL: tamaka

Faith is an interesting concept. There are various developmental phases of faith with the most 'advanced' being enlightenment. I think a lot of the discussions people have (here and other places) are interesting because different people are at different points in their development of faith. Different religions themselves are 'stuck' in particular phases of faith.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Faith

Enlightenment is the start of a new phase of development, not the most advanced.

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RE: FAITH - 8/8/2017 12:18:44 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Musicmystery


quote:

ORIGINAL: tamaka

Faith is an interesting concept. There are various developmental phases of faith with the most 'advanced' being enlightenment. I think a lot of the discussions people have (here and other places) are interesting because different people are at different points in their development of faith. Different religions themselves are 'stuck' in particular phases of faith.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Faith

Enlightenment is the start of a new phase of development, not the most advanced.


True. I don't think there is a term for after enlightenment occurs. Is there?

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RE: FAITH - 8/8/2017 12:20:35 PM   
Musicmystery


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As Alan Watts said, if religion is the opiate of the masses, then the Hindus have the best dope.

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RE: FAITH - 8/8/2017 1:42:11 PM   
WickedsDesire


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are you?

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RE: FAITH - 8/8/2017 1:47:40 PM   
tamaka


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ORIGINAL: Musicmystery

Dozens. There's a complicated chain.

As Alan Watts said, if religion is the opiate of the masses, then the Hindus have the best dope.


Is there one that transcends the idea of 'religion'?

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RE: FAITH - 8/8/2017 1:54:20 PM   
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How does one transcend nonsense or fallacies?



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RE: FAITH - 8/8/2017 2:07:15 PM   
tamaka


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ORIGINAL: WickedsDesire

What do you mean by that - care to explain?

How does one transcend nonsense or fallacies?




You experience it.

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RE: FAITH - 8/8/2017 2:23:32 PM   
Real0ne


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Status: offline 		re the OP its not a particular phase of faith, its particular variant of faith. In the final analysis even science is reliant upon faith.

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Democracy; The 'People' voted on 'which' amendment?

Yesterdays tinfoil is today's reality!

"No man's life, liberty, or property is safe while the legislature is in session

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RE: FAITH - 8/8/2017 2:27:14 PM   
WickedsDesire


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We SAtuRaTe yOur aLPHA brain WAveS, ThIs is nOt A DrEAm The wiZaRd of Oz, shoES, CaLcuLUs, DECorAtiNG, FrIDGE SProcKeTs, be VeRy sCareDed – SLoBbers,We DeEManDErs Sloowee DAnCiNG, SmOOches – whisper whisper & CaAkEE

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RE: FAITH - 8/8/2017 2:28:29 PM   
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wE arE tHe voiCes,
We SAtuRaTe yOur aLPHA brain WAveS, ThIs is nOt A DrEAm The wiZaRd of Oz, shoES, CaLcuLUs, DECorAtiNG, FrIDGE SProcKeTs, be VeRy sCareDed – SLoBbers,We DeEManDErs Sloowee DAnCiNG, SmOOches – whisper whisper & CaAkEE

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