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Musicmystery -> RE: Republicans slowly realize Trump may be worst president ever (8/14/2017 11:12:43 AM)

Since Saturday, Trump's disapproval rate has jumped 27%.

President Trump Job Approval Gallup Approve 34, Disapprove 61 Disapprove +27




BoscoX -> RE: Republicans slowly realize Trump may be worst president ever (8/14/2017 11:25:42 AM)


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ORIGINAL: Musicmystery

Since Saturday, Trump's disapproval rate has jumped 27%.

President Trump Job Approval Gallup Approve 34, Disapprove 61 Disapprove +27


Do they still have Hillary as "inevitable"




mnottertail -> RE: Republicans slowly realize Trump may be worst president ever (8/14/2017 11:25:45 AM)

so his disapproval was only in the 30s prior? Hmmm.

Well, some of the republicans are reeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeally slow, of course.




Made2Obey -> RE: Republicans slowly realize Trump may be worst president ever (8/14/2017 11:29:15 AM)


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... ours is also a society that tolerates, even treasures, diversity...


That's only true for those on the left. The right that elected Trump pretty much hate diversity.
If you are going to "get it" you need to understand that first off.




Musicmystery -> RE: Republicans slowly realize Trump may be worst president ever (8/14/2017 11:32:32 AM)

If you put that back in the context you ripped it from, and actually read it this time, you'll see that it was what Trump could have said that on the one hand appealed to the far right and on the other hand spoke to the rest.

That it's a lie is a given coming from Trump's lips. Again, it was a post about what he could have done.

Instead, he was his usual inept self.




Made2Obey -> RE: Republicans slowly realize Trump may be worst president ever (8/14/2017 11:38:55 AM)

If he was the man you seem to believe he is, Trump could have as easily said, "I'm sick of this crap, get 'em boys."
Clearly he's more inclusive than you think.




Musicmystery -> RE: Republicans slowly realize Trump may be worst president ever (8/14/2017 11:40:55 AM)

Again, if you're not going to bother to read what's actually there, your response will continue to make no sense.




Made2Obey -> RE: Republicans slowly realize Trump may be worst president ever (8/14/2017 12:04:39 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Musicmystery

Since Saturday, Trump's disapproval rate has jumped 27%.

President Trump Job Approval Gallup Approve 34, Disapprove 61 Disapprove +27


Oh yeah, Gallup, who had Dewey over Truman, Ford over Carter, Romney over Obama, and Clinton over Trump.
Better take everything they say as gospel.

Lincoln was also elected by the Electoral College and not by the popular vote. Had Gallup been around in the 1860s they'd likely have had him at 80% disapproval. He didn't gain great popularity until after his death after all.

One does not need to be popular to be a good president.




Musicmystery -> RE: Republicans slowly realize Trump may be worst president ever (8/14/2017 12:14:05 PM)

Didn't say that either. Little slow on the reading comprehension.

Btw, even Rasmussen had Trump's disapproval up to 55%, up 12% -- and they only exist to suck GOP ass.




Hillwilliam -> RE: Republicans slowly realize Trump may be worst president ever (8/14/2017 12:18:06 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Made2Obey

If he was the man you seem to believe he is, Trump could have as easily said, "I'm sick of this crap, get 'em boys."
Clearly he's more inclusive than you think.

I seem to remember him doing just that at a campaign rally.




Made2Obey -> RE: Republicans slowly realize Trump may be worst president ever (8/14/2017 12:21:40 PM)

If popularity is the measure of a good president then Beyoncé should be leading our nation.




Made2Obey -> RE: Republicans slowly realize Trump may be worst president ever (8/14/2017 12:24:32 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Hillwilliam


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ORIGINAL: Made2Obey

If he was the man you seem to believe he is, Trump could have as easily said, "I'm sick of this crap, get 'em boys."
Clearly he's more inclusive than you think.

I seem to remember him doing just that at a campaign rally.


He was a private citizen then. One thing for a citizen to speak that way, quite another for a president.
But you just demonstrated that Trump has learned more restraint while in office.




BoscoX -> RE: Republicans slowly realize Trump may be worst president ever (8/14/2017 12:27:04 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Made2Obey


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ORIGINAL: Hillwilliam


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ORIGINAL: Made2Obey

If he was the man you seem to believe he is, Trump could have as easily said, "I'm sick of this crap, get 'em boys."
Clearly he's more inclusive than you think.

I seem to remember him doing just that at a campaign rally.


He was a private citizen then. One thing for a citizen to speak that way, quite another for a president.
But you just demonstrated that Trump has learned more restraint while in office.


That was about leftist howlers who were throwing things that could have been spiked with razors or even explosives or whatever

What Trump said was, if you see someone getting ready to throw something then let them have it

Entirely reasonable, despite the insane leftist howlers who pretend otherwise




Musicmystery -> RE: Republicans slowly realize Trump may be worst president ever (8/14/2017 12:27:13 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Hillwilliam


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ORIGINAL: Made2Obey

If he was the man you seem to believe he is, Trump could have as easily said, "I'm sick of this crap, get 'em boys."
Clearly he's more inclusive than you think.

I seem to remember him doing just that at a campaign rally.

In fact, he only finally spoke out today because he got himself in trouble shooting off his mouth:

Trump, Saying ‘Racism Is Evil,’ Condemns Violence in Charlottesville

WASHINGTON — President Donald Trump bowed to overwhelming pressure that he personally condemn white supremacists who incited bloody demonstrations in Charlottesville, Va., over the weekend, labeling their racist views “evil” after two days of equivocal statements.

“Racism is evil,” Mr. Trump said. “And those who cause violence in its name are criminals and thugs, including the K.K.K., neo-Nazis, white supremacists and other hate groups that are repugnant to everything we hold dear as Americans.”

Several of the president’s top advisers, including his new Chief of Staff John F. Kelly, pressed Mr. Trump to issue a more forceful rebuke after his comment on Saturday that the violence in Charlottesville was initiated by “many sides,” prompting nearly universal criticism.

That pressure reached boiling point early Monday after the president attacked the head of the pharmaceuticals company Merck, who is black, for quitting an advisory board over his failure to call out white nationalists.

Merck’s chief executive, Kenneth C. Frazier, resigned from the president’s American Manufacturing Council on Monday, saying he objected to the president’s statement on Saturday blaming violence that left one woman dead on “many sides.”

“America’s leaders must honor our fundamental views by clearly rejecting expressions of hatred, bigotry and group supremacy, which run counter to the American ideal that all people are created equal,” Mr. Frazier said in a tweet announcing he was stepping down from the panel. Mr. Frazier is one of just a handful of black chief executives of a Fortune 500 company.

Less than hour later, Mr. Trump, responded on social media as he departed his golf resort in Bedminster, N.J., for a day trip back to Washington: "Now that Ken Frazier of Merck Pharma has resigned from the President's Manufacturing Council, he will have more time to lower ripoff drug prices!"

Mr. Trump’s shot at one of the country’s best-known black executives prompted an immediate outpouring of support for Mr. Frazier from major figures in business, media and politics. “Thanks @Merck Ken Frazier for strong leadership to stand up for the moral values that made this country what it is,” Paul Polman, the chief executive of Unilever, wrote on Twitter.

It’s not unusual for Mr. Trump to attack, via Twitter, any public figure who ridicules, criticizes or even mildly questions his actions. But his decision to take on Mr. Frazier, a self-made multimillionaire who rose from a modest childhood in Philadelphia to attend Harvard Law School, was extraordinary given the wide-ranging criticism he has faced from both parties for not forcefully denouncing the neo-Nazis and Klan sympathizers who rampaged in Charlottesville.

Mr. Frazier appeared next to Mr. Trump at the White House just last month to announce an agreement among drug makers that would create 1,000 jobs.

He is only the second African-American executive to lead a major pharmaceutical firm.

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/08/14/us/politics/trump-charlottesville-protest.html?hp&action=click&pgtype=Homepage&clickSource=story-heading&module=a-lede-package-region®ion=top-news&WT.nav=top-news




tamaka -> RE: Republicans slowly realize Trump may be worst president ever (8/14/2017 12:29:49 PM)

There is no means for us to judge ultimately, how Trump will rate as President.




Lucylastic -> RE: Republicans slowly realize Trump may be worst president ever (8/14/2017 12:29:49 PM)


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ORIGINAL: BoscoX


Godwin's law

From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

American attorney and author Mike Godwin coined his eponymous law on Usenet in 1990

Godwin's law (or Godwin's rule of Hitler analogies)[1][2] is an Internet adage that asserts that "As an online discussion grows longer, the probability of a comparison involving Hitler approaches 1."[2][3]‍—‌that is, if an online discussion (regardless of topic or scope) goes on long enough, sooner or later someone will compare someone or something to Hitler or his deeds.

Promulgated by American attorney and author Mike Godwin in 1990,[2] Godwin's law originally referred specifically to Usenet newsgroup discussions.[4] It is now applied to any threaded online discussion, such as Internet forums, chat rooms, and comment threads, as well as to speeches, articles, and other rhetoric[5][6] where reductio ad Hitlerum occurs.

In 2012, "Godwin's law" became an entry in the third edition of the Oxford English Dictionary.[7]

Generalization, corollaries, usage[edit]

With respect to probability theory, Godwin's law becomes a special case of a Bernoulli trial.

Indeed, there are many corollaries to Godwin's law, some considered more canonical (by being adopted by Godwin himself)[3] than others.[1] For example, there is a tradition in many newsgroups and other Internet discussion forums that once such a comparison is made, the thread is finished and whoever mentioned Hitler has automatically lost whatever debate was in progress.[8] This principle is itself frequently referred to as Godwin's law.[citation needed]

Godwin's law itself can be abused as a distraction, diversion or even as censorship, fallaciously miscasting an opponent's argument as hyperbole when the comparisons made by the argument are actually appropriate.[9][10] Similar criticisms of the "law" (or "at least the distorted version which purports to prohibit all comparisons to German crimes") have been made by American lawyer, journalist and author Glenn Greenwald.[11]

History[edit]

Godwin has stated that he introduced Godwin's law in 1990 as an experiment in memetics.[2]

Godwin's law does not claim to articulate a fallacy; it is instead framed as a memetic tool to reduce the incidence of inappropriate hyperbolic comparisons. "Although deliberately framed as if it were a law of nature or of mathematics, its purpose has always been rhetorical and pedagogical: I wanted folks who glibly compared someone else to Hitler to think a bit harder about the Holocaust", Godwin has written.[12] In December 2015, Godwin commented on the Nazi and fascist comparisons being made by several articles on Republican presidential candidate Donald Trump, saying that "If you're thoughtful about it and show some real awareness of history, go ahead and refer to Hitler when you talk about Trump. Or any other politician."[13] On August 13, 2017, Godwin made similar remarks on social networking websites Facebook and Twitter with respect to the two previous days' Unite the Right rally in Charlottesville, Virginia, endorsing and encouraging efforts to compare its alt-right organizers to Nazis.[14][15]

See also[edit]
icon Internet portal
Philosophy portal
Association fallacy
List of adages named after people
Straw man fallacy
Think of the children
Reductio ad Hitlerum


Mike Godwins latest tweets
By all means, compare these shitheads to Nazis. Again and again. I'm with you
.
Referencing the Nazis when talking about racist white nationalists does not raise a particularly difficult taxonomic problem.


http://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/gadgets-and-tech/news/godwins-law-mike-godwin-internet-hitler-charlottesville-virginia-donald-trump-a7892171.html




Musicmystery -> RE: Republicans slowly realize Trump may be worst president ever (8/14/2017 12:32:17 PM)

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ORIGINAL: tamaka

There is no means for us to judge ultimately, how Trump will rate as President.

Try that at your next performance review.

So far, he's fucking up so badly that people are talking about that instead of N. Korea's nukes.




BoscoX -> RE: Republicans slowly realize Trump may be worst president ever (8/14/2017 12:36:18 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Lucylastic


quote:

ORIGINAL: BoscoX


Godwin's law

From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

American attorney and author Mike Godwin coined his eponymous law on Usenet in 1990

Godwin's law (or Godwin's rule of Hitler analogies)[1][2] is an Internet adage that asserts that "As an online discussion grows longer, the probability of a comparison involving Hitler approaches 1."[2][3]‍—‌that is, if an online discussion (regardless of topic or scope) goes on long enough, sooner or later someone will compare someone or something to Hitler or his deeds.

Promulgated by American attorney and author Mike Godwin in 1990,[2] Godwin's law originally referred specifically to Usenet newsgroup discussions.[4] It is now applied to any threaded online discussion, such as Internet forums, chat rooms, and comment threads, as well as to speeches, articles, and other rhetoric[5][6] where reductio ad Hitlerum occurs.

In 2012, "Godwin's law" became an entry in the third edition of the Oxford English Dictionary.[7]

Generalization, corollaries, usage[edit]

With respect to probability theory, Godwin's law becomes a special case of a Bernoulli trial.

Indeed, there are many corollaries to Godwin's law, some considered more canonical (by being adopted by Godwin himself)[3] than others.[1] For example, there is a tradition in many newsgroups and other Internet discussion forums that once such a comparison is made, the thread is finished and whoever mentioned Hitler has automatically lost whatever debate was in progress.[8] This principle is itself frequently referred to as Godwin's law.[citation needed]

Godwin's law itself can be abused as a distraction, diversion or even as censorship, fallaciously miscasting an opponent's argument as hyperbole when the comparisons made by the argument are actually appropriate.[9][10] Similar criticisms of the "law" (or "at least the distorted version which purports to prohibit all comparisons to German crimes") have been made by American lawyer, journalist and author Glenn Greenwald.[11]

History[edit]

Godwin has stated that he introduced Godwin's law in 1990 as an experiment in memetics.[2]

Godwin's law does not claim to articulate a fallacy; it is instead framed as a memetic tool to reduce the incidence of inappropriate hyperbolic comparisons. "Although deliberately framed as if it were a law of nature or of mathematics, its purpose has always been rhetorical and pedagogical: I wanted folks who glibly compared someone else to Hitler to think a bit harder about the Holocaust", Godwin has written.[12] In December 2015, Godwin commented on the Nazi and fascist comparisons being made by several articles on Republican presidential candidate Donald Trump, saying that "If you're thoughtful about it and show some real awareness of history, go ahead and refer to Hitler when you talk about Trump. Or any other politician."[13] On August 13, 2017, Godwin made similar remarks on social networking websites Facebook and Twitter with respect to the two previous days' Unite the Right rally in Charlottesville, Virginia, endorsing and encouraging efforts to compare its alt-right organizers to Nazis.[14][15]

See also[edit]
icon Internet portal
Philosophy portal
Association fallacy
List of adages named after people
Straw man fallacy
Think of the children
Reductio ad Hitlerum


Mike Godwins latest tweets
By all means, compare these shitheads to Nazis. Again and again. I'm with you
.
Referencing the Nazis when talking about racist white nationalists does not raise a particularly difficult taxonomic problem.


http://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/gadgets-and-tech/news/godwins-law-mike-godwin-internet-hitler-charlottesville-virginia-donald-trump-a7892171.html


The shit-for-brains little moron troll that my post was replying to was trying to claim that Republicans are Nazis, not the rioters

Try to keep up with his low-level trollish stupidity, at least




Made2Obey -> RE: Republicans slowly realize Trump may be worst president ever (8/14/2017 12:38:07 PM)

Trump should not have done that. Presidents should not bow to public pressure.
There were in fact, many sides in Charlottesville.
Regardless of who throws the first punch, it takes two or more sides to be actively engaged to have a fight. Trump's first statement was accurate.
Mr Frazier, being a private citizen was free to resign if he felt differently.




Musicmystery -> RE: Republicans slowly realize Trump may be worst president ever (8/14/2017 12:40:59 PM)

One to drive the car, three others to get run down and killed. Others to get injured.

Many sides.




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