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RE: Republicans slowly realize Trump may be worst presi... - 8/14/2017 12:41:41 PM   
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Godwin's law

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American attorney and author Mike Godwin coined his eponymous law on Usenet in 1990

Godwin's law (or Godwin's rule of Hitler analogies)[1][2] is an Internet adage that asserts that "As an online discussion grows longer, the probability of a comparison involving Hitler approaches 1."[2][3]‍—‌that is, if an online discussion (regardless of topic or scope) goes on long enough, sooner or later someone will compare someone or something to Hitler or his deeds.

Promulgated by American attorney and author Mike Godwin in 1990,[2] Godwin's law originally referred specifically to Usenet newsgroup discussions.[4] It is now applied to any threaded online discussion, such as Internet forums, chat rooms, and comment threads, as well as to speeches, articles, and other rhetoric[5][6] where reductio ad Hitlerum occurs.

In 2012, "Godwin's law" became an entry in the third edition of the Oxford English Dictionary.[7]

Generalization, corollaries, usage[edit]

With respect to probability theory, Godwin's law becomes a special case of a Bernoulli trial.

Indeed, there are many corollaries to Godwin's law, some considered more canonical (by being adopted by Godwin himself)[3] than others.[1] For example, there is a tradition in many newsgroups and other Internet discussion forums that once such a comparison is made, the thread is finished and whoever mentioned Hitler has automatically lost whatever debate was in progress.[8] This principle is itself frequently referred to as Godwin's law.[citation needed]

Godwin's law itself can be abused as a distraction, diversion or even as censorship, fallaciously miscasting an opponent's argument as hyperbole when the comparisons made by the argument are actually appropriate.[9][10] Similar criticisms of the "law" (or "at least the distorted version which purports to prohibit all comparisons to German crimes") have been made by American lawyer, journalist and author Glenn Greenwald.[11]

History[edit]

Godwin has stated that he introduced Godwin's law in 1990 as an experiment in memetics.[2]

Godwin's law does not claim to articulate a fallacy; it is instead framed as a memetic tool to reduce the incidence of inappropriate hyperbolic comparisons. "Although deliberately framed as if it were a law of nature or of mathematics, its purpose has always been rhetorical and pedagogical: I wanted folks who glibly compared someone else to Hitler to think a bit harder about the Holocaust", Godwin has written.[12] In December 2015, Godwin commented on the Nazi and fascist comparisons being made by several articles on Republican presidential candidate Donald Trump, saying that "If you're thoughtful about it and show some real awareness of history, go ahead and refer to Hitler when you talk about Trump. Or any other politician."[13] On August 13, 2017, Godwin made similar remarks on social networking websites Facebook and Twitter with respect to the two previous days' Unite the Right rally in Charlottesville, Virginia, endorsing and encouraging efforts to compare its alt-right organizers to Nazis.[14][15]

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Mike Godwins latest tweets
By all means, compare these shitheads to Nazis. Again and again. I'm with you
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Referencing the Nazis when talking about racist white nationalists does not raise a particularly difficult taxonomic problem.


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The shit-for-brains little moron troll that my post was replying to was trying to claim that Republicans are Nazis, not the rioters

Try to keep up with his low-level trollish stupidity, at least


you mean there arent any republican nazis?
what a load of crap
If thats true, Im donald trump....
how do you class yourself???
LOL


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RE: Republicans slowly realize Trump may be worst presi... - 8/14/2017 12:42:31 PM   
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So you think this involved only four people?

The killed and injured made a conscious choice to attend a controversial event.
Sometimes when you attend such events you get hurt. You know that going in.
I was clubbed and beaten at an anti-Vietnam war rally in DC in the late 60s.
I understood that might happen when I chose to go.

There would have been no one to be injured by that driver had everyone been home watching TV.
No innocents were involved.

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RE: Republicans slowly realize Trump may be worst presi... - 8/14/2017 12:44:29 PM   
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One to drive the car, three others to get run down and killed. Others to get injured.

Many sides.


It was a melee

The Democrat politicians of Virginia apparently ordered the police to let it happen

antifa and other leftist fascists were instigating violence, and got violence back

Yes, idiot - despite your unmovable stupidity and ignorance, there were many sides involved

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RE: Republicans slowly realize Trump may be worst presi... - 8/14/2017 1:20:10 PM   
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There is no means for us to judge ultimately, how Trump will rate as President.

Try that at your next performance review.

So far, he's fucking up so badly that people are talking about that instead of N. Korea's nukes.



Things that make ya go hmmmmmmmmmmm....


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RE: Republicans slowly realize Trump may be worst presi... - 8/14/2017 1:21:51 PM   
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One to drive the car, three others to get run down and killed. Others to get injured.

Many sides.


It was a melee

The Democrat politicians of Virginia apparently ordered the police to let it happen

antifa and other leftist fascists were instigating violence, and got violence back

Yes, idiot - despite your unmovable stupidity and ignorance, there were many sides involved

Not even Jeff Sessions thinks that. Called it "domestic terrorism."

Yes idiot - despite your unmovable stupidity and ignorance.

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RE: Republicans slowly realize Trump may be worst presi... - 8/14/2017 1:30:23 PM   
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One to drive the car, three others to get run down and killed. Others to get injured.

Many sides.


It was a melee

The Democrat politicians of Virginia apparently ordered the police to let it happen

antifa and other leftist fascists were instigating violence, and got violence back

Yes, idiot - despite your unmovable stupidity and ignorance, there were many sides involved

Not even Jeff Sessions thinks that. Called it "domestic terrorism."

Yes idiot - despite your unmovable stupidity and ignorance.


You're a moron

Sessions said nothing that disagrees with anything in that post

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RE: Republicans slowly realize Trump may be worst presi... - 8/14/2017 1:33:29 PM   
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Judge Who Allowed White Nationalist to Rally Completely Ignored Documented Safety Problems


Michael Signer, the Mayor of Charlottesville, is upset about a federal judge’s decision to allow white supremacists to move forward with their rally at a tiny town park. Sadly, the protests spilled over into despicable violence, and resulted in the death of three people. Signer has a right to be upset. U.S District Judge Glen Conrad‘s decision to allow the rally to go forward is deeply troubling, and not supported by the evidence.

In the week leading up to the violent protests in Virginia, the ACLU teamed up with the white nationalist leader Jason Kessler to fight the city’s decision to modify the group’s permit. The City of Charlottesville determined that because of the large number of people expected, they needed to move the rally from Emancipation Park (formerly “Lee Park”) to a park about a mile away which could more safely accommodate the large crowds. To be clear, city leaders were not trying to deprive these Nazis of their First Amendment right to protest, but rather, they were trying to ensure that the rally went on safely and without incident.

But Kessler and the ACLU’s attorneys didn’t believe that was a good enough reason. The civil rights organization teamed up Kessler and filed a lawsuit against the City of Charlottesville.

“The revocation of Plaintiff’s permit was based on his viewpoint and was not necessary to achieve any compelling government interest,” the lawsuit claimed.

Except this time the ACLU (and the judge who sided with them) were on the wrong side of the facts. Some critics will say hindsight is 20/20, and you can’t blame the judge and the ACLU because they couldn’t have predicted what happened. However, even prior to the event, there was plenty of evidence to support the City’s decision to modify the permit, and instead allow the group to protest not even a mile away at a much larger park that was away from the highly populated area.

What’s the evidence? Prior to the violent rally, the City of Charlottesville supplied three signed affidavits filed by the City Manager, the Chief of Police, and the Fire Chief. Most convincing was a report from Police Chief Al S. Thomas documenting the investigation his officers had undertook ahead of the rally.

When Kessler first applied for the permit to rally in May, the white nationalist leader said that only 400 people would show. In the affidavit, Chief Thomas said that his Criminal Investigations Division had gathered a substantial amount of information to indicate that the estimate was very, very low. For example, a detective spoke with Michael Peinovich, one of the speakers at the rally, who himself admitted that the event may draw as many as 1,000 people. The police chief also documented conversations his detectives had with KKK leaders who confirmed that the estimated crowd size would easily exceed 400 people.

Not only that, police believed that those in attendance at the rally could be armed.

“Intelligence reports gathered by the CPD Criminal Investigations Division further indicate that some rally participants intend to carry firearms,” the police chief wrote in an affidavit submitted to the judge.

The chief further stated that the park was only 1.04 acres, and was situated in a busy urban area where the police did not have room to safely stage in case of an emergency. A crowd of that size would also require the closure of several public roads which could potentially cause severe delays for both event and non-event related emergencies.

McIntire Park, where the city wanted to move the rally, was significantly larger, and had adequate staging area for police. A map of the two parks easily shows how much larger and better situated McIntire Park is compared to Emancipation Park.

Yet somehow this wasn’t enough to convince U.S. District Judge Glen Conrad. What’s more, Judge Conrad’s opinion supporting his decision to grant a preliminary injunction to allow the rally at the smaller park seems to completely ignore the facts. He wrote:

Although the defendants maintain that the decision to revoke Kessler’s permit was motivated by the number of people likely to attend the demonstration, the record indicates that their concerns in this regard are purely speculative. Simply stated, there is no evidence to support the notion that many thousands of individuals are likely to attend the demonstration.

Wait, what? Did he not read Chief Thomas’ affidavit?

The judge concluded the city’s decision was content driven, and was not narrowly tailored to achieve the government’s interest. How in the world did he not at the very least acknowledge that there was a safety concern with thousands (or even hundreds) of Nazis with guns, and anti-racist protesters planning to gather in a tiny park in the middle of an urban area?

Again, the blame for what happened lies squarely with the disgusting hatred displayed by the white nationalists. And sure, the city might have partly based their decision on content, but no one can argue that safety was not also a major factor. The fact that the judge did not even acknowledge that in his opinion is very troubling.

When asked about their decision to defend Kessler, a spokesperson for the ACLU sent a statement condemning the violence.

“Since its inception, and even as we have and will continue to fight for free speech for everyone, the ACLU of Virginia has stood up for respect, decency, equality and humanity for all. What happened today had nothing to do with free speech. It devolved into conduct against individuals motivated by hate that was initially thuggish, and ultimately, deliberately murderous,” the statement read.


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RE: Republicans slowly realize Trump may be worst presi... - 8/14/2017 1:34:36 PM   
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Incidentally, Conrad is a Bush appointee.

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RE: Republicans slowly realize Trump may be worst presi... - 8/14/2017 1:36:23 PM   
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Incidentally, Conrad is a Bush appointee.


OMFG

A Bush appointee allowed freedom of speech

The horror

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RE: Republicans slowly realize Trump may be worst presi... - 8/14/2017 1:37:54 PM   
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OMFG. So your story is bullshit.


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RE: Republicans slowly realize Trump may be worst presi... - 8/14/2017 1:43:18 PM   
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Trump should not have done that. Presidents should not bow to public pressure.


In amerika that is how it is done. Representative democracy and all that sort.

There were in fact, many sides in Charlottesville.

I saw the right and the left who else was there?

Regardless of who throws the first punch, it takes two or more sides to be actively engaged to have a fight.


Poland was responsible for the Nazi attack there?
Amerika was responsible for the japs attacking pearl harbor?




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RE: Republicans slowly realize Trump may be worst presi... - 8/14/2017 1:44:23 PM   
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If he was the man you seem to believe he is, Trump could have as easily said, "I'm sick of this crap, get 'em boys."
Clearly he's more inclusive than you think.


Why do you feel that the president has the authority to declare a civil war? The constitution reserves that power to the congress.

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RE: Republicans slowly realize Trump may be worst presi... - 8/14/2017 1:50:29 PM   
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OMFG. So your story is bullshit.




How shocking, that you could find a leftist rag that bitches and whines about a judge siding with the constitution and legal precedent against your communist friends

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RE: Republicans slowly realize Trump may be worst presi... - 8/14/2017 1:54:26 PM   
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If he was the man you seem to believe he is, Trump could have as easily said, "I'm sick of this crap, get 'em boys."
Clearly he's more inclusive than you think.


Why do you feel that the president has the authority to declare a civil war? The constitution reserves that power to the congress.



My whole point is that he could have said that and didn't.
And a president does in fact have the legal authority to engage in limited military actions without a Congressional declaration of war, civil or otherwise.

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RE: Republicans slowly realize Trump may be worst presi... - 8/14/2017 1:57:23 PM   
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So you think this involved only four people?

The killed and injured made a conscious choice to attend a controversial event.
Sometimes when you attend such events you get hurt. You know that going in.
I was clubbed and beaten at an anti-Vietnam war rally in DC in the late 60s.
I understood that might happen when I chose to go.


You seem to lack an understanding that that is illegal and that as a citizen you have a reasonable expectation of safe passage.

There would have been no one to be injured by that driver had everyone been home watching TV.
No innocents were involved.

The boston massacre would never have occurred and crispus attuks would not have died if as you and john adams point out "if that shiftless nigger had been at work this would never have happened."

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RE: Republicans slowly realize Trump may be worst presi... - 8/14/2017 1:57:43 PM   
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From the comments section under your source, a very astute observation:

Not supporting white supremacy, but it's obvious what's going on here. Berkeley is the blueprint. Liberals have figured out a new way to suppress speech by massed groups. Simply threaten violence, overtly or tacitly. Then, some liberal junkie steps in to deny the right of right-leaning groups to demonstrate.

It's a game, folks. And the media is pulling the strings.



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RE: Republicans slowly realize Trump may be worst presi... - 8/14/2017 2:01:07 PM   
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Oooo. A comment.

Fucking retard.

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RE: Republicans slowly realize Trump may be worst presi... - 8/14/2017 2:01:31 PM   
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If he was the man you seem to believe he is, Trump could have as easily said, "I'm sick of this crap, get 'em boys."
Clearly he's more inclusive than you think.


Why do you feel that the president has the authority to declare a civil war? The constitution reserves that power to the congress.


My whole point is that he could have said that and didn't.


Your point is mistaken and he does not have that power.

And a president does in fact have the legal authority to engage in limited military actions without a Congressional declaration of war, civil or otherwise.


Perhaps you could cite those powers and under which circumstances he may exercise them.
How would the current circumstances would justify their exercise.


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RE: Republicans slowly realize Trump may be worst presi... - 8/14/2017 2:02:55 PM   
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A few comments down, under that one:

He also ignored the fact that when BLM and antifa show up the police always seem to "stand down" and let violence take place. This majority of fault of this violence sits with the Mayor and the police chief.

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RE: Republicans slowly realize Trump may be worst presi... - 8/14/2017 2:04:10 PM   
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That you're unable to discern the weight due news reporting from people posting comments is hardly surprising.


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