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mnottertail -> RE: Another Socialist Dear Leader Is In The News (8/13/2017 1:55:52 PM)

So,you were too busy felchgobbling putinjizz, to learn anything once again.

Fucking Chavez is dead, they didnt have these issues under Chavez.

whose main idea is to build self-government institutions like communal councils, communes, and communal cities.

I know you are too busy in your airport bathroom duties to deal with reality rather than your felchgobbling retarded life, but list the communal councils, communes and communal cities with credible cited data in Venezuela

They should be rife with them and much credible citation of their fine policies that lead to failure.

As always we can point back to the Dictator and his henchmen, and nutsucker borrow and spend of the same.

See if you can find someone who can read and have them explain this to you:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/global-opinions/wp/2017/01/05/as-socialist-venezuela-collapses-socialist-bolivia-thrives-heres-why/

http://www.telesurtv.net/english/news/Socialism-Not-Neoliberalism-Creates-Stability-Bolivias-Evo-20170315-0038.html

So one socialist government thrives while one fails, could it possibly be that its not socialism to blame? Maybe Venezuela, the dictatorship with heavy nutsucker policies, like borrow and spend on asswipe is the culprit.

http://www.aljazeera.com/news/2017/03/venezuela-supreme-court-assumes-congress-role-170330152520865.html

Now, nutsuckerism comes in many guises, here in the US they portray themselves as conservatives, libertarians, independents, and republican, they are none of the above they are nutsuckers.

http://www.ids.ac.uk/opinion/maduro-s-new-constitution-more-authoritarianism-for-venezuela

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/04/01/world/americas/venezuela-populism-authoritarianism.html

show me where workers control anything in that country.
https://www.jacobinmag.com/2017/05/venezuela-crisis-maduro-opposition-violence-elections-economy

Any of that give you some necessary and sufficient conditions of socialism? Looks like nutsuckism to anyone who unlike you and your retarded circlefelch, dogshit44, is not a putinjizz felchgobbler.

So as impotent, ineffective and imbecilic as you and your circlefelch is, it is clearly not socialism failing, that is alive and well in many countries that are handing our own asses to us. The failure is nutsuckerism in every case.




mnottertail -> RE: Another Socialist Dear Leader Is In The News (8/13/2017 2:28:55 PM)

nope, never try and convice a nutsucker of anything, they are too retarded, I am actually deriding him with credible citations about the situation while he beats his little pud on wiki and is stuck on well everybody says they are socialist. He is ineffective, impotent, imbecilic and tries to play the pompous ass but is well known for his untutored and factless shitbreathing, as well as his actuall ignorance of the English language.

He was held back in kindergarten as most nutsuckers were, in fact he was binned at the afternoon letters lesson.




mnottertail -> RE: Another Socialist Dear Leader Is In The News (8/13/2017 2:51:19 PM)

Meh, fuck these windowlickers I giggle like a 9 year old school girl at their felchgobbling like they are Daniel Dravut




WickedsDesire -> RE: Another Socialist Dear Leader Is In The News (8/13/2017 2:55:13 PM)

Are you better than him?




BoscoX -> RE: Another Socialist Dear Leader Is In The News (8/13/2017 3:09:33 PM)



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Powerful Venezuelan lawmaker may have issued death order against Rubio

One of Venezuela’s most powerful leaders may have put out an order to kill Florida Sen. Marco Rubio, a fervent critic of the South American country’s government, according to intelligence obtained by the U.S. last month.

Though federal authorities couldn’t be sure at the time if the uncorroborated threat was real, they took it seriously enough that Rubio has been guarded by a security detail for several weeks in both Washington and Miami.

Believed to be behind the order: Diosdado Cabello, the influential former military chief and lawmaker from the ruling socialist party who has publicly feuded with Rubio.

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mnottertail -> RE: Another Socialist Dear Leader Is In The News (8/13/2017 3:15:18 PM)

and the compound gimp comes in to bat the cleanup. Yessssssssssssssssss, Venezuelans are very nervous of little marco. ~Il Douchovitch, the hugely bigh source of nutsucker putinjizz.

Why goddammit Eustus they threatened a real american Say!!! What kinda name is that, is this little pissant marco some shirttail relation to Jack?




bounty44 -> RE: Another Socialist Dear Leader Is In The News (8/13/2017 3:59:44 PM)

i also read where the SOCIALIST ruler would like to jail the anti-SOCIALIST opposition.

an awful lot of use of the word SOCIALIST going on in a country that isn't SOCIALIST!




thompsonx -> RE: Another Socialist Dear Leader Is In The News (8/13/2017 5:15:26 PM)


ORIGINAL: bounty44

i also read where the SOCIALIST ruler would like to jail the anti-SOCIALIST opposition.

an awful lot of use of the word SOCIALIST going on in a country that isn't SOCIALIST!


Your knowledge of history is rather short. How long ago was it that the non socialist kidapped
Chavez?




mnottertail -> RE: Another Socialist Dear Leader Is In The News (8/14/2017 2:44:43 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: bounty44

i also read where the SOCIALIST ruler would like to jail the anti-SOCIALIST opposition.

an awful lot of use of the word SOCIALIST going on in a country that isn't SOCIALIST!

then why are you saying the previous president was all about the bolivarism?

so, we have determined the wreckage of the country, with overwhelming evidence was the nutsuckerism, not socialism. Too bad you werent knowledgeable of the situation before you started spouting your nutsuckerisms along with your circlefelch.

Like I say, its what is going on here, as a much larger and once richer country it is taking longer for the nutsuckers to destroy us.




mnottertail -> RE: Another Socialist Dear Leader Is In The News (8/14/2017 3:36:53 AM)

*snicker*




bounty44 -> RE: Another Socialist Dear Leader Is In The News (8/14/2017 5:05:52 AM)

im sorry Venezuela didn't turn out to be the collectivist-socialist paradise you wanted...or maybe oh so needed it to be, much like your pantsuit didn't work either.

but you know youre doing great mnottertroll when wicked and Thompson are on your side!




WhoreMods -> RE: Another Socialist Dear Leader Is In The News (8/14/2017 5:12:38 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: bounty44

im sorry Venezuela didn't turn out to be the collectivist-socialist paradise you wanted...or maybe oh so needed it to be, much like your pantsuit didn't work either.

but you know youre doing great mnottertroll when wicked and Thompson are on your side!


Really? It might be worth bearing in mind who your own posse includes before you have a go at anybody over that: numbering RealG0ne and his dad and Greta among your peeps doesn't really give you sneering rights about anybody else's crew, does it?




bounty44 -> RE: Another Socialist Dear Leader Is In The News (8/14/2017 5:15:02 AM)

its just like every other time mnottertroll---my judgments are based on the reality of you and your posts, whereas yours are based in your homo-erotic fantasies and the meaningless vulgar spewings of someone with an arrested development of a 13yr old.




mnottertail -> RE: Another Socialist Dear Leader Is In The News (8/14/2017 5:15:23 AM)

The dogshit of romney marsh and his circlefelch of felchgobblers rides again.........




Greta75 -> RE: Another Socialist Dear Leader Is In The News (8/14/2017 5:38:12 AM)

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ORIGINAL: WhoreMods
Really? It might be worth bearing in mind who your own posse includes before you have a go at anybody over that: numbering RealG0ne and his dad and Greta among your peeps doesn't really give you sneering rights about anybody else's crew, does it?


Bosco, BamaD, Nanji and Bounty are most of the time, stick to issues type of people in debates.

I have alot of respect for their opinions and the way they conduct themselves.

There are of course other reasonable neutral ground folks like Peon, yourself and KdSub. Not part of right leaning troop. But still, stick to issues most of the time.

Few Left Wing American folks on here debate rationally, mostly just personal attacks and KD I think is like in the middle. He is neither left wing or right wing. He seems to be quite neutral in his beliefs but always stuck to the topic.

The pattern is often you get some left wing person here start the ad hominem to any right wing folks opinion. And most of the time, it looks like they start it first.




mnottertail -> RE: Another Socialist Dear Leader Is In The News (8/14/2017 5:59:56 AM)

how are they on the issue? socialism did not fail, regardless of the putinjizz felchgobbling of the circlefelch, nutsuckerim did, again.




bounty44 -> RE: Another Socialist Dear Leader Is In The News (8/14/2017 6:00:40 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: WhoreMods


quote:

ORIGINAL: bounty44

im sorry Venezuela didn't turn out to be the collectivist-socialist paradise you wanted...or maybe oh so needed it to be, much like your pantsuit didn't work either.

but you know youre doing great mnottertroll when wicked and Thompson are on your side!


Really? It might be worth bearing in mind who your own posse includes before you have a go at anybody over that: numbering RealG0ne and his dad and Greta among your peeps doesn't really give you sneering rights about anybody else's crew, does it?


this is precious---just how often do you see me in support of anything realone says? how often, the post below notwithstanding, do you see greta coming to defend arguments im engaged in? there have been a number of times we've been in stark disagreement with each other.

and in terms of greta, as she pointed out below---how often do you see her, unlike the counterpart lefties on here, create posts where the majority of the post is a personal attack? greta's one of the most maligned, yet praisingly gentle people on here. if she's a part of "my peeps", im happy to have her.

and what I wrote is against the backdrop of mnottertroll determining that any two people in agreement with each other contrary to his own (nonsensical) opinions constitute a "circlefelch" or some vulgar "coven" or other.

by contrast, if the moderators did their job, mnottertroll, wicked and Thompson would be thrown off the site.




bounty44 -> RE: Another Socialist Dear Leader Is In The News (8/14/2017 6:03:57 AM)

"There is still no alternative"

quote:

In Venezuela, the same lessons as Cuba, North Korea, USSR . . . Nicolás Maduro is the heir to Hugo Chávez, who was after Fidel Castro the tin-pot dictator most beloved of Democrats in Hollywood and Washington alike, and his government is in the full, mature stage of socialism, which means that opposition leaders are being locked up and forbidden to contest elections.

The New York Times tells the tale of Enzo Scarano, formerly the mayor of San Diego, a fast-growing city west of Caracas. There were protests against the Maduro regime in San Diego, and so the mayor was stripped of his office and thrown in jail for nearly a year. Now, he wants to run for national office, but has been disqualified by the Maduro government. Other prominent opposition figures are being treated the same way.

When Senator Bernie Sanders describes himself as a socialist and his critics point queasily to such socialist experiments as those in Cuba and North Korea, the response is always predictably the same: No, no: democratic socialism. But of course Boss Hugo advanced through the democratic process (when he wasn’t attempting coups d’état) and Maduro’s rule was confirmed in a special election. Perhaps he even legitimately won that election; regardless, he is stacking the deck this time around by ensuring that those who might challenge him are sitting on the sidelines or languishing in prison.

There is more to democratic legitimacy than open ballots truly counted. As the Founders of our own republic keenly appreciated, genuine democratic engagement requires an informed populace and open debate, thus the First Amendment’s protections, which extend not only to newspapers and political parties but also to ordinary citizens, despite the best efforts of Harry Reid and congressional Democrats to trample those rights. (They call this “campaign-finance reform,” on the theory that political communications more sophisticated than standing on a soapbox outside the Mall of America requires some sort of financial outlay.) But Venezuela has been for years cracking down on newspapers, radio stations, and television stations, even as the Maduro regime’s inspirations in Havana have been locking up outlaw . . . librarians.

In fact, the Maduro regime is so terrified of public discourse that it has stopped publishing basic economic data, such as official figures for inflation (estimated to be well in excess of 100 percent), unemployment (high), and economic growth (currently about negative 7 percent, it is thought). Not that Venezuelans necessarily need the statistics to tell their heads what their bellies have already learned: The United Socialist party’s disastrous economic policies have led to acute shortages of everything: rice, beans, flour, oil, eggs, soap, even toilet paper. Venezuela is full of state-run stores that are there to provide the poor with life’s necessities at subsidized prices, but the shelves are empty.

Socialism has two relevant features: Central planning of the economy by political powers and the public provision of ordinary goods (as opposed to public goods such as national defense and judicial systems). This is distinct from welfare-state policies such as those found in the United States, Canada, and Europe. Sweden has a large and expensive welfare state, but it has a robustly capitalistic trade-driven economy that in many ways is more free-market than our own, with lower corporate taxes and fewer trade barriers. The difference between welfare programs and socialism is the difference between food stamps and the state-run groceries that were the bane of the common people’s existence in the old Soviet Union and in modern Venezuela. The former is imperfect, the latter catastrophic.

The price of free stuff ends up being terribly high. While Venezuela has endured food riots for years, the capital recently has been the scene of protests related to medical care. Venezuela has free universal health care — and a constitutional guarantee of access to it. That means exactly nothing in a country without enough doctors, medicine, or facilities. Chemotherapy is available in only three cities, with patients often traveling hours from the hinterlands to receive treatment. But the treatment has stopped. Juvenile cancer patients taken by their parents to the children’s hospital in the capital are being turned away because the treatments they need are no longer available. The scene is heartbreaking, but that’s the political mode of thinking: Declare a scarce good a “right” and the problem must be solved, regardless of whether that scarce good is any more plentiful than it was before. As you could probably have guessed, the Venezuelan government stopped publishing health statistics years ago.

Margaret Thatcher used to proclaim: “There is no alternative!” She said it so often that her rivals began to abbreviate the expression “TINA” in mockery. But there are two ways — precisely opposite ways — to read that sentence. Mrs. Thatcher meant that there is no alternative in the end to free enterprise, free markets, private property, and liberal institutions. The socialists mean something else: There is no alternative because there is no choice, choice being the one thing a socialist cannot abide. Whether the instance of socialism in question is the Venezuelan economy or an American public-school system is incidental; the basic mechanics are always and everywhere the same. Maduro wants to lock up opposition leaders; the American Left wants to lock up homeschoolers and people who hold dissenting views on climate change.

We will have liberty or we will have reeducation camps. There is no alternative.


Read more at: http://www.nationalreview.com/article/423011/there-still-no-alternative-kevin-d-williamson




BoscoX -> RE: Another Socialist Dear Leader Is In The News (8/14/2017 6:18:55 AM)


That was a very good article, accurately describes socialism and it's effects in an easily understood way

Anyone who says that a welfare state is socialism should shut up and be happy because we have that now. But what they demand ( at the same time they deny it) , is Venezuela / Cuba / USSR socialism

State-run medical services is the first goal. Slave doctors and nurses doing as they are ordered by their government overlords. Also, full government control of the energy sector




mnottertail -> RE: Another Socialist Dear Leader Is In The News (8/14/2017 6:20:53 AM)

No, none of those countries are really socialist.

I would think the demand would be nordic country socialism, instead of the country wrecking nutsuckerism we are suffering under.




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