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Hillwilliam -> RE: White Nationalists turn violent in VA -- state of emergency called (8/12/2017 6:09:51 PM)
David Duke isn't doing Mr. Trump any favors. https://www.yahoo.com/news/ex-kkk-leader-david-duke-180315141.html

Nnanji -> RE: White Nationalists turn violent in VA -- state of emergency called (8/12/2017 6:17:45 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Hillwilliam David Duke isn't doing Mr. Trump any favors. https://www.yahoo.com/news/ex-kkk-leader-david-duke-180315141.html I'm obviously wrong but I thought David Duke had given up all this racist shit. He is not doing Trump any favors.

kdsub -> RE: White Nationalists turn violent in VA -- state of emergency called (8/12/2017 7:00:56 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: MakeM3Urs White nationalists are white people who believe that their country should remain majority white. The Nazis in Germany during WWII were white nationalists with their belief in the "Chosen Race." Many countries today have groups of white nationalists. I firmly believe that the Brexit vote was based in white nationalism. Hmmm... do you think there may be a good portion that just don't want their heritage destroyed... Right or wrong these statues represent their ancestors. They understand it was a different time with different social norms. You or I born into that society would have been just as prejudiced by today's standards... We would not have known any better. These people may very well not even be prejudiced or care about white majority rule. My family came to Missouri from S Carolina and the majority of my male ancestors fought for the south...and many did not own slaves... I can see being upset if my heritage was being destroyed. Butch

Wayward5oul -> RE: White Nationalists turn violent in VA -- state of emergency called (8/12/2017 8:43:32 PM)
FR http://www.foxnews.com/us/2017/08/12/ohio-man-20-identified-as-suspect-who-drove-car-into-charlottesville-protesters.html The driver is a white male whose mother said was attending a Donald Trump rally. She had no idea it was a white nationalist event, she said that Trump was not a white nationalist, and that she would be surprised if her son was that far right.

thompsonx -> RE: White Nationalists turn violent in VA -- state of emergency called (8/12/2017 8:55:35 PM)
ORIGINAL: BamaD It is both groups fault. The white nationalist shouldn't have the demonstration. The leftists should stay away. We find it most interesting that you feel that only 'leftists' would be against the kkk and the Nazis. Why do you feel that the right supports the kkk and the Nazis?

thompsonx -> RE: White Nationalists turn violent in VA -- state of emergency called (8/12/2017 8:57:46 PM)
ORIGINAL: MakeM3Urs Just saw a video on the news of the Friday night event. No sheets or hoods in evidence. Are you phoquing blind? The torch carriers were vastly outnumbered and were the ones being shoved and jostled. What is your point? No torches were used as clubs or weapons, not even defensively, they were simply held aloft, quite safely. Would you walk into a bank with a pistol held safely aloft?

thompsonx -> RE: White Nationalists turn violent in VA -- state of emergency called (8/12/2017 8:58:56 PM)
ORIGINAL: kdsub What the hell is a white Nationalist anyway? Jesus you are phoquing stupid.

thompsonx -> RE: White Nationalists turn violent in VA -- state of emergency called (8/12/2017 9:07:48 PM)
ORIGINAL: kdsub Hmmm... do you think there may be a good portion that just don't want their heritage destroyed... Would those be the descendants of the ones who destroyed the heritage of the blacks and native amerikans? Right or wrong these statues represent their ancestors. Their ancestors were traitors. Why would you erect a statue to a traitor? They understand it was a different time with different social norms. You are full of shit. slavery was a hot button issue from before the revolution. Get a phoquing history book written for someone beyond the fifth grade. You or I born into that society would have been just as prejudiced by today's standards... We would not have known any better. Here nearly two hundred years later you still do not know better. These people may very well not even be prejudiced or care about white majority rule. They are wearing Nazi swastikas and kkk robes for phoques sake are you phoqing blind? My family came to Missouri from S Carolina and the majority of my male ancestors fought for the south That would make them traitors and you the offspring of traitors. ...and many did not own slaves... You have bragged about the ones who did. I can see being upset if my heritage was being destroyed.

Wayward5oul -> RE: White Nationalists turn violent in VA -- state of emergency called (8/12/2017 9:14:41 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Nnanji quote: ORIGINAL: Hillwilliam David Duke isn't doing Mr. Trump any favors. https://www.yahoo.com/news/ex-kkk-leader-david-duke-180315141.html I'm obviously wrong but I thought David Duke had given up all this racist shit. He is not doing Trump any favors. His tweets today say otherwise. He reminded Trump that it was white Americans who put him in the presidency, among other things. http://www.thewrap.com/david-duke-blasts-trump-charlottesville-white-americans/

tweakabelle -> RE: White Nationalists turn violent in VA -- state of emergency called (8/13/2017 1:35:59 AM)
It appears at this stage that the driver deliberately targetted the anti-fascist counter protesters. All the reports I have seen or read indicate that the driver was a 'white nationalist'. I am yet to come across any one describing this as a terrorist attack. Why has no one used the term terrorist incident to describe this attack? You can bet your bottom dollar that if the driver was a Muslim, the shouts of terrorist attack would be so loud you couldn't hear yourself think. This is the term used correctly to describe similar attacks using vehicles on peaceful crowds in Europe. Why doesn't it apply in this instance? And if you agree that it is a terrorist attack, why are people refraining from describing it as it is?

WhoreMods -> RE: White Nationalists turn violent in VA -- state of emergency called (8/13/2017 5:58:39 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: kdsub quote: ORIGINAL: MakeM3Urs White nationalists are white people who believe that their country should remain majority white. The Nazis in Germany during WWII were white nationalists with their belief in the "Chosen Race." Many countries today have groups of white nationalists. I firmly believe that the Brexit vote was based in white nationalism. Hmmm... do you think there may be a good portion that just don't want their heritage destroyed... Right or wrong these statues represent their ancestors. They understand it was a different time with different social norms. You or I born into that society would have been just as prejudiced by today's standards... We would not have known any better. These people may very well not even be prejudiced or care about white majority rule. My family came to Missouri from S Carolina and the majority of my male ancestors fought for the south...and many did not own slaves... I can see being upset if my heritage was being destroyed. Butch There's also the fact that Robert E Lee's something of a special case down south as he's widely regarded as the best cavalry commander to have fought on either side during the civil war. He'd already had a long and distinguished military career by the time that started, hadn't he?

BoscoX -> RE: White Nationalists turn violent in VA -- state of emergency called (8/13/2017 6:00:45 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: tweakabelle It appears at this stage that the driver deliberately targetted the anti-fascist counter protesters. All the reports I have seen or read indicate that the driver was a 'white nationalist'. I am yet to come across any one describing this as a terrorist attack. Why has no one used the term terrorist incident to describe this attack? You can bet your bottom dollar that if the driver was a Muslim, the shouts of terrorist attack would be so loud you couldn't hear yourself think. This is the term used correctly to describe similar attacks using vehicles on peaceful crowds in Europe. Why doesn't it apply in this instance? And if you agree that it is a terrorist attack, why are people refraining from describing it as it is? Nah, all the reports say that it was an antifa loon who looked exactly like you, who believed they were litle church children she was plowing through

mnottertail -> RE: White Nationalists turn violent in VA -- state of emergency called (8/13/2017 6:10:49 AM)
thats the scuttlebut around the felching stations in the compound, is it?

DesideriScuri -> RE: White Nationalists turn violent in VA -- state of emergency called (8/13/2017 6:39:08 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: tweakabelle It appears at this stage that the driver deliberately targetted the anti-fascist counter protesters. All the reports I have seen or read indicate that the driver was a 'white nationalist'. I am yet to come across any one describing this as a terrorist attack. Why has no one used the term terrorist incident to describe this attack? You can bet your bottom dollar that if the driver was a Muslim, the shouts of terrorist attack would be so loud you couldn't hear yourself think. This is the term used correctly to describe similar attacks using vehicles on peaceful crowds in Europe. Why doesn't it apply in this instance? And if you agree that it is a terrorist attack, why are people refraining from describing it as it is? It's a fine line, Tweaks. I don't believe the driver rammed into anti-fascist protesters to create a sense of fear or panic in a population. Certainly fear and panic was created in the protesters that were there, but not likely anywhere else. I believe a terrorist attack is more about the reaction and analysis to the act, than it is about the results of the attack. Al Qaeda wasn't aiming to kill 3000+ people in the 9/11 attacks. I doubt the number mattered all that much. It was more about attacking those two buildings because of what the buildings stood for. Certainly al Qaeda wanted there to be a lot of people in the building, but that was solely to heighten the response. It was planned well in advance, and the people who carried out the attack pretty much knew they weren't going to live through the attacks. The ramming of protesters probably wasn't planned. It was probably more a snap decision on the part of the driver. It was a Dodge Charger, right? That's not a cheap car. It might not be super expensive, either, but wouldn't you use some piece of shit jalopy or rental car to commit the crime, rather than your own decent to nice car? It's a fine line. I haven't seen or heard, but I do think the ramming of protesters would qualify as a hate crime, which might further muddy the differences.

Lucylastic -> RE: White Nationalists turn violent in VA -- state of emergency called (8/13/2017 6:59:51 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: BoscoX quote: ORIGINAL: tweakabelle It appears at this stage that the driver deliberately targetted the anti-fascist counter protesters. All the reports I have seen or read indicate that the driver was a 'white nationalist'. I am yet to come across any one describing this as a terrorist attack. Why has no one used the term terrorist incident to describe this attack? You can bet your bottom dollar that if the driver was a Muslim, the shouts of terrorist attack would be so loud you couldn't hear yourself think. This is the term used correctly to describe similar attacks using vehicles on peaceful crowds in Europe. Why doesn't it apply in this instance? And if you agree that it is a terrorist attack, why are people refraining from describing it as it is? Nah, all the reports say that it was an antifa loon who looked exactly like you, who believed they were litle church children she was plowing through source? or just more pant shitting desperation? Isnt it you that condones driving thru protestors? well you got your wish.

vincentML -> RE: White Nationalists turn violent in VA -- state of emergency called (8/13/2017 7:08:25 AM)
quote: It's a fine line, Tweaks. I don't believe the driver rammed into anti-fascist protesters to create a sense of fear or panic in a population. Certainly fear and panic was created in the protesters that were there, but not likely anywhere else. I have heard his actions called "domestic terrorism." As for the car, I doubt that a 20 year old kid caught up in a passionate movement would worry about the car. It probably was a spontaneous decision as you say, but behind that spontaneity, I speculate, was a large body of anger and hatred. He was associated with an alt-right group, I understand. One does not develop "killing anger" spontaneously, although it may appear to be so on the surface. [sm=2cents.gif]

vincentML -> RE: White Nationalists turn violent in VA -- state of emergency called (8/13/2017 7:11:31 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Lucylastic quote: ORIGINAL: BoscoX quote: ORIGINAL: tweakabelle It appears at this stage that the driver deliberately targetted the anti-fascist counter protesters. All the reports I have seen or read indicate that the driver was a 'white nationalist'. I am yet to come across any one describing this as a terrorist attack. Why has no one used the term terrorist incident to describe this attack? You can bet your bottom dollar that if the driver was a Muslim, the shouts of terrorist attack would be so loud you couldn't hear yourself think. This is the term used correctly to describe similar attacks using vehicles on peaceful crowds in Europe. Why doesn't it apply in this instance? And if you agree that it is a terrorist attack, why are people refraining from describing it as it is? Nah, all the reports say that it was an antifa loon who looked exactly like you, who believed they were litle church children she was plowing through source? or just more pant shitting desperation? Isnt it you that condones driving thru protestors? well you got your wish. He is just demonstrating what a nasty fuck he is, Lucy. Source? Sure, his own tiny, hate-filled brain where all his alt-right fantasies are conjured.

vincentML -> RE: White Nationalists turn violent in VA -- state of emergency called (8/13/2017 7:18:01 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: WhoreMods quote: ORIGINAL: kdsub quote: ORIGINAL: MakeM3Urs White nationalists are white people who believe that their country should remain majority white. The Nazis in Germany during WWII were white nationalists with their belief in the "Chosen Race." Many countries today have groups of white nationalists. I firmly believe that the Brexit vote was based in white nationalism. Hmmm... do you think there may be a good portion that just don't want their heritage destroyed... Right or wrong these statues represent their ancestors. They understand it was a different time with different social norms. You or I born into that society would have been just as prejudiced by today's standards... We would not have known any better. These people may very well not even be prejudiced or care about white majority rule. My family came to Missouri from S Carolina and the majority of my male ancestors fought for the south...and many did not own slaves... I can see being upset if my heritage was being destroyed. Butch There's also the fact that Robert E Lee's something of a special case down south as he's widely regarded as the best cavalry commander to have fought on either side during the civil war. He'd already had a long and distinguished military career by the time that started, hadn't he? Robert E Lee was trained at West Point. He was an admirable commander but he took his defeat with grace and with gratitude toward General Grant for allowing him (Lee) to retain his dignity. He packed up and returned to his plantation to lead a peaceful life, telling his troops to do the same. However, to be sure, Lee would not deny that he was a rebel and traitor, choosing his state over his nation. I can't say with certainty but a statue in his honor would have sullied his sense of military honor.

vincentML -> RE: White Nationalists turn violent in VA -- state of emergency called (8/13/2017 7:20:36 AM)
quote: I am yet to come across any one describing this as a terrorist attack. Why has no one used the term terrorist incident to describe this attack? They have finally got around to designated the car incident as "domestic terrorism."

Nnanji -> RE: White Nationalists turn violent in VA -- state of emergency called (8/13/2017 7:29:13 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: vincentML quote: It's a fine line, Tweaks. I don't believe the driver rammed into anti-fascist protesters to create a sense of fear or panic in a population. Certainly fear and panic was created in the protesters that were there, but not likely anywhere else. I have heard his actions called "domestic terrorism." As for the car, I doubt that a 20 year old kid caught up in a passionate movement would worry about the car. It probably was a spontaneous decision as you say, but behind that spontaneity, I speculate, was a large body of anger and hatred. He was associated with an alt-right group, I understand. One does not develop "killing anger" spontaneously, although it may appear to be so on the surface. [sm=2cents.gif] Any early report that I haven't heard repeated stated that the Nationalists were helping the car get into place and directing it where to go. If that early report bears out then it would be more planned and less spontaneous/passionate. But, still, probably more lets get them and hurt them then let's terrorize them. Sort of a gang pay back sort of thing.

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