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WinsomeDefiance -> RE: White Nationalists turn violent in VA -- state of emergency called (8/22/2017 11:57:40 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Musicmystery If you're concerned about rights stripped away, start with the Patriot Act. Implementing The Pratiot Act was a betrayal by our leaders and a treasonous act. I supported Obama up to the moment he failed to let it expire. That's my opinion of The (notso) Patriot Act.

vincentML -> RE: White Nationalists turn violent in VA -- state of emergency called (8/22/2017 12:02:33 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Nnanji quote: ORIGINAL: vincentML quote: ORIGINAL: bounty44 quote: ORIGINAL: Danemora Respectfully speaking...its not as black and white as you both want to paint it to be theres nothing you just said im not in agreement with and ive laid fault at both the protesters, the counter-protesters and the police. exactly how then have I painted Charlottesville as something black and white? Several speakers criticized the Council members for not having heeded warnings to avoid the protest, and promised to vote them out of office. But city officials stressed that they had tried to deny the white supremacist rally a permit, but that a federal court had ruled in favor of the protest organizers. Well maybe the fault lies with the appeals court or with the appeals process. The city Council tried to reject the permit for the parade or the March claiming I would guess that it was too dangerous. However the court just went right ahead and, backed up by all the free-speech prior precedent, then had to approve the permit. So it makes you wonder where the balance is between a community that asserts there is a treat of lawlessness and a court that says it must comply with precedent on free-speech. Your arguments would be very reasonable had the cops not been told to stand down by those same politicians. Had the cops been allowed to do their jobs we might not have had this mess. However, I believe the politicians how another agenda. On 15 August 2017, the disreputable web site YourNewsWire posted a story purporting to quote an “anonymous” police officer saying that law enforcement in Charlottesville, Virginia had been instructed not only to “stand down” during a violent white supremacist rally, but to instigate violence by purposely bringing rival groups together in order to start a race war. SOURCE

ThatDizzyChick -> RE: White Nationalists turn violent in VA -- state of emergency called (8/22/2017 12:02:45 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Musicmystery If you're concerned about rights stripped away, start with the Patriot Act. Oh you gotta go a lot further back than that.

DesideriScuri -> RE: White Nationalists turn violent in VA -- state of emergency called (8/22/2017 12:06:23 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Musicmystery I'll just be blunt that I will continue to oppose Nazis, however folks decide to spin the debate. And I'll continue to wonder why there's even a debate about Nazis. A bunch of armed folks carrying Nazi flags show up. Who thought this would go peacefully? Some very angry people oppose them. Gosh, how strange. That the president of the US would equate them--that's bizarre. I hope his ass gets kicked repeatedly. FFS. He equated them only in that they both were part of the violence and hate. And, he was correct in that.

WhoreMods -> RE: White Nationalists turn violent in VA -- state of emergency called (8/22/2017 12:06:40 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: ThatDizzyChick quote: ORIGINAL: Musicmystery If you're concerned about rights stripped away, start with the Patriot Act. Oh you gotta go a lot further back than that. Inarguably, but it is a pretty obvious exemplar of increasing government powers in the name of security. What one might almost call a poster child, and the fact that it comes from the party who spend so much of their time whining about the evils of big government and authoritarianism ices the cake with hilarity.

DesideriScuri -> RE: White Nationalists turn violent in VA -- state of emergency called (8/22/2017 12:09:36 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: WinsomeDefiance If both parties are wrong, then the only "victim" is our potential for having our Constitutional Rights stripped away by the abuse of extremists behavior. I can say ANTIFA was wrong, when they went from being protestors to rioting, because they WERE WRONG. The same goes for Neo-Nazis. I have never once supported Trump for President, neither did I vote for him. I avoid denigrating President Trump, simply out of a personal sense of distaste of badmouthing our President. I do not share his beliefs, condone the behavior of the man and I won't be sorry to see him out of Office. However, it my belief that The President, has very little actual power so I'm now focused on the levels of government in place to prevent our President from wreaking too much harm. Yes, the ugly, the deplorable and the extreme are emboldened. That only means a voice of reason and respect for humanity needs to hold itself to a higher standard and those who abuse their rights need to be held accountable. No matter who they are or what they stand for. It doesn't mean they don't have a basic right, in America, under the parameters set forth by our Constitution, to be assholes with a shitty point of view. It's a pity you have to defend yourself simply because you assign blame for the violence in VA on both sides.

Musicmystery -> RE: White Nationalists turn violent in VA -- state of emergency called (8/22/2017 12:13:19 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri quote: ORIGINAL: Musicmystery I'll just be blunt that I will continue to oppose Nazis, however folks decide to spin the debate. And I'll continue to wonder why there's even a debate about Nazis. A bunch of armed folks carrying Nazi flags show up. Who thought this would go peacefully? Some very angry people oppose them. Gosh, how strange. That the president of the US would equate them--that's bizarre. I hope his ass gets kicked repeatedly. FFS. He equated them only in that they both were part of the violence and hate. And, he was correct in that. If you think Nazis and people opposing Nazis are the same, you and I are never, ever, going to agree.

vincentML -> RE: White Nationalists turn violent in VA -- state of emergency called (8/22/2017 12:14:20 PM)
quote: On 15 August 2017, the disreputable web site YourNewsWire posted a story purporting to quote an “anonymous” police officer saying that law enforcement in Charlottesville, Virginia had been instructed not only to “stand down” during a violent white supremacist rally, but to instigate violence by purposely bringing rival groups together in order to start a race war. SOURCE http://www.snopes.com/were-police-told-stand-down-charlottesville/ fake news. . . . NO STAND D0WN ORDER [8D]

WinsomeDefiance -> RE: White Nationalists turn violent in VA -- state of emergency called (8/22/2017 12:24:28 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri quote: ORIGINAL: WinsomeDefiance If both parties are wrong, then the only "victim" is our potential for having our Constitutional Rights stripped away by the abuse of extremists behavior. I can say ANTIFA was wrong, when they went from being protestors to rioting, because they WERE WRONG. The same goes for Neo-Nazis. I have never once supported Trump for President, neither did I vote for him. I avoid denigrating President Trump, simply out of a personal sense of distaste of badmouthing our President. I do not share his beliefs, condone the behavior of the man and I won't be sorry to see him out of Office. However, it my belief that The President, has very little actual power so I'm now focused on the levels of government in place to prevent our President from wreaking too much harm. Yes, the ugly, the deplorable and the extreme are emboldened. That only means a voice of reason and respect for humanity needs to hold itself to a higher standard and those who abuse their rights need to be held accountable. No matter who they are or what they stand for. It doesn't mean they don't have a basic right, in America, under the parameters set forth by our Constitution, to be assholes with a shitty point of view. It's a pity you have to defend yourself simply because you assign blame for the violence in VA on both sides. I look at it as clarifying my POV. When I get to a point where a conversation/debate places me in a defensive posture, I try to accept that I need to abtain from trying to proselytize my POV and respect that the other party has a right to their own beliefs. Or, I say Kiss my Ass, or Yes Dear. Potato/ Potahhtoe

CreativeDominant -> RE: White Nationalists turn violent in VA -- state of emergency called (8/22/2017 12:26:49 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: WhoreMods quote: ORIGINAL: Musicmystery quote: ORIGINAL: stef quote: ORIGINAL: Musicmystery Why do these clowns keep pretending people other than Nazis go parading carrying Nazi flags? Isn't that the point of a flag? Ready identification? They're not REAL Nazis, they're just trying to make a point. Or something. About how they're only Nazi-ish. Or just like their outfits. Yeah. Maybe. Who knows. But they're DEFINITELY not REAL Nazis. I mean, you would have to be some kind of libtard cuck to think they were REAL Nazis... And thus, the political philosophy of Moronism was born. Do you think Trump will run again as a Republican, or will he want to front the Moron Party? The Conservative Party, if it still has sense left, will run from both and start fronting their own candidate. He may not have any other option come 2020 if he carries on the way he's doing at present. The sane republicans (not the ones we get on here, obvs) seem to like him even less than the democrats do. Ironic that...you calling any Republican sane. Before Trump, name one Republican whose sane, rational policies you defended. If Trump were gone tomorrow, you'd be back to calling them all entitled, obstructionist, feeble-minded assholes. Just as you do those who find fault with what Trump first said but who also find fault with those on the left practicing violence

bounty44 -> RE: White Nationalists turn violent in VA -- state of emergency called (8/22/2017 12:30:56 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: BoscoX quote: ORIGINAL: Musicmystery quote: ORIGINAL: bounty44 quote: ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri quote: ORIGINAL: Musicmystery And your last sentence pretends I already haven't. Yet, you're only blaming and condemning the white supremacists for the violence, and knocking those who are putting the blame on both sides as supporting the white supremacists. that's been my observation also. No, you've been an apologist for armed nazis for a week and a half, by deflecting anywhere else you can. You continually decide what you think and then pretend you're seeing it in what others write. Nobody here has defended any Nazis but you You are literally projecting here in defense of your antifa speech Nazi friends What you posted perfectly fits you, and them absolutely incredibly %(#&* mind boggling. I mentioned earlier he's just a less vulgar version of mnottertroll and Thompson---im thinking now he has the same brains and lack of moral integrity they have also. just to summarize it all: bounty: the police were partially at fault for not doing their job maniacalmystery: Nazi! bounty: the counter-protestors were at fault, the police were at fault, the protestors were at fault maniacalmystery: Nazi! bounty: so hillwilliam, you cant make statements like that without being able to support them maniacalmystery: Nazi! bounty: I support anyone's rights to protest peacefully maniacalmystery: Nazi! bounty: people can carry weapons to protect themselves maniacalmystery: Nazi! bounty: you constantly show me you that you cannot articulate my views correctly maniacalmystery: Nazi! manicalmystery: I didn't get any bread with my soup bounty: you want bread? two dollars! maniacalmystery: Nazi! interacting with him makes me feel like im in the middle of an ann coulter article and he's one of the liberals she's ripping on.

WhoreMods -> RE: White Nationalists turn violent in VA -- state of emergency called (8/22/2017 12:31:16 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: CreativeDominant Before Trump, name one Republican whose sane, rational policies you defended. Eisenhower. Any more pissy little lies wrapped up in character assassination, or are you done with that now?

Musicmystery -> RE: White Nationalists turn violent in VA -- state of emergency called (8/22/2017 12:47:08 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: CreativeDominant quote: ORIGINAL: WhoreMods quote: ORIGINAL: Musicmystery quote: ORIGINAL: stef quote: ORIGINAL: Musicmystery Why do these clowns keep pretending people other than Nazis go parading carrying Nazi flags? Isn't that the point of a flag? Ready identification? They're not REAL Nazis, they're just trying to make a point. Or something. About how they're only Nazi-ish. Or just like their outfits. Yeah. Maybe. Who knows. But they're DEFINITELY not REAL Nazis. I mean, you would have to be some kind of libtard cuck to think they were REAL Nazis... And thus, the political philosophy of Moronism was born. Do you think Trump will run again as a Republican, or will he want to front the Moron Party? The Conservative Party, if it still has sense left, will run from both and start fronting their own candidate. He may not have any other option come 2020 if he carries on the way he's doing at present. The sane republicans (not the ones we get on here, obvs) seem to like him even less than the democrats do. Ironic that...you calling any Republican sane. Before Trump, name one Republican whose sane, rational policies you defended. If Trump were gone tomorrow, you'd be back to calling them all entitled, obstructionist, feeble-minded assholes. Just as you do those who find fault with what Trump first said but who also find fault with those on the left practicing violence I already played this game with another poster here. I listed Republicans I respect. His response? RINOs, all of them. [8\|] It's hard to take that shit seriously.

bounty44 -> RE: White Nationalists turn violent in VA -- state of emergency called (8/22/2017 12:47:31 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Nnanji quote: ORIGINAL: bounty44 quote: ORIGINAL: Danemora Respectfully speaking...its not as black and white as you both want to paint it to be theres nothing you just said im not in agreement with and ive laid fault at both the protesters, the counter-protesters and the police. exactly how then have I painted Charlottesville as something black and white? I'm not sure, in my mind, that the cops have any blame. I've never met a cop that would want to stand down in a situation like that. I believe they were forced to stand down by politicians with a political agenda. I agree---and id be happy to amend my wording to mean whoever was deficient higher up.

Musicmystery -> RE: White Nationalists turn violent in VA -- state of emergency called (8/22/2017 12:54:26 PM)
They don't want any more Ruby incidents. http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/ruby-ridge-siege-25-years-called-rallying-cry/story?id=49296439

tamaka -> RE: White Nationalists turn violent in VA -- state of emergency called (8/22/2017 1:00:22 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: bounty44 quote: ORIGINAL: BoscoX quote: ORIGINAL: Musicmystery quote: ORIGINAL: bounty44 quote: ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri quote: ORIGINAL: Musicmystery And your last sentence pretends I already haven't. Yet, you're only blaming and condemning the white supremacists for the violence, and knocking those who are putting the blame on both sides as supporting the white supremacists. that's been my observation also. No, you've been an apologist for armed nazis for a week and a half, by deflecting anywhere else you can. You continually decide what you think and then pretend you're seeing it in what others write. Nobody here has defended any Nazis but you You are literally projecting here in defense of your antifa speech Nazi friends What you posted perfectly fits you, and them absolutely incredibly %(#&* mind boggling. I mentioned earlier he's just a less vulgar version of mnottertroll and Thompson---im thinking now he has the same brains and lack of moral integrity they have also. just to summarize it all: bounty: the police were partially at fault for not doing their job maniacalmystery: Nazi! bounty: the counter-protestors were at fault, the police were at fault, the protestors were at fault maniacalmystery: Nazi! bounty: so hillwilliam, you cant make statements like that without being able to support them maniacalmystery: Nazi! bounty: I support anyone's rights to protest peacefully maniacalmystery: Nazi! bounty: people can carry weapons to protect themselves maniacalmystery: Nazi! bounty: you constantly show me you that you cannot articulate my views correctly maniacalmystery: Nazi! manicalmystery: I didn't get any bread with my soup bounty: you want bread? two dollars! maniacalmystery: Nazi! interacting with him makes me feel like im in the middle of an ann coulter article and he's one of the liberals she's ripping on. Lol. Great summation!

Musicmystery -> RE: White Nationalists turn violent in VA -- state of emergency called (8/22/2017 1:02:56 PM)
Good examples of straw man. If only he had responses to the actual posts.

BoscoX -> RE: White Nationalists turn violent in VA -- state of emergency called (8/22/2017 1:04:36 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: bounty44 absolutely incredibly %(#&* mind boggling. I mentioned earlier he's just a less vulgar version of mnottertroll and Thompson---im thinking now he has the same brains and lack of moral integrity they have also. just to summarize it all: bounty: the police were partially at fault for not doing their job maniacalmystery: Nazi! bounty: the counter-protestors were at fault, the police were at fault, the protestors were at fault maniacalmystery: Nazi! bounty: so hillwilliam, you cant make statements like that without being able to support them maniacalmystery: Nazi! bounty: I support anyone's rights to protest peacefully maniacalmystery: Nazi! bounty: people can carry weapons to protect themselves maniacalmystery: Nazi! bounty: you constantly show me you that you cannot articulate my views correctly maniacalmystery: Nazi! manicalmystery: I didn't get any bread with my soup bounty: you want bread? two dollars! maniacalmystery: Nazi! interacting with him makes me feel like im in the middle of an ann coulter article and he's one of the liberals she's ripping on. Not surprising. He has posted that he admires mnottertail I wouldn't be the least surprised to learn that he also admires thompson

Musicmystery -> RE: White Nationalists turn violent in VA -- state of emergency called (8/22/2017 1:07:03 PM)
...and therefore people carrying Nazi flags are not Nazis. You guys would be a great comedy team if you only had better material.

AtUrCervix -> RE: White Nationalists turn violent in VA -- state of emergency called (8/22/2017 1:10:16 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Musicmystery ...and therefore people carrying Nazi flags are not Nazis. You guys would be a great comedy team if you only had better material. Actually...they're not. These punks today wouldn't have the balls to be real Nazi's...they're wanna be Nazis. If they didn't have police protection, they'd go crying home to their Mama's in a heartbeat.

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