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vincentML -> RE: White Nationalists turn violent in VA -- state of emergency called (8/24/2017 6:37:51 AM)
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ORIGINAL: tweakabelle
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ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri
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ORIGINAL: Musicmystery
One group is about hatred, another about opposing the hatred.
Again, you and I are never going to agree on this. It's not spin -- it's flat out reality.
Nazis -- anti-Nazis. Not the same. Cause . . . effect/reaction. Not the same.
And a dead woman run down by a Nazi car.
Not the same. Hold your breath, stomp your feet -- not the same.
That we have a president who thinks "These are good people" is sickening.
You're now painting all those who attended a rally that was intended to prevent a statue of R.E. Lee from being taken down with a broad brush. Can you prove there were no "good people" in the group that opposed Lee's statue removal?
DS, what is missing from your posts is an acknowledgement of the purpose of the rally.
The rally was labelled by its organisers as a 'Unite the Right' rally. They chose not to label it as a 'Save the Statue' rally, even though it stands to reason that this slogan would have a far wider appeal. It also stands to reason that the title of the rally would be discouraging to anyone uncomfortable with the notion of uniting the right. From wiki:
"Among the far-right groups engaged in organizing the march were the clubs of the neo-Nazi website The Daily Stormer,[21] The Right Stuff,[22] the National Policy Institute,[23] and four groups that form the Nationalist Front:[20] the neo-Confederate League of the South,[20] the Traditionalist Workers Party,[24] Vanguard America,[24] and the National Socialist Movement.[20] Other groups involved in the rally were the Ku Klux Klan,[6] the Fraternal Order of Alt-Knights,[24] the 3 Percenters,[9] Identity Evropa,[2] the Oath Keepers,[25] the American Guard,[26] the Pennsylvania Light Foot Militia,[27] the New York Light Foot Militia,[28] the Virginia Minutemen Militia,[29] the Detroit Right Wings,[30] the Rise Above Movement,[3] True Cascadia,[31] and Anti-Communist Action.[26]
Prominent far-right figures in attendance included National Policy Institute Chairman Richard Spencer,[32] entertainer Baked Alaska,[32] former Libertarian Party candidate Augustus Invictus,[33] former Klan Imperial Wizard David Duke,[34] Identity Evropa leader Nathan Damigo,[35] Traditionalist Youth Network CEO Matthew Heimbach,[32] Rebel Media journalist Faith Goldy,[36] Right Stuff founder Mike Enoch,[32] League of the South founder Michael Hill,[3] Red Ice host Henrik Palmgren,[37] Right Side Broadcasting Network host Nicholas Fuentes,[38] YouTube personality James Allsup,[38] AltRight.com editor Daniel Friberg,[39] former Business Insider CTO Pax Dickinson,[40] Right Stuff blogger Johnny Monoxide,[41] Daily Stormer writer Robert "Azzmador" Ray,[42] Daily Caller contributor and rally organizer Jason Kessler,[43] and Radical Agenda host Christopher Cantwell.[44][45] Gavin McInnes, the leader of the self-described "Western chauvinist" Proud Boys group, was invited to attend but declined because of an unwillingness "to be associated with explicit neo-Nazis."[46] In June, ahead of the rally, McInnes declared that "we need to distance ourselves from them," but "after backlash to the original disavowal flared-up from Alt-Right circles, the statement was withdrawn and replaced with another distancing the Proud Boys from the event yet also encouraging those who 'feel compelled' to attend."[47]
So the rally's main goal, if the title the organisers chose for it is relevant, was not the defence of a statue, but to "Unite the Right". The statue issue provided a useful cover, being one of the few issues that most of the disparate looney-Right and far-Right groups agree upon.
"The rally organizer, Jason Kessler, also cited the renaming as a reason for the rally.[5][16] Another organizer, Nathan Damigo, said the rally was intended to unify white nationalist factions."
It is noteworthy that one prominent far-Right wing leader declined to attend because he didn't wish "to be associated with explicit neo-Nazis." Just as significant is the fact that he was forced to back pedal his opposition after a fierce backlash from alt-Right circles. So I feel that it can be stated with confidence that anyone attending the rally was comfortable about being associated with neo-Nazis, the KKK and the like.
There may well have been a few "good people" concerned about the destruction of Southern heritage at the rally. They need to explain very clearly why they chose to articulate their viewpoint at a 'Unite the Right' rally rather than a rally solely concerned with preserving Confederacy heritage/memorials. There were lots of other platforms and occasions for them to express their views without publicly associating with Nazi filth. They need to explain why they allowed whatever principles and morals they profess to uphold to be utterly, possibly fatally compromised by association with toxic fascists, racists and hate mongers. They cannot claim naivety or misguided innocence - even prominent far Right figures recognised the dangers and understood the implications of publicly associating with neo-Nazi thugs.
So the question of whether there were any "good people" there is very much an open to disputation. It seems to me that all the above has very damaging implications for the position you have chosen to adopt on this issue.
QFT
Wake up, America! The barbarians are at the gate and their tribal chief is already in the White House..
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