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Wayward5oul -> RE: White Nationalists turn violent in VA -- state of emergency called (8/13/2017 12:00:05 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Greta75 FR All I want to say is, all the white politicians who have nothing to do with White Supremacists, and are not responsible for the actions of White Supremacists are apologetic and angry and criticizing the white Supremacists. They are loud. They are outage that their own kind are killing minorities. Please take note Lefties. This is the reaction of a normal human being who genuinely from the bottom of their hearts, believe that killing minorities is wrong. They don't keep quiet. They do not say, white supremacists has nothing to do with them. Instead, they feel responsible! And they are loud in condemning it! And they are outrage their own people are doing something like this, making their race look bad. This is all normal reaction of a genuine people who genuinely doesn't want other races dead. Which this incident is proof to me that Muslims who always react defensively like saying, "Other Muslims killing non-Muslims has absolutely nothing to do with them, why should they even bother saying anything? It's not their fault." That's the typical response. IS clearly guilty of quietly supporting ISIS. Their reaction is often defensive and anger for even asking them what they feel about ISIS. It's like this defensive, "Why are you asking me this? What ISIS does has nothing to do with me." If a genuine Muslim does not want non-Muslim dead. They should be reacting like these white politicians. Hey Greta, do you mind if for once a topic doesn't get derailed into a Muslim thread? Muslims have nothing to do with what happened, so can we keep in touch and keep them out of it, just this once?

Nnanji -> RE: White Nationalists turn violent in VA -- state of emergency called (8/13/2017 12:02:52 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: MrRodgers quote: ORIGINAL: vincentML quote: ORIGINAL: BamaD quote: ORIGINAL: WhoreMods Will this be the disgruntled dems' fault, then? It is both groups fault. The white nationalist shouldn't have the demonstration. The leftists should stay away. God damn, Bama! I think you have it, the solution to all our racial strife. If only the Union soldiers had stayed away there would not have been a Civil War. Just fucking brilliant! Why didn't Lincoln think of that? Sheeesch!!!! Isn't that how all of the status quo white empowered people do when facing an issue...just stay away ? I wonder if that would work with the rightist corp. welfare, lobbyist crowd ? More tin foil hats. Where are these status quo white empowered people? Are they hiding behind microagressions in a safe space somewhere?

MrRodgers -> RE: White Nationalists turn violent in VA -- state of emergency called (8/13/2017 12:04:30 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: kdsub Vince I am sorry but I don't waste my time reading Tom so his comments are not relevant but yours are...I always appreciate your viewpoint although we often disagree. There is no doubt in my mind that there are many racists in this matter....please don't think i am defending them. I also have no doubt that there are many non-racists that are just as I said...defending their heritage... there is a difference. We have work to do as a society when it comes to our racial attitudes and I am not denying this. But you should stop grouping all people together because of the actions of a few. I hear this all the time when it comes to Muslims and agree but this logic should also be applied to this situation. Many people, myself included, think our ancestral heritage is important... it is a link to the past for good or bad... They are a part of me... their genes course through my body... I care little about your attitude towards them. I happen to believe people fighting in the Civil war for the CSA should be forgiven their sins. They were victims of their upbringing in their attitudes towards blacks... Today however there is no excuse and we should all be appalled at the racists attitudes displayed. There is only one moral side and it is certainly not with the white racists in Charlottsville. My personal opinion is no statue or monument glorifying the CSA should be on Public property. Here in St. Louis a monument to the CSA was on display in our public park. The decision, and a wise one, was to have the monument removed and given to a history society for display. This is as it should be handled. I just wanted to point out that not all those protesting the monument removal are racists and I attempted to explain what i thought their reasoning may be... I am not saying they are even right to protest, but it is their right, but they should be separated from the obvious racists that you are describing and we are seeing. Butch What heritage ? The real heritage you write of...is racism, slavery and subjugation. ISIS and the rest of our current Islamic jihad pay such homage to such sectarian (often racist) ideals ? A sympathizer on a story about Russia wrote that he is sure there are some proud Russians that would show popular dissent or discontent with that current moment in affairs. I thought, just what does a Russian have to be proud of ? Would it be living under Czarist or communist despotism since the dark ages be what makes them so proud ? Despite the often violent and tragic pains involved, I'll take the far superior values and 'heritage' of the west.

Greta75 -> RE: White Nationalists turn violent in VA -- state of emergency called (8/13/2017 12:05:59 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Wayward5oul Hey Greta, do you mind if for once a topic doesn't get derailed into a Muslim thread? Muslims have nothing to do with what happened, so can we keep in touch and keep them out of it, just this once? Actually, it was Nancy Pelosi comments that made it about Muslims. When she said Trump should say White Supremacists is an Affront to American Values. She is referring to Trump saying something in the lines of Islam is an Affront to American Values.

Nnanji -> RE: White Nationalists turn violent in VA -- state of emergency called (8/13/2017 12:07:33 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: MrRodgers quote: ORIGINAL: thompsonx ORIGINAL: Nnanji Sort of a gang pay back sort of thing. Gang payback...is the klan still pissed about abolishing slavery? Oh no, now they partner with them and often offer sharecropping on the land. You see that way as the British bankers so eloquently put it, the slave has costs...the wage earner has $1/hr and pays his own support. Much more cost-effective. Then when $1/hr isn't enough, call them poor, let the whole world know it is all their fault. Then resist in every way their right to vote, what congressional district they live in what jobs they can take to supplement their agric. wage slavery...if any where they can and cannot go where they can or cannot sit where they can or cannot drink or eat. Most of that after 100 years, is thankfully gone, but most certainly took its toll. Controlling wages and votes and who they can vote for...should 'keep [them] in their place' now. I'm confused. Is this tin foil hat or reason and judgement of modern mankind. Can you point out a sharecropper making $1.00 an hour? Why do you reach back 100 years and still argue the reason and judgement of modern mankind?

Nnanji -> RE: White Nationalists turn violent in VA -- state of emergency called (8/13/2017 12:11:31 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: MrRodgers quote: ORIGINAL: Nnanji quote: ORIGINAL: thompsonx ORIGINAL: Nnanji Sort of a gang pay back sort of thing. Gang payback...is the klan still pissed about abolishing slavery? Probably, but I'd bet it's more strongly related to current efforts by groups like BLM and antifa. I'd say they are making a point that if those groups can behave badly they have the same ability to do so. Good ole' white law & order America hey ? But the real fact of the matter is and having brought them up, to most, yes I will say most whites...black lives don't matter. Wow! But...but...what about the reason and judgement of modern mankind. Enough straw here to restuff all my mattresses. You do argue from both sides of your face.

Nnanji -> RE: White Nationalists turn violent in VA -- state of emergency called (8/13/2017 12:14:17 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: WhoreMods quote: ORIGINAL: Nnanji quote: ORIGINAL: WhoreMods quote: ORIGINAL: Nnanji quote: ORIGINAL: WhoreMods quote: ORIGINAL: Lucylastic do you mean nastis, white supremacists and bigoted pigs are learning this from BLM or "antifa"? No, she means that if she can manage to contrive a similarity between the two then she can accuse anybody who criticises the display of fuckwittery in Virginia of hypocrisy, and so turn the thread into an argument based around personal attacks rather than a discussion of the issues involved. Basic troll rhetorics, Lucy: what passes for sophistry among these people. Or, mind reading and projecting are actual basic troll tactics. That isn't a denial, dear. Why would I need to feed a troll? Are you that self important that you believe you are important to me? Are you that intent on derailing a discussion that until you and Lucy came along was actually discussing? Still not a denial. Ya, you can follow a little thread. Now try to keep up with big ideas.... Sorry, didn't mean to bring up your short comings troll. Let it go whore. Make a untrollish comment.

WhoreMods -> RE: White Nationalists turn violent in VA -- state of emergency called (8/13/2017 12:16:44 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Nnanji quote: ORIGINAL: WhoreMods quote: ORIGINAL: Nnanji quote: ORIGINAL: WhoreMods quote: ORIGINAL: Nnanji quote: ORIGINAL: WhoreMods quote: ORIGINAL: Lucylastic do you mean nastis, white supremacists and bigoted pigs are learning this from BLM or "antifa"? No, she means that if she can manage to contrive a similarity between the two then she can accuse anybody who criticises the display of fuckwittery in Virginia of hypocrisy, and so turn the thread into an argument based around personal attacks rather than a discussion of the issues involved. Basic troll rhetorics, Lucy: what passes for sophistry among these people. Or, mind reading and projecting are actual basic troll tactics. That isn't a denial, dear. Why would I need to feed a troll? Are you that self important that you believe you are important to me? Are you that intent on derailing a discussion that until you and Lucy came along was actually discussing? Still not a denial. Ya, you can follow a little thread. Now try to keep up with big ideas.... Sorry, didn't mean to bring up your short comings troll. Let it go whore. Make a untrollish comment. Personal abuse rather than a denial or rebuttal but I'm the one trolling here? Cute.

Nnanji -> RE: White Nationalists turn violent in VA -- state of emergency called (8/13/2017 12:19:11 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: MrRodgers quote: ORIGINAL: kdsub Vince I am sorry but I don't waste my time reading Tom so his comments are not relevant but yours are...I always appreciate your viewpoint although we often disagree. There is no doubt in my mind that there are many racists in this matter....please don't think i am defending them. I also have no doubt that there are many non-racists that are just as I said...defending their heritage... there is a difference. We have work to do as a society when it comes to our racial attitudes and I am not denying this. But you should stop grouping all people together because of the actions of a few. I hear this all the time when it comes to Muslims and agree but this logic should also be applied to this situation. Many people, myself included, think our ancestral heritage is important... it is a link to the past for good or bad... They are a part of me... their genes course through my body... I care little about your attitude towards them. I happen to believe people fighting in the Civil war for the CSA should be forgiven their sins. They were victims of their upbringing in their attitudes towards blacks... Today however there is no excuse and we should all be appalled at the racists attitudes displayed. There is only one moral side and it is certainly not with the white racists in Charlottsville. My personal opinion is no statue or monument glorifying the CSA should be on Public property. Here in St. Louis a monument to the CSA was on display in our public park. The decision, and a wise one, was to have the monument removed and given to a history society for display. This is as it should be handled. I just wanted to point out that not all those protesting the monument removal are racists and I attempted to explain what i thought their reasoning may be... I am not saying they are even right to protest, but it is their right, but they should be separated from the obvious racists that you are describing and we are seeing. Butch What heritage ? The real heritage you write of...is racism, slavery and subjugation. ISIS and the rest of our current Islamic jihad pay such homage to such sectarian (often racist) ideals ? A sympathizer on a story about Russia wrote that he is sure there are some proud Russians that would show popular dissent or discontent with that current moment in affairs. I thought, just what does a Russian have to be proud of ? Would it be living under Czarist or communist despotism since the dark ages be what makes them so proud ? Despite the often violent and tragic pains involved, I'll take the far superior values and 'heritage' of the west. That's right...the only thing, the absolute only heritage from the south is slavery. What a simpleton. Oh, yes, the west is only about dark age repression and slavery. What a simple mind. I'll have to put off that trip to the Louve because I can't stand being confronted by all of that art based on slavery.

MrRodgers -> RE: White Nationalists turn violent in VA -- state of emergency called (8/13/2017 12:25:16 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Nnanji quote: ORIGINAL: thompsonx ORIGINAL: Nnanji ORIGINAL: thompsonx 1925 was nearly 100 years ago VMl. The incident with the klan was last night. Wow a hundred years and not much has changed except the robes are polyester wash and wear and not the old fashioned kind that you have to iron. The incident that VML was referencing was in 1925. my reference was to his incident. My reference was to the fact that not much has changed. Bigots are still trying to force their shit on society. And why does that appear to surprise you? Only you think it appears to surprise me. It is a human condition and always will be. No it is the condition of punkassmotherphoquers who think that skin color has some significance to humanity. Yes, and if it wasn't skin color it would be something else or grunts wouldn't use p's for target practice as you say. It's a human condition. The human condition is intellectual vacuity and social injustice. That means that the majority (white) people are now and had used for years and...found that 'something else.' In this case, it's not religion like is has been throughout history, it's not hair color or background...it is race. And that majority in the case (whites) feels itself empowered to subjugate others who are 'not like us.' That it may also be suffered by those who are 'not like them' makes the situation worse. So it's not a 'human condition' it is human weakness and prejudice, such frailties that mankind should be able to remove from heritage, tradition, culture and politics.

Nnanji -> RE: White Nationalists turn violent in VA -- state of emergency called (8/13/2017 12:47:55 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: MrRodgers quote: ORIGINAL: Nnanji quote: ORIGINAL: thompsonx ORIGINAL: Nnanji ORIGINAL: thompsonx 1925 was nearly 100 years ago VMl. The incident with the klan was last night. Wow a hundred years and not much has changed except the robes are polyester wash and wear and not the old fashioned kind that you have to iron. The incident that VML was referencing was in 1925. my reference was to his incident. My reference was to the fact that not much has changed. Bigots are still trying to force their shit on society. And why does that appear to surprise you? Only you think it appears to surprise me. It is a human condition and always will be. No it is the condition of punkassmotherphoquers who think that skin color has some significance to humanity. Yes, and if it wasn't skin color it would be something else or grunts wouldn't use p's for target practice as you say. It's a human condition. The human condition is intellectual vacuity and social injustice. That means that the majority (white) people are now and had used for years and...found that 'something else.' In this case, it's not religion like is has been throughout history, it's not hair color or background...it is race. And that majority in the case (whites) feels itself empowered to subjugate others who are 'not like us.' That it may also be suffered by those who are 'not like them' makes the situation worse. So it's not a 'human condition' it is human weakness and prejudice, such frailties that mankind should be able to remove from heritage, tradition, culture and politics. You're arguing against yourself once again. How is a human weakness and prejudice not a human condition? Really, the human condition is intellectual vacuity and social injustice. I'll definitely then not go to see the Louve celebrate that. Pew. The "majority of whites" feel empowered to subjugate others? Then I guess all of those leftist loonies stating otherwise are merely being liars so they can be sneaky about it and all on the political right who voted for the civil rights act are just implementing a long plan that will eventually lead to them subjugating others. Oh, and all of those law implemented in your post 92 are just subterfuge. And I guess the reason and judgement of modern mankind is a lie as well. Will you ever discuss out of one side of your face is the real question now?

kdsub -> RE: White Nationalists turn violent in VA -- state of emergency called (8/13/2017 1:47:57 PM)
Mr Rodgers you are not thinking... you are looking at that era with today's eyes. Do you think of yourself as a bad person?... Do you eat meat?... say 150 years from now people would look at you as a low life racist cannibal because in their era animals are respected like people. Because of the way people would think of you in the future does that make you any different than how you think of yourself today... a good person? Otherwise if you were born and raised in the deep south in say 1820 what do you think your thoughts would be on slaves? Can't you see how these people were not racists as we think of them today...They were raised in a society where slaves were not equal to whites... they just knew no different. Now today in our enlightened society people are raised differently. Being racists today is much different than the social norms of my ancestors... it is much worse because we know better. Most southerners did not own salves... that was far the rich. During the war they were not fighting to preserve slavery... they were fighting for their homes and families. They were good people that deserve to be remembered and forgiven. There should be no forgiveness for the racists in Charlottesville but not all of the protesters are racists... that is all I've been saying in this thread. Butch

WickedsDesire -> RE: White Nationalists turn violent in VA -- state of emergency called (8/13/2017 1:52:12 PM)
You are the worst poster on here bar zero - tell me something about me, please :)

thompsonx -> RE: White Nationalists turn violent in VA -- state of emergency called (8/13/2017 4:28:00 PM)
ORIGINAL: Nnanji That's right...the only thing, the absolute only heritage from the south is slavery. What a simpleton. Please enlighten us as to the cultural heritage gifts the south has left us with? Oh, yes, the west is only about dark age repression and slavery. What a simple mind. I'll have to put off that trip to the Louve because I can't stand being confronted by all of that art based on slavery. Lots of stolen art in the louvre also. https://www.theguardian.com/artanddesign/2014/nov/13/10-most-notorious-looted-artworks-nazis-napoleon

Musicmystery -> RE: White Nationalists turn violent in VA -- state of emergency called (8/13/2017 4:30:31 PM)
When everybody gets done being pseudo-philosophical. . . A bunch of bigots pretending to be history buffs strove to intimidate a town and got people killed.

WickedsDesire -> RE: White Nationalists turn violent in VA -- state of emergency called (8/13/2017 4:40:33 PM)
warm perhaps toasty what do you want me to do about this?

BoscoX -> RE: White Nationalists turn violent in VA -- state of emergency called (8/13/2017 4:46:07 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Musicmystery When everybody gets done being pseudo-philosophical. . . A bunch of bigots pretending to be history buffs strove to intimidate a town and got people killed. The communists clashed with the Nazis Popcorn sales increased

WickedsDesire -> RE: White Nationalists turn violent in VA -- state of emergency called (8/13/2017 4:52:35 PM)
All I saw was your lot killing does it excite you?

Nnanji -> RE: White Nationalists turn violent in VA -- state of emergency called (8/13/2017 5:02:14 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: thompsonx ORIGINAL: Nnanji That's right...the only thing, the absolute only heritage from the south is slavery. What a simpleton. Please enlighten us as to the cultural heritage gifts the south has left us with? Oh, yes, the west is only about dark age repression and slavery. What a simple mind. I'll have to put off that trip to the Louve because I can't stand being confronted by all of that art based on slavery. Lots of stolen art in the louvre also. https://www.theguardian.com/artanddesign/2014/nov/13/10-most-notorious-looted-artworks-nazis-napoleon https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Culture_of_the_Southern_United_States

thompsonx -> RE: White Nationalists turn violent in VA -- state of emergency called (8/13/2017 5:07:22 PM)
ORIGINAL: kdsub Mr Rodgers you are not thinking... you are looking at that era with today's eyes. If you had ever read a history book written for someone beyond the fifth grade you would know that slavery was viewed as a grave social injustice. Look up the gag order for phoques sake. Do you think of yourself as a bad person?... Do you eat meat?... say 150 years from now people would look at you as a low life racist cannibal because in their era animals are respected like people. Because of the way people would think of you in the future does that make you any different than how you think of yourself today... a good person? Otherwise if you were born and raised in the deep south in say 1820 what do you think your thoughts would be on slaves? Can't you see how these people were not racists as we think of them today...They were raised in a society where slaves were not equal to whites... they just knew no different. Now today in our enlightened society people are raised differently. Being racists today is much different th Absolutely since slavery had a direct impact on the price of free labor. an the social norms of my ancestors... it is much worse because we know better. We knew better then dumbass. Most southerners did not own salves... that was far the rich. About a third of southerners owned slaves so there must have been a lot of rich people. During the war they were not fighting to preserve slavery... they were fighting for their homes and families. The articles of secession that each state submitted stated that the preservation of slavery was the purpose of their leaving. They were good people that deserve to be remembered and forgiven. They were traitors. There should be no forgiveness for the racists in Charlottesville but not all of the protesters are racists... that is all I've been saying in this thread. Well tell us which one of those swastika wearing kkk robe wearing punkassmotherphoquers was not a bigot? If you march nesxt to a klansman but you don't have a robe does that mean you are not a racist?

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