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bounty44 -> RE: The white supremacy incident (8/18/2017 9:07:03 AM)

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ORIGINAL: BoscoX


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there are many differences between liberal and conservatives points of view, one of them is the question as to whether or not shows of strength, as opposed to looking "inoffensive" forestalls acts of aggression or precipitates them.

Well, I guess your Nazis settled that question.


May be your Nazis. Word is, they may have been led by an Obama supporter

http://wina.com/news/064460-jason-kessler-participated-in-occupy-says-another-activist/



that aside---and its pretty clear this irony is lost on the comrades---that their antifa crowd engaged in the very same behavior they decry amongst the white supremacists, and they are doing the same thing here.




BoscoX -> RE: The white supremacy incident (8/18/2017 9:10:14 AM)


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worth a read:

http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2017/08/16/timeline-leading-to-declaration-of-unlawful-assembly-at-emancipation-park-rally-in-charlottesville-virginia-on-august-12/

"Timeline Leading to Declaration of Unlawful Assembly at Emancipation Park Rally in Charlottesville, Virginia on August 12"

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Law enforcement officers in full riot gear then began forming a line at the rear of Emancipation Park, slowly moving forward to push people out of the park and toward the counter-protesters, many of whom were acting aggressively. Police warned anyone who remained in the park, on the street or in the sidewalk that they would be arrested.







You can't be a true Nazi unless you are in power, right




bounty44 -> RE: The white supremacy incident (8/18/2017 9:10:18 AM)

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mnottertail [Awaiting Approval]


the only thing better would be having your well-deserved sorry ass completely banned.




DesideriScuri -> RE: The white supremacy incident (8/18/2017 9:15:18 AM)

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there are many differences between liberal and conservatives points of view, one of them is the question as to whether or not shows of strength, as opposed to looking "inoffensive" forestalls acts of aggression or precipitates them.

Well, I guess your Nazis settled that question.

May be your Nazis. Word is, they may have been led by an Obama supporter
http://wina.com/news/064460-jason-kessler-participated-in-occupy-says-another-activist/



Former Obama supporter. Apparently, he attended a OWS event in Charlottsville but didn't see eye to eye with the people.

http://www.snopes.com/2017/08/17/jason-kessler-soros-deep-state-plant/




tamaka -> RE: The white supremacy incident (8/18/2017 9:54:15 AM)


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I don't know the requirements of the permit---but philosophically speaking, its beside the point and the question still stands.





The permits issued are pretty straight forward, and based on the first amendment:

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

Which basically means that the city issues a permit for people to gather peacefully to protest or whatever.

It also puts the responsibility for the protection of the protestors on local law enforcement.

By carrying guns in their march, the Neo Nazi groups violated the permit, and the city would have been well within the law to arrest anyone carrying a firearm or weapon of any type.




Carrying a gun does not violate anything. People open carry guns when they go shopping.




bounty44 -> RE: The white supremacy incident (8/18/2017 9:57:08 AM)

there have been at least 2-3 people who have stated carrying a weapon violated the conditions of the permit for a protest assembly. ive asked, twice now, for actual evidence to be shown of that.




tamaka -> RE: The white supremacy incident (8/18/2017 10:01:12 AM)


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there have been at least 2-3 people who have stated carrying a weapon violated the conditions of the permit for a protest assembly. ive asked, twice now, for actual evidence to be shown of that.


People just like to make up shit as they go along.




BoscoX -> RE: The white supremacy incident (8/18/2017 10:01:17 AM)


Snopes is a fringe kook website.




Made2Obey -> RE: The white supremacy incident (8/18/2017 10:06:03 AM)

The counter protesters DID have permits to assemble that day, but they were for McGuffey Park not Emancipation Park, so simply by being in Emancipation Park they were clearly in violation of their permits. Why isn't anyone crying about that?




jlf1961 -> RE: The white supremacy incident (8/18/2017 10:31:42 AM)


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there have been at least 2-3 people who have stated carrying a weapon violated the conditions of the permit for a protest assembly. ive asked, twice now, for actual evidence to be shown of that.


People just like to make up shit as they go along.

I suggest you actually read the city of Charlottesville Va. regulations concerning special events permits.

But hey, we have all noticed your decidedly limited ability to actually look up facts.




tamaka -> RE: The white supremacy incident (8/18/2017 11:06:57 AM)

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there have been at least 2-3 people who have stated carrying a weapon violated the conditions of the permit for a protest assembly. ive asked, twice now, for actual evidence to be shown of that.


People just like to make up shit as they go along.

I suggest you actually read the city of Charlottesville Va. regulations concerning special events permits.

But hey, we have all noticed your decidedly limited ability to actually look up facts.



http://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/us_5995f07ce4b03b5e472cedd5




Lucylastic -> RE: The white supremacy incident (8/18/2017 11:54:53 AM)


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The counter protesters DID have permits to assemble that day, but they were for McGuffey Park not Emancipation Park, so simply by being in Emancipation Park they were clearly in violation of their permits. Why isn't anyone crying about that?

except the park wasnt where the driving into crowds happened, most of the violence happened in the street.




Lucylastic -> RE: The white supremacy incident (8/18/2017 11:56:47 AM)


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there have been at least 2-3 people who have stated carrying a weapon violated the conditions of the permit for a protest assembly. ive asked, twice now, for actual evidence to be shown of that.

You are just as able to look up the damn permit as anyone else, do it yourself to prove someone wrong.
Its easy and how the rest of us do it.
You demanding it, isnt gonna work.




Hillwilliam -> RE: The white supremacy incident (8/18/2017 11:56:49 AM)


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ORIGINAL: tamaka


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I don't know the requirements of the permit---but philosophically speaking, its beside the point and the question still stands.





The permits issued are pretty straight forward, and based on the first amendment:

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

Which basically means that the city issues a permit for people to gather peacefully to protest or whatever.

It also puts the responsibility for the protection of the protestors on local law enforcement.

By carrying guns in their march, the Neo Nazi groups violated the permit, and the city would have been well within the law to arrest anyone carrying a firearm or weapon of any type.




Carrying a gun does not violate anything. People open carry guns when they go shopping.


Whether it violates anything depends upon state and local ordinances and the wording on their permit.




Real0ne -> RE: The white supremacy incident (8/18/2017 12:03:40 PM)

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there have been at least 2-3 people who have stated carrying a weapon violated the conditions of the permit for a protest assembly. ive asked, twice now, for actual evidence to be shown of that.


People just like to make up shit as they go along.

I suggest you actually read the city of Charlottesville Va. regulations concerning special events permits.

But hey, we have all noticed your decidedly limited ability to actually look up facts.



http://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/us_5995f07ce4b03b5e472cedd5



But thats a lie isnt it? statist propaganda isnt it? Lets take a look:




Charlottesville Shows That States Must Amend Their Open-Carry Laws
A Virginia statute passed in 1997 precludes Charlottesville from exercising any common sense in such situations.
08/17/2017 03:39 pm ET Updated 4 hours ago
NurPhoto via Getty Images

We’ve all seen the pictures from Charlottesville. Peaceful protesters being met with men carrying military-style weapons.
Many of those unarmed were probably intimidated. I certainly think I would have been. Peaceful protesters have the right to bear arms and peacefully protest with everyone else who has the right to bear arms and peaceably protest.

What did the scene represent? Were we looking at a clash of grand constitutional values, a clash between the cherished First Amendment right to protest peacefully and the revered Second Amendment right to bear arms? Or were we looking at something much more mundane?

The answer is the latter. Our Founding Fathers didn’t tie us into a constitutional knot. Our state legislatures, bowing to pressure from groups like the NRA, did so not too many years back.


Nothing in the Second Amendment gives anyone the right to carry a gun whenever and wherever one may choose. In the Supreme Court’s seminal opinion in the Heller case, the late Justice Antonin Scalia emphasized that “the right secured by the Second Amendment is not unlimited.” State regulations, for example, prohibiting “the carrying of firearms in sensitive places such as schools and government buildings,” Justice Scalia explained, were undoubtedly constitutional.


Now I know you nor anyone esle has any defense for this garbage, and lets keeping in mind that this country has arms as a means of overuling a corrupt supreme court, I will ask the question anyway;

Show me anywhere in the constitution where the people stipulated to any form of gubmint intervention at any time what so ever to infringe on our right to bear arms.

Here let me help:



the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.




Nope no stipulation for the gubmint to regulate anything in there that I can see, anyone?

Looks like people absolutely have the right to bear arms
especially in gubmint buildings and on gubmint property.







jlf1961 -> RE: The white supremacy incident (8/18/2017 1:21:52 PM)


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ORIGINAL: bounty44

there have been at least 2-3 people who have stated carrying a weapon violated the conditions of the permit for a protest assembly. ive asked, twice now, for actual evidence to be shown of that.


People just like to make up shit as they go along.

I suggest you actually read the city of Charlottesville Va. regulations concerning special events permits.

But hey, we have all noticed your decidedly limited ability to actually look up facts.



http://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/us_5995f07ce4b03b5e472cedd5



That had nothing to do with the permits as issued.

Any state or local government can say no firearms at events such as this, and the city did just that.

It falls under "temporary suspension of state or local ordinances" a power every town has.

In other words, during the permitted event, the open carry laws were suspended by city power for the duration of the event.

In actuality, contrary to the anti gun bias of huffpost, every state with open carry laws also has, within the structure of those laws, specific instances where open carry is not allowed, and punishable by fine, arrest or both.

In fact:

Open carry is generally allowed without a permit for people 18 years of age and older. The following cities and counties have exceptions that disallow the open carry of "assault weapons" (any firearm that is equipped with a magazine that will hold more than 20 rounds of ammunition or is designed by the manufacturer to accommodate a silencer or equipped with a folding stock) or shotguns equipped with a magazine that holds more than 7 rounds: the Cities of Alexandria, Chesapeake, Fairfax, Falls Church, Newport News, Norfolk, Richmond, and Virginia Beach and in the Counties of Arlington, Fairfax, Henrico, Loudoun, and Prince William. These restrictions do not apply to valid concealed carry permit holders. Stated differently, you may open carry an assault weapon/shotgun with more than 7 rounds with a permit in the aforementioned locations, but do not need a permit to do so in any other locality in Virginia.


§ 18.2-308. Carrying concealed weapons; exceptions; penalty.

A. If any person carries about his person, hidden from common observation, (i) any pistol, revolver, or other weapon designed or intended to propel a missile of any kind by action of an explosion of any combustible material; (ii) any dirk, bowie knife, switchblade knife, ballistic knife, machete, razor, slingshot, spring stick, metal knucks, or blackjack; (iii) any flailing instrument consisting of two or more rigid parts connected in such a manner as to allow them to swing freely, which may be known as a nun chahka, nun chuck, nunchaku, shuriken, or fighting chain; (iv) any disc, of whatever configuration, having at least two points or pointed blades which is designed to be thrown or propelled and which may be known as a throwing star or oriental dart; or (v) any weapon of like kind as those enumerated in this subsection, he is guilty of a Class 1 misdemeanor. A second violation of this section or a conviction under this section subsequent to any conviction under any substantially similar ordinance of any county, city, or town shall be punishable as a Class 6 felony, and a third or subsequent such violation shall be punishable as a Class 5 felony. For the purpose of this section, a weapon shall be deemed to be hidden from common observation when it is observable but is of such deceptive appearance as to disguise the weapon's true nature. It shall be an affirmative defense to a violation of clause (i) regarding a handgun, that a person had been issued, at the time of the offense, a valid concealed handgun permit.




Real0ne -> RE: The white supremacy incident (8/18/2017 1:33:44 PM)

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Any state or local government can say no firearms at events such as this, and the city did just that.

It falls under "temporary suspension of state or local ordinances" a power every town has.





Damn man good point I didnt see that!

Sure enough there it is, how could I miss it!


The Second Amendment of the United States Constitution

The right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed EXCEPT if the state or local government say no firearms at events and suspend your rights a power every town has.


Sure enough there it is in black and white, I guess I better reread the constitution






bounty44 -> RE: The white supremacy incident (8/18/2017 3:45:19 PM)

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ORIGINAL: jlf1961


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ORIGINAL: tamaka

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ORIGINAL: tamaka


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ORIGINAL: bounty44

there have been at least 2-3 people who have stated carrying a weapon violated the conditions of the permit for a protest assembly. ive asked, twice now, for actual evidence to be shown of that.


People just like to make up shit as they go along.

I suggest you actually read the city of Charlottesville Va. regulations concerning special events permits.

But hey, we have all noticed your decidedly limited ability to actually look up facts.



http://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/us_5995f07ce4b03b5e472cedd5



That had nothing to do with the permits as issued.

Any state or local government can say no firearms at events such as this, and the city did just that.

It falls under "temporary suspension of state or local ordinances" a power every town has.

In other words, during the permitted event, the open carry laws were suspended by city power for the duration of the event.
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this is %^(#& maddening. SHOW where/how the "city did just that."

you don't send someone else to read something that may or may not be available and you don't make unsubstantiated claims.

indeed if it is available, reference it.




Politesub53 -> RE: The white supremacy incident (8/18/2017 4:33:19 PM)


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ORIGINAL: tamaka


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ORIGINAL: bounty44

there have been at least 2-3 people who have stated carrying a weapon violated the conditions of the permit for a protest assembly. ive asked, twice now, for actual evidence to be shown of that.


People just like to make up shit as they go along.



Pot kettle and black.




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