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And no, white supremacists are not 100% universally recognized as evil. If that was the case, yesterday would never have happened.

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there have been at least 2-3 people who have stated carrying a weapon violated the conditions of the permit for a protest assembly. ive asked, twice now, for actual evidence to be shown of that.

People just like to make up shit as they go along.

I suggest you actually read the city of Charlottesville Va. regulations concerning special events permits.

But hey, we have all noticed your decidedly limited ability to actually look up facts.

http://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/us_5995f07ce4b03b5e472cedd5

That had nothing to do with the permits as issued.

Any state or local government can say no firearms at events such as this, and the city did just that.

It falls under "temporary suspension of state or local ordinances" a power every town has.

In other words, during the permitted event, the open carry laws were suspended by city power for the duration of the event....

this is %^(#& maddening. SHOW where/how the "city did just that."

you don't send someone else to read something that may or may not be available and you don't make unsubstantiated claims.

indeed if it is available, reference it.

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Any state or local government can say no firearms at events such as this, and the city did just that.

It falls under "temporary suspension of state or local ordinances" a power every town has.

Damn man good point I didnt see that!

Sure enough there it is, how could I miss it!


The Second Amendment of the United States Constitution

The right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed EXCEPT if the state or local government say no firearms at events and suspend your rights a power every town has.


Sure enough there it is in black and white, I guess I better reread the constitution

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there are many differences between liberal and conservatives points of view, one of them is the question as to whether or not shows of strength, as opposed to looking "inoffensive" forestalls acts of aggression or precipitates them.

Well, I guess your Nazis settled that question.

May be your Nazis. Word is, they may have been led by an Obama supporter

http://wina.com/news/064460-jason-kessler-participated-in-occupy-says-another-activist/

that aside---and its pretty clear this irony is lost on the comrades---that their antifa crowd engaged in the very same behavior they decry amongst the white supremacists, and they are doing the same thing here.

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Despite the media declaring this sort of "moral equivalency" off limits, a near-majority of Americans surveyed about last weekend's events in Charlottesville blame the violent upheaval on "both sides" (40 percent) [the Nazis!]or on the Antifa Left (nine percent)[the Nazis!]. Slightly fewer (46 percent) point the finger at the Alt-Right as the primary culprits. This result may stun members of the press [and the comrades here] who've spent days scolding anyone [the Nazis!], including President Trump, who has raised the specter of left-wing violence in this context. It seems the general public [the Nazis!] isn't nearly as horrified by Trump's framing as "opinion leaders" are -- via Axios:

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Watching media coverage, you'd think Trump is nearly alone in believing "both sides" share fault for the Charlottesville violence. Turns out, most Republicans [the Nazis!] have his back...Far more blame "the far right groups" for Charlottesville (46%) [the Nazis!] than "the counter-protesters" (9%), but a remarkable 40% [the Nazis!] concur with Trump's assertion that both were equally responsible. "Beneath the surface, we see the same partisan division: Two-thirds of Democrats (66%) blame the far-right groups rather than the counter-protesters (6%), while Republicans overwhelmingly blame both sides [the Nazis!] equally (64%). About the same proportion of Republicans blame the far-right groups (18%) as the counter-protestors (17%)."

Sean Trende summarizes:

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So basically, a plurality agree with Trump's characterization of the Charlottesville events, or are to his right. [the Nazis!] http://axios.com/axios-am-2474319556.html …11:46 AM - Aug 18, 2017

[oh that's gotta smart comrades!]

I was quite critical of the president's initial response to the lethal unrest in Charlottesville (calling his follow-up statement welcome but woefully belated), then recoiled at his Tuesday assertion that there were some "fine" people at a white nationalist march. What I did not do, however, was join the pile-on regarding his points about (a) the contribution of left-wing agitators to violence in Virginia and across the country, and (b) the potentially-problematic implications of tearing down Confederate statues and memorials. On the former point, he's simply correct; pretending that only one "side" is responsible for political violence is outrageous and flat-out false. On the latter point, he effectively asked, where does it end? As if to prove his concerns valid, elements of the Left promptly aired demands that monuments to George Washington and Thomas Jefferson be purged from the public square. As ever, one of Trump's greatest political assets is liberal overreach:

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CNN’s Angela Rye: Statues of Washington, Jefferson and Lee ‘All Need to Come Down’ http://bit.ly/2uUElOc

4:59 PM - Aug 17, 2017

You can delete it, @VICE, but the internet never forgets. pic.twitter.com/eT3EiBC2SB
— Brandon Darby (@brandondarby) August 17, 2017 [this was a left wing organization calling for mount rushmore to be destroyed]

[by all means comrades, keep it up!]

A Marist poll out this week found that a strong majority of Americans, including roughly half of Democrats, oppose ripping down Confederate statues. As Rich Lowry wryly asks, how might eliminating tributes to America's beloved founders poll? Before you go, read this Washington Post op/ed actually advocating violence against the Alt-Right, and this New York Times piece on the far-Left's growing embrace of physical violence. It's as if they're committed to outdoing the president they loathe when it comes to alienating the country.

[oh that's gotta smart comrades!]

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What happened in Charlottesville, Virginia last weekend was a tragedy. Last Saturday, White nationalists flooded the city to protest the removal of a Robert E. Lee statue. Far left Antifa (anti-fascists) protesters also showed up and skirmishes broke out. Scores of people were sent to the hospital. One woman was killed when a white nationalist plowed through a group of counter demonstrators, 19 others were injured as well. That’s what separates this incident. Yes, white nationalists and Antifa are violent thugs, but Antifa did not kill anyone last weekend. Donald Trump’s remarks about the incident may have saved the far left from scrutiny with the media, but they will undoubtedly be back in the news. I don’t think what Trump said was wrong; he blamed both sides for political violence. In general—you cannot have a credible condemnation or discussion of toxic political rhetoric without slamming the far left. Again, with Charlottesville, a person died which changes the game. Nevertheless, CNN’s Jake Tapper noted that reporters at Charlottesville were also assaulted by the far left.

Antifa is just as radical and violent. New York Times reporter Sheryl Gay Stolberg noted that these folks were just as “hate-filled” as the white nationalists who showed up, only to have the progressive Twitter mob force her to retract her previous tweets. That seems in keeping with the very ideology they claim they want to stomp out. The Washington Examiner spoke with linguist and political activist Noam Chomksy, who said the Antifa movement, is a “gift to the right.” He also said it was “self-destructive.”

The left-wing "Antifa" movement is rising in prominence after clashing with white supremacists in Charlottesville, Va., but one progressive scholar says the anti-fascists feed the fire they seek to extinguish.

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"As for Antifa, it's a minuscule fringe of the Left, just as its predecessors were," Noam Chomsky told the Washington Examiner. "It's a major gift to the Right, including the militant Right, who are exuberant."

Many activists affiliated with the loosely organized Antifa movement consider themselves anarchists or socialists. They often wear black and take measures to conceal their identity.

Chomsky said, "what they do is often wrong in principle – like blocking talks – and [the movement] is generally self-destructive."

"When confrontation shifts to the arena of violence, it's the toughest and most brutal who win – and we know who that is," said Chomsky, a professor emeritus of linguistics at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology. "That's quite apart from the opportunity costs – the loss of the opportunity for education, organizing, and serious and constructive activism."…

[whhhhaaaaaat?? noam Chomsky is a Nazi!???]

As the saying goes, even a blind squirrel finds a nut. In this case, it looks like conservatives could agree with Chomsky on something: Antifa is pretty terrible as well.

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Sean T at RCP
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So basically, a plurality agree with Trump's characterization of the Charlottesville events, or are to his right. [the Nazis!] http://axios.com/axios-am-2474319556.html …11:46 AM - Aug 18, 2017

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I don't know the requirements of the permit---but philosophically speaking, its beside the point and the question still stands.

The permits issued are pretty straight forward, and based on the first amendment:

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

Which basically means that the city issues a permit for people to gather peacefully to protest or whatever.

It also puts the responsibility for the protection of the protestors on local law enforcement.

By carrying guns in their march, the Neo Nazi groups violated the permit, and the city would have been well within the law to arrest anyone carrying a firearm or weapon of any type.

Carrying a gun does not violate anything. People open carry guns when they go shopping.

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And it allows the open carry of rifles and shotguns when transporting to and from a dealer, range or going to or from a location where hunting was the specific activity planned.

So, you are going to maintain that the people carrying rifles and shotguns on both sides of the issue were actually either going to a dealer or gunsmith, going to or returning from a firing range, or going to or returning from a hunting trip?

Seriously?

You really want to make that argument?

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Open carry is generally allowed without a permit for people 18 years of age and older. The following cities and counties have exceptions that disallow the open carry of "assault weapons" (any firearm that is equipped with a magazine that will hold more than 20 rounds of ammunition or is designed by the manufacturer to accommodate a silencer or equipped with a folding stock) or shotguns equipped with a magazine that holds more than 7 rounds: the Cities of Alexandria, Chesapeake, Fairfax, Falls Church, Newport News, Norfolk, Richmond, and Virginia Beach and in the Counties of Arlington, Fairfax, Henrico, Loudoun, and Prince William. These restrictions do not apply to valid concealed carry permit holders. Stated differently, you may open carry an assault weapon/shotgun with more than 7 rounds with a permit in the aforementioned locations, but do not need a permit to do so in any other locality in Virginia.

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The counter protesters DID have permits to assemble that day, but they were for McGuffey Park not Emancipation Park, so simply by being in Emancipation Park they were clearly in violation of their permits. Why isn't anyone crying about that?

except the park wasnt where the driving into crowds happened, most of the violence happened in the street.

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