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A History Lesson - 8/22/2017 1:36:30 PM   
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Here is some food for thought in these troubling times. All of this is fact, and is public record.

The Civil War almost happened in 1832. Prior to the Revenue Act of 1861, there was no federal income tax in the US. Prior to that, 90% of federal revenue was derived from import tariffs. These tariffs varied by goods but averaged 15 to 20%. In turn, the European countries that were importing US goods charged a similar tariff rate.

Nation to nation this may seem like an equitable arrangement, but domestically it was very unbalanced. The bulk of industrial goods, produced in the north, were being consumed within the US. On the other hand, 80% of the agricultural goods produced in the south were being exported. In short, the tariff was forcing the south to charge higher prices for the goods that it sold, while at the same time forcing them to pay more for the industrial goods that they had to purchase.

In the early to mid 1800’s, the south only comprised about 30% of the US population, but it was paying about 80% of the revenue that the federal government was collecting.

Things came to a head in 1832, the fed had enacted two new tariffs and had effectively raised the tariff rate to almost 50%. South Carolina responded with a state convention and articles of nullification. This nearly led to secession and armed conflict. This is know as the “Nullification Crisis”. Fortunately, a compromise was reached in 1833 and the tariff rate was reduced to an average of 20%.

In the late 1850’s, the US was experiencing a recession. The recession had the most effect on the industrial north. Using the recession as an excuse, in May of 1860, the federal government passed the Morrill Tariff. This effectively raised the tariff rate to 50%. This was a highly partisan act. Only one southern congressman, out of 50, voted in favor of the tariff.

South Carolina responded in December by seceding from the union. They were quickly followed, in January of 1861, by five more southern states. By June of 1861, the eleven primary southern states had all seceded from the union.

This was major concern to the northern controlled union government. They new how much they relied upon the south for federal revenue. Conversely, the general populace in the north had an attitude of “let them go”. They didn’t see the significance of the departure of the southern states and also most people recognized that the union was designed for mutual benefit and also recognized that each state had a right to secede.

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RE: A History Lesson - 8/22/2017 1:59:26 PM   
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It does seem he did a reach around.

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RE: A History Lesson - 8/22/2017 2:14:40 PM   
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RE: A History Lesson - 8/22/2017 2:19:04 PM   
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tamaka a mental harasser in breach of TOC many times and it cant be dogsbreath44 for he is fake fudd

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RE: A History Lesson - 8/22/2017 2:20:33 PM   
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I see what you did there

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RE: A History Lesson - 8/22/2017 2:20:41 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: tamaka

Here is some food for thought in these troubling times. All of this is fact, and is public record.

The Civil War almost happened in 1832. Prior to the Revenue Act of 1861, there was no federal income tax in the US. Prior to that, 90% of federal revenue was derived from import tariffs. These tariffs varied by goods but averaged 15 to 20%. In turn, the European countries that were importing US goods charged a similar tariff rate.

Nation to nation this may seem like an equitable arrangement, but domestically it was very unbalanced. The bulk of industrial goods, produced in the north, were being consumed within the US. On the other hand, 80% of the agricultural goods produced in the south were being exported. In short, the tariff was forcing the south to charge higher prices for the goods that it sold, while at the same time forcing them to pay more for the industrial goods that they had to purchase.

In the early to mid 1800’s, the south only comprised about 30% of the US population, but it was paying about 80% of the revenue that the federal government was collecting.

Things came to a head in 1832, the fed had enacted two new tariffs and had effectively raised the tariff rate to almost 50%. South Carolina responded with a state convention and articles of nullification. This nearly led to secession and armed conflict. This is know as the “Nullification Crisis”. Fortunately, a compromise was reached in 1833 and the tariff rate was reduced to an average of 20%.

In the late 1850’s, the US was experiencing a recession. The recession had the most effect on the industrial north. Using the recession as an excuse, in May of 1860, the federal government passed the Morrill Tariff. This effectively raised the tariff rate to 50%. This was a highly partisan act. Only one southern congressman, out of 50, voted in favor of the tariff.

South Carolina responded in December by seceding from the union. They were quickly followed, in January of 1861, by five more southern states. By June of 1861, the eleven primary southern states had all seceded from the union.

This was major concern to the northern controlled union government. They new how much they relied upon the south for federal revenue. Conversely, the general populace in the north had an attitude of “let them go”. They didn’t see the significance of the departure of the southern states and also most people recognized that the union was designed for mutual benefit and also recognized that each state had a right to secede.

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If you want a heads up that will put you light years ahead of these other bone heads out here, bonds issued to nations at least up until now, now that we found out about it were issued and come due after a 70 year term. All one need do is count forward to approx issued 1780ish-90ish, come due 1850-60ish, balance refinanced comes due 1920-30ish, balance refinanced comes due 1990-2000ish, funny how that works out. Not too tough to match it up with the events

They went from unfait taxation from the king to the new king, the north. The south was making money and the north was going belly up and needed a land grab. Somewhat surpized to see anyone post about this on this board, bravo!



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RE: A History Lesson - 8/22/2017 3:14:52 PM   
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I see what you did there

I wonder if Thompson could be persuaded to do the same? The other whiney little bitch with a chip on his shoulder about feminists (naming no names for TOS reasons but we both know who I mean) might piss his pants in terror and flee the site again. I'm assuming it was thompson who scared him off rather than any of the others who were bannedapproved at the same time, right before he started posting again?

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RE: A History Lesson - 8/22/2017 3:29:36 PM   
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Ive missed much lately, not the news, but the posts that forced the mods to go into action. I dunno what or why.
but it certainly seems to have been a useless endeavour.


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RE: A History Lesson - 8/22/2017 4:15:49 PM   
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The other whiney little bitch with a chip on his shoulder about feminists (naming no names for TOS reasons but we both know who I mean) might piss his pants in terror and flee the site again.


No worries. the one that you are talking about is already posting under a new sock


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RE: A History Lesson - 8/22/2017 8:39:05 PM   
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Ive missed much lately, not the news, but the posts that forced the mods to go into action. I dunno what or why.
but it certainly seems to have been a useless endeavour.




You missed a lot lately because you were manipulating weather patterns causing my little corner of west Texas to experience 4 days of severe thunderstorms in an attempt to drown me, bury me in red clay mud and other evils that may befall someone caught in one of those beasts.

While your attempts failed pitifully, you did delay my completion of the new front porch and steps by three days, and completely destroyed my herb garden.

To borrow the immortal words of B. Bunny, "I hope you know this means war."

I am presently working on a counter attack involving 90 feet of snow falling on your fair city on the first of November.

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RE: A History Lesson - 8/22/2017 9:09:18 PM   
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ORIGINAL: tamaka

Here is some food for thought in these troubling times. All of this is fact, and is public record.

The Civil War almost happened in 1832. Prior to the Revenue Act of 1861, there was no federal income tax in the US. Prior to that, 90% of federal revenue was derived from import tariffs. These tariffs varied by goods but averaged 15 to 20%. In turn, the European countries that were importing US goods charged a similar tariff rate.

Nation to nation this may seem like an equitable arrangement, but domestically it was very unbalanced. The bulk of industrial goods, produced in the north, were being consumed within the US. On the other hand, 80% of the agricultural goods produced in the south were being exported. In short, the tariff was forcing the south to charge higher prices for the goods that it sold, while at the same time forcing them to pay more for the industrial goods that they had to purchase.

In the early to mid 1800’s, the south only comprised about 30% of the US population, but it was paying about 80% of the revenue that the federal government was collecting.

Things came to a head in 1832, the fed had enacted two new tariffs and had effectively raised the tariff rate to almost 50%. South Carolina responded with a state convention and articles of nullification. This nearly led to secession and armed conflict. This is know as the “Nullification Crisis”. Fortunately, a compromise was reached in 1833 and the tariff rate was reduced to an average of 20%.

In the late 1850’s, the US was experiencing a recession. The recession had the most effect on the industrial north. Using the recession as an excuse, in May of 1860, the federal government passed the Morrill Tariff. This effectively raised the tariff rate to 50%. This was a highly partisan act. Only one southern congressman, out of 50, voted in favor of the tariff.

South Carolina responded in December by seceding from the union. They were quickly followed, in January of 1861, by five more southern states. By June of 1861, the eleven primary southern states had all seceded from the union.

This was major concern to the northern controlled union government. They new how much they relied upon the south for federal revenue. Conversely, the general populace in the north had an attitude of “let them go”. They didn’t see the significance of the departure of the southern states and also most people recognized that the union was designed for mutual benefit and also recognized that each state had a right to secede.

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This is horrible, these facts imply that there were other reasons in addition to slavery for the Civil War.
That is a theory that makes you a racist.

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RE: A History Lesson - 8/23/2017 6:47:58 AM   
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Because I am very lazy to read up detailed information about the civil war and why people are so against the Confederate. And why the Confederate are associated with White Supremacy.

I asked my very leftie White American BFF to give me a very short history lesson when we were bickering about the VA incident, where obviously his stance was, "Nazi and White Supremacists are always wrong!" And well, everyone here has more or less seen my views on the matter.

So he made it very straight forward.

Confederate was the camp that wants slavery to stay around forever, but lost the war, and because they lost, did slavery get eliminated. If they had won, slavery would still have existed today.

Thus they are associated with everything slavery and nothing confederate should even be celebrated or respected or worshiped. My BFF felt disgusted by anybody who drives around with the confederate flag because of what they represented to him.

So what is the rightie argument on this? That is pretty straight forward.

Why preserve anything confederate at all? Or give it any attention?

Sorry, America ain't my country, and there are too many countries in this world to learn all their detailed history. And in schools, any white country history is not part of our curriculum AT ALL. Not even UK despite them colonizing us in the past.

But I cannot believe we had to learn India's history. Trust me, i can't spell anybody's names in that history!


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RE: A History Lesson - 8/23/2017 6:59:36 AM   
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The deal with the confederate flag is a bit more complicated than that, Greta. The white supremacists and lunatic right (or to use the korrekt southern term: "the Klan") have laid claim to it since the Klan got their second wind protesting then civil rights act in the '60s, but a lot of southerners resent having their symbol of failed secession and sub-national pride co-opted by twats, dickheads and trailer trash. It's a bit like the distaste most of the British feel for the way the union flag has become associated with jingoistic twatwaffles since the NF laid claim to it.

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RE: A History Lesson - 8/23/2017 7:26:01 AM   
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Then I guess the real problem is the same problem right now.

KKK, Nazis and White Supremacists will never associate with Democrats and will only be Republicans.

Same with back then, KKK, Nazis and White Supremacists will never associate with whatever the winning party is.

And only associate with Confederate.

But is there evidence that there were Confederate who fought against Slavery?

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RE: A History Lesson - 8/23/2017 7:36:41 AM   
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The thing you have to remember, Greta, is that a lot of the Confederate troops would have been motivated more by regional pride and resentment at these Northern politicians telling them how to run their own 'States than the slavery issue. There were abolitionists down south (just as there were those in favour of slavery up North), but they mostly had the sense to keep quiet about that during the civil war.

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