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MrRodgers -> RE: A History Lesson (8/25/2017 1:09:53 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Hillwilliam


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Guess you didn't know that most slave owners worked along side their slaves.
Where did you get your info BLM?

I'd guess he watched Gone With the Wind

What an intellect ?




MrRodgers -> RE: A History Lesson (8/25/2017 1:11:31 PM)


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ORIGINAL: BamaD


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ORIGINAL: Hillwilliam


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ORIGINAL: BamaD








Guess you didn't know that most slave owners worked along side their slaves.
Where did you get your info BLM?

I'd guess he watched Gone With the Wind

And he isn't satisfied with being ignorant , he wants everyone to know it.

Trust me, if we took an informal survey, the results just might shock you.




MrRodgers -> RE: A History Lesson (8/25/2017 1:13:47 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Nnanji


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ORIGINAL: BamaD


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ORIGINAL: MrRodgers


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ORIGINAL: BamaD


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ORIGINAL: tamaka

Here is some food for thought in these troubling times. All of this is fact, and is public record.

The Civil War almost happened in 1832. Prior to the Revenue Act of 1861, there was no federal income tax in the US. Prior to that, 90% of federal revenue was derived from import tariffs. These tariffs varied by goods but averaged 15 to 20%. In turn, the European countries that were importing US goods charged a similar tariff rate.

Nation to nation this may seem like an equitable arrangement, but domestically it was very unbalanced. The bulk of industrial goods, produced in the north, were being consumed within the US. On the other hand, 80% of the agricultural goods produced in the south were being exported. In short, the tariff was forcing the south to charge higher prices for the goods that it sold, while at the same time forcing them to pay more for the industrial goods that they had to purchase.

In the early to mid 1800’s, the south only comprised about 30% of the US population, but it was paying about 80% of the revenue that the federal government was collecting.

Things came to a head in 1832, the fed had enacted two new tariffs and had effectively raised the tariff rate to almost 50%. South Carolina responded with a state convention and articles of nullification. This nearly led to secession and armed conflict. This is know as the “Nullification Crisis”. Fortunately, a compromise was reached in 1833 and the tariff rate was reduced to an average of 20%.

In the late 1850’s, the US was experiencing a recession. The recession had the most effect on the industrial north. Using the recession as an excuse, in May of 1860, the federal government passed the Morrill Tariff. This effectively raised the tariff rate to 50%. This was a highly partisan act. Only one southern congressman, out of 50, voted in favor of the tariff.

South Carolina responded in December by seceding from the union. They were quickly followed, in January of 1861, by five more southern states. By June of 1861, the eleven primary southern states had all seceded from the union.

This was major concern to the northern controlled union government. They new how much they relied upon the south for federal revenue. Conversely, the general populace in the north had an attitude of “let them go”. They didn’t see the significance of the departure of the southern states and also most people recognized that the union was designed for mutual benefit and also recognized that each state had a right to secede.

Www.overpassesforamerica.com › ?p=54695

This is horrible, these facts imply that there were other reasons in addition to slavery for the Civil War.
That is a theory that makes you a racist.

I would have empathy I guess the word is now and I could say the tariffs were key. But I don't.

The cotton was getting a very fair price given that there was say...lots of cotton, which forced the south to seek export markets. Still, the south could out produce US demand and why ?

Because and particularly in view of the hard costs to industrialized north, plus labor costs affected price. So it was with almost no effort on the part of the south to produce, Seeds, water, sun and slaves. 'Cotton was King.'

So the even average let alone large cotton farmers had to do almost nothing at all to bring in great profits, almost all they took in, was profits. Little to no production costs. All he needed was land plus the others.

So it was as is typical today...g r e e d. Those poor southern cotton and agric. slave owners didn't 'work' for a living, they watched, enjoyed and got rich. So it was greed that was the incentive for slaves, the incentive against tariffs and the incentive to secede.

Why am I not surprised ?

Guess you didn't know that most slave owners worked along side their slaves.
Where did you get your info BLM?

As I've stated before, you need a tin foil hat while reading his stuff.

Anything to keep all of that knowledge out of your head.




blnymph -> RE: A History Lesson (8/25/2017 1:25:17 PM)

FR
To sum it up:
Most historical events, including wars, usually happen not just because of one simple reason but because of a multitude of reasons and effects.




BamaD -> RE: A History Lesson (8/25/2017 1:33:05 PM)


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ORIGINAL: blnymph

FR
To sum it up:
Most historical events, including wars, usually happen not just because of one simple reason but because of a multitude of reasons and effects.

Yes, and the American Civil War is no exception.




BamaD -> RE: A History Lesson (8/25/2017 8:01:06 PM)


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ORIGINAL: MrRodgers


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ORIGINAL: BamaD


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ORIGINAL: MrRodgers


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ORIGINAL: BamaD


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ORIGINAL: tamaka

Here is some food for thought in these troubling times. All of this is fact, and is public record.

The Civil War almost happened in 1832. Prior to the Revenue Act of 1861, there was no federal income tax in the US. Prior to that, 90% of federal revenue was derived from import tariffs. These tariffs varied by goods but averaged 15 to 20%. In turn, the European countries that were importing US goods charged a similar tariff rate.

Nation to nation this may seem like an equitable arrangement, but domestically it was very unbalanced. The bulk of industrial goods, produced in the north, were being consumed within the US. On the other hand, 80% of the agricultural goods produced in the south were being exported. In short, the tariff was forcing the south to charge higher prices for the goods that it sold, while at the same time forcing them to pay more for the industrial goods that they had to purchase.

In the early to mid 1800’s, the south only comprised about 30% of the US population, but it was paying about 80% of the revenue that the federal government was collecting.

Things came to a head in 1832, the fed had enacted two new tariffs and had effectively raised the tariff rate to almost 50%. South Carolina responded with a state convention and articles of nullification. This nearly led to secession and armed conflict. This is know as the “Nullification Crisis”. Fortunately, a compromise was reached in 1833 and the tariff rate was reduced to an average of 20%.

In the late 1850’s, the US was experiencing a recession. The recession had the most effect on the industrial north. Using the recession as an excuse, in May of 1860, the federal government passed the Morrill Tariff. This effectively raised the tariff rate to 50%. This was a highly partisan act. Only one southern congressman, out of 50, voted in favor of the tariff.

South Carolina responded in December by seceding from the union. They were quickly followed, in January of 1861, by five more southern states. By June of 1861, the eleven primary southern states had all seceded from the union.

This was major concern to the northern controlled union government. They new how much they relied upon the south for federal revenue. Conversely, the general populace in the north had an attitude of “let them go”. They didn’t see the significance of the departure of the southern states and also most people recognized that the union was designed for mutual benefit and also recognized that each state had a right to secede.

Www.overpassesforamerica.com › ?p=54695

This is horrible, these facts imply that there were other reasons in addition to slavery for the Civil War.
That is a theory that makes you a racist.

I would have empathy I guess the word is now and I could say the tariffs were key. But I don't.

The cotton was getting a very fair price given that there was say...lots of cotton, which forced the south to seek export markets. Still, the south could out produce US demand and why ?

Because and particularly in view of the hard costs to industrialized north, plus labor costs affected price. So it was with almost no effort on the part of the south to produce, Seeds, water, sun and slaves. 'Cotton was King.'

So the even average let alone large cotton farmers had to do almost nothing at all to bring in great profits, almost all they took in, was profits. Little to no production costs. All he needed was land plus the others.

So it was as is typical today...g r e e d. Those poor southern cotton and agric. slave owners didn't 'work' for a living, they watched, enjoyed and got rich. So it was greed that was the incentive for slaves, the incentive against tariffs and the incentive to secede.

Why am I not surprised ?

Guess you didn't know that most slave owners worked along side their slaves.
Where did you get your info BLM?

Bullshit !! Most slave owners did nothing of the short and had foreman or overseers to handle their slaves. They certainly didn't work dawn until dusk and later during a full moon. As long as there was light...slaves could be out in the fields. Slave owners had a far superior diet, medical care and life expectancy of about twice that of the average slave.

Slave owners and their families enjoyed the best of everything life had to offer...slaves had none.

That shows that you do not know that most slave owners (white in particular) owned less than 5 slaves.
Where in the world do you get your information, because it is an opinion held by those who only listen to biased sources.




BamaD -> RE: A History Lesson (8/25/2017 8:07:59 PM)


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ORIGINAL: MrRodgers


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ORIGINAL: BamaD


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ORIGINAL: MrRodgers


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ORIGINAL: BamaD


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ORIGINAL: tamaka

Here is some food for thought in these troubling times. All of this is fact, and is public record.

The Civil War almost happened in 1832. Prior to the Revenue Act of 1861, there was no federal income tax in the US. Prior to that, 90% of federal revenue was derived from import tariffs. These tariffs varied by goods but averaged 15 to 20%. In turn, the European countries that were importing US goods charged a similar tariff rate.

Nation to nation this may seem like an equitable arrangement, but domestically it was very unbalanced. The bulk of industrial goods, produced in the north, were being consumed within the US. On the other hand, 80% of the agricultural goods produced in the south were being exported. In short, the tariff was forcing the south to charge higher prices for the goods that it sold, while at the same time forcing them to pay more for the industrial goods that they had to purchase.

In the early to mid 1800’s, the south only comprised about 30% of the US population, but it was paying about 80% of the revenue that the federal government was collecting.

Things came to a head in 1832, the fed had enacted two new tariffs and had effectively raised the tariff rate to almost 50%. South Carolina responded with a state convention and articles of nullification. This nearly led to secession and armed conflict. This is know as the “Nullification Crisis”. Fortunately, a compromise was reached in 1833 and the tariff rate was reduced to an average of 20%.

In the late 1850’s, the US was experiencing a recession. The recession had the most effect on the industrial north. Using the recession as an excuse, in May of 1860, the federal government passed the Morrill Tariff. This effectively raised the tariff rate to 50%. This was a highly partisan act. Only one southern congressman, out of 50, voted in favor of the tariff.

South Carolina responded in December by seceding from the union. They were quickly followed, in January of 1861, by five more southern states. By June of 1861, the eleven primary southern states had all seceded from the union.

This was major concern to the northern controlled union government. They new how much they relied upon the south for federal revenue. Conversely, the general populace in the north had an attitude of “let them go”. They didn’t see the significance of the departure of the southern states and also most people recognized that the union was designed for mutual benefit and also recognized that each state had a right to secede.

Www.overpassesforamerica.com › ?p=54695

This is horrible, these facts imply that there were other reasons in addition to slavery for the Civil War.
That is a theory that makes you a racist.

I would have empathy I guess the word is now and I could say the tariffs were key. But I don't.

The cotton was getting a very fair price given that there was say...lots of cotton, which forced the south to seek export markets. Still, the south could out produce US demand and why ?

Because and particularly in view of the hard costs to industrialized north, plus labor costs affected price. So it was with almost no effort on the part of the south to produce, Seeds, water, sun and slaves. 'Cotton was King.'

So the even average let alone large cotton farmers had to do almost nothing at all to bring in great profits, almost all they took in, was profits. Little to no production costs. All he needed was land plus the others.

So it was as is typical today...g r e e d. Those poor southern cotton and agric. slave owners didn't 'work' for a living, they watched, enjoyed and got rich. So it was greed that was the incentive for slaves, the incentive against tariffs and the incentive to secede.

Why am I not surprised ?

Guess you didn't know that most slave owners worked along side their slaves.
Where did you get your info BLM?

Bullshit !! Most slave owners did nothing of the short and had foreman or overseers to handle their slaves. They certainly didn't work dawn until dusk and later during a full moon. As long as there was light...slaves could be out in the fields. Slave owners had a far superior diet, medical care and life expectancy of about twice that of the average slave.

Slave owners and their families enjoyed the best of everything life had to offer...slaves had none.

You are living proof that just because an idea is popular doesn't mean it is right.




Nnanji -> RE: A History Lesson (8/25/2017 8:32:01 PM)


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ORIGINAL: BamaD


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ORIGINAL: MrRodgers


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ORIGINAL: BamaD


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ORIGINAL: MrRodgers


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ORIGINAL: BamaD


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ORIGINAL: tamaka

Here is some food for thought in these troubling times. All of this is fact, and is public record.

The Civil War almost happened in 1832. Prior to the Revenue Act of 1861, there was no federal income tax in the US. Prior to that, 90% of federal revenue was derived from import tariffs. These tariffs varied by goods but averaged 15 to 20%. In turn, the European countries that were importing US goods charged a similar tariff rate.

Nation to nation this may seem like an equitable arrangement, but domestically it was very unbalanced. The bulk of industrial goods, produced in the north, were being consumed within the US. On the other hand, 80% of the agricultural goods produced in the south were being exported. In short, the tariff was forcing the south to charge higher prices for the goods that it sold, while at the same time forcing them to pay more for the industrial goods that they had to purchase.

In the early to mid 1800’s, the south only comprised about 30% of the US population, but it was paying about 80% of the revenue that the federal government was collecting.

Things came to a head in 1832, the fed had enacted two new tariffs and had effectively raised the tariff rate to almost 50%. South Carolina responded with a state convention and articles of nullification. This nearly led to secession and armed conflict. This is know as the “Nullification Crisis”. Fortunately, a compromise was reached in 1833 and the tariff rate was reduced to an average of 20%.

In the late 1850’s, the US was experiencing a recession. The recession had the most effect on the industrial north. Using the recession as an excuse, in May of 1860, the federal government passed the Morrill Tariff. This effectively raised the tariff rate to 50%. This was a highly partisan act. Only one southern congressman, out of 50, voted in favor of the tariff.

South Carolina responded in December by seceding from the union. They were quickly followed, in January of 1861, by five more southern states. By June of 1861, the eleven primary southern states had all seceded from the union.

This was major concern to the northern controlled union government. They new how much they relied upon the south for federal revenue. Conversely, the general populace in the north had an attitude of “let them go”. They didn’t see the significance of the departure of the southern states and also most people recognized that the union was designed for mutual benefit and also recognized that each state had a right to secede.

Www.overpassesforamerica.com › ?p=54695

This is horrible, these facts imply that there were other reasons in addition to slavery for the Civil War.
That is a theory that makes you a racist.

I would have empathy I guess the word is now and I could say the tariffs were key. But I don't.

The cotton was getting a very fair price given that there was say...lots of cotton, which forced the south to seek export markets. Still, the south could out produce US demand and why ?

Because and particularly in view of the hard costs to industrialized north, plus labor costs affected price. So it was with almost no effort on the part of the south to produce, Seeds, water, sun and slaves. 'Cotton was King.'

So the even average let alone large cotton farmers had to do almost nothing at all to bring in great profits, almost all they took in, was profits. Little to no production costs. All he needed was land plus the others.

So it was as is typical today...g r e e d. Those poor southern cotton and agric. slave owners didn't 'work' for a living, they watched, enjoyed and got rich. So it was greed that was the incentive for slaves, the incentive against tariffs and the incentive to secede.

Why am I not surprised ?

Guess you didn't know that most slave owners worked along side their slaves.
Where did you get your info BLM?

Bullshit !! Most slave owners did nothing of the short and had foreman or overseers to handle their slaves. They certainly didn't work dawn until dusk and later during a full moon. As long as there was light...slaves could be out in the fields. Slave owners had a far superior diet, medical care and life expectancy of about twice that of the average slave.

Slave owners and their families enjoyed the best of everything life had to offer...slaves had none.

You are living proof that just because an idea is popular doesn't mean it is right.

Come on Bama. MR is a conspiracy theorist just like RO. Why do you even question why his mind goes anywhere?




BamaD -> RE: A History Lesson (8/25/2017 8:41:32 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Nnanji


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ORIGINAL: BamaD


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ORIGINAL: MrRodgers


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ORIGINAL: BamaD


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ORIGINAL: MrRodgers


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ORIGINAL: BamaD


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ORIGINAL: tamaka

Here is some food for thought in these troubling times. All of this is fact, and is public record.

The Civil War almost happened in 1832. Prior to the Revenue Act of 1861, there was no federal income tax in the US. Prior to that, 90% of federal revenue was derived from import tariffs. These tariffs varied by goods but averaged 15 to 20%. In turn, the European countries that were importing US goods charged a similar tariff rate.

Nation to nation this may seem like an equitable arrangement, but domestically it was very unbalanced. The bulk of industrial goods, produced in the north, were being consumed within the US. On the other hand, 80% of the agricultural goods produced in the south were being exported. In short, the tariff was forcing the south to charge higher prices for the goods that it sold, while at the same time forcing them to pay more for the industrial goods that they had to purchase.

In the early to mid 1800’s, the south only comprised about 30% of the US population, but it was paying about 80% of the revenue that the federal government was collecting.

Things came to a head in 1832, the fed had enacted two new tariffs and had effectively raised the tariff rate to almost 50%. South Carolina responded with a state convention and articles of nullification. This nearly led to secession and armed conflict. This is know as the “Nullification Crisis”. Fortunately, a compromise was reached in 1833 and the tariff rate was reduced to an average of 20%.

In the late 1850’s, the US was experiencing a recession. The recession had the most effect on the industrial north. Using the recession as an excuse, in May of 1860, the federal government passed the Morrill Tariff. This effectively raised the tariff rate to 50%. This was a highly partisan act. Only one southern congressman, out of 50, voted in favor of the tariff.

South Carolina responded in December by seceding from the union. They were quickly followed, in January of 1861, by five more southern states. By June of 1861, the eleven primary southern states had all seceded from the union.

This was major concern to the northern controlled union government. They new how much they relied upon the south for federal revenue. Conversely, the general populace in the north had an attitude of “let them go”. They didn’t see the significance of the departure of the southern states and also most people recognized that the union was designed for mutual benefit and also recognized that each state had a right to secede.

Www.overpassesforamerica.com › ?p=54695

This is horrible, these facts imply that there were other reasons in addition to slavery for the Civil War.
That is a theory that makes you a racist.

I would have empathy I guess the word is now and I could say the tariffs were key. But I don't.

The cotton was getting a very fair price given that there was say...lots of cotton, which forced the south to seek export markets. Still, the south could out produce US demand and why ?

Because and particularly in view of the hard costs to industrialized north, plus labor costs affected price. So it was with almost no effort on the part of the south to produce, Seeds, water, sun and slaves. 'Cotton was King.'

So the even average let alone large cotton farmers had to do almost nothing at all to bring in great profits, almost all they took in, was profits. Little to no production costs. All he needed was land plus the others.

So it was as is typical today...g r e e d. Those poor southern cotton and agric. slave owners didn't 'work' for a living, they watched, enjoyed and got rich. So it was greed that was the incentive for slaves, the incentive against tariffs and the incentive to secede.

Why am I not surprised ?

Guess you didn't know that most slave owners worked along side their slaves.
Where did you get your info BLM?

Bullshit !! Most slave owners did nothing of the short and had foreman or overseers to handle their slaves. They certainly didn't work dawn until dusk and later during a full moon. As long as there was light...slaves could be out in the fields. Slave owners had a far superior diet, medical care and life expectancy of about twice that of the average slave.

Slave owners and their families enjoyed the best of everything life had to offer...slaves had none.

You are living proof that just because an idea is popular doesn't mean it is right.

Come on Bama. MR is a conspiracy theorist just like RO. Why do you even question why his mind goes anywhere?

LOL

Can't let insanity like that go unchallenged.
BTW the average slave owner in Alabama owned 1.2 slaves.




Edwird -> RE: A History Lesson (8/26/2017 12:16:42 AM)

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ORIGINAL: blnymph

FR
To sum it up:
Most historical events, including wars, usually happen not just because of one simple reason but because of a multitude of reasons and effects.



Ignore the other idiots.

As for the US in 1860, there was just no other way around it, unfortunately. There is nothing to cheer or gloat about when we killed each other by 600,000.

I bet there aren't a whole lot of statues and memorials to the 30 yrs. war and Heidelberg.

I think it would be great to remove all memorials to state idiocy, on every side.




Real0ne -> RE: A History Lesson (8/26/2017 12:35:40 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Nnanji

Come on Bama. MR is a conspiracy theorist just like RO. Why do you even question why his mind goes anywhere?



Here niniecompoopie, is another conspiracy theory for your imbecile ass.


"My policy sought only to collect the Revenue (a 40 percent federal sales tax on imports to Southern States under the Morrill Tariff Act of 1861)." reads paragraph 5 of Lincoln's First Message to the U.S. Congress, penned July 4, 1861.


Lincolns war not about slavery.








Dvr22999874 -> RE: A History Lesson (8/26/2017 12:44:58 AM)

Remove memorials, flags and national anthems with words




PeonForHer -> RE: A History Lesson (8/26/2017 1:52:48 AM)


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ORIGINAL: Dvr22999874

Remove memorials, flags and national anthems with words



I like the idea of getting rid of the lyrics of God Save Our Queen. But it's still a terrible tune. Now, Rule Britannia - that's more like it ...




PonyGroom -> RE: A History Lesson (8/26/2017 12:30:05 PM)


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ORIGINAL: WhoreMods

The thing you have to remember, Greta, is that a lot of the Confederate troops would have been motivated more by regional pride and resentment at these Northern politicians telling them how to run their own 'States than the slavery issue. There were abolitionists down south (just as there were those in favour of slavery up North), but they mostly had the sense to keep quiet about that during the civil war.

That was pretty much my grandfather, if I understand the oral history correctly. He freed his slaves if he ever had any, and none of his sons held slaves. He kept quiet about it, we think. He lived in a part of Virginia that saw no battles in the Civil War. We think he had orchards and vegetable crops, lived a fairly simple life, and died near where he was born. His sons scattered, all to the South and West.

My own "Southern Heritage" is along the lines of "damn Yankees telling us how to live", "The War of Northern Aggression", and "Powers should be reserved to the States, and to the People". Which rhymes, in a way, with "Power to the People; Right On".

In each generation, we reject the wisdom of our fathers and retain some of it. My generation was no exception.

Nazis, KKK guys, the people of the 14/88 words, white supremecists - adopting statues of Confederate generals? Sick. Twisted. Makes me angry. Those men were honorable. These men are not. Fuck them. Having no good reputation of their own, they seek to borrow from the honorable dead. Disgusting.




Hillwilliam -> RE: A History Lesson (8/26/2017 1:44:56 PM)


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ORIGINAL: MrRodgers


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ORIGINAL: BamaD


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ORIGINAL: Hillwilliam


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ORIGINAL: BamaD








Guess you didn't know that most slave owners worked along side their slaves.
Where did you get your info BLM?

I'd guess he watched Gone With the Wind

And he isn't satisfied with being ignorant , he wants everyone to know it.

Trust me, if we took an informal survey, the results just might shock you.

We have several people like that in these forums.




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