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RE: Proof that climate change is bullshit... - 8/31/2017 10:42:35 AM   
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Status: offline 		Hmm, humans are the only thing responsible for climate change....

Solar Variability and Terrestrial Climate

and then Sun's Activity Increased in Past Century, Study Confirms

So while climate change is happening, the guilty party may not be humans....

Oh shit, the liberals are going to blame industrialization as the reason for increased solar activity.

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RE: Proof that climate change is bullshit... - 8/31/2017 10:44:01 AM   
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RE: Proof that climate change is bullshit... - 8/31/2017 10:47:31 AM   
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RE: Proof that climate change is bullshit... - 8/31/2017 10:49:08 AM   
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Hmm, humans are the only thing responsible for climate change....

Solar Variability and Terrestrial Climate

and then Sun's Activity Increased in Past Century, Study Confirms

So while climate change is happening, the guilty party may not be humans....

Oh shit, the liberals are going to blame industrialization as the reason for increased solar activity.


Is this more sarcasm?

I've really tried to stop arguing about climate change on the internet, but your articles reminded me of the time before every single article about solar activity needed to include a quote wherein whatever interviewed scientist actively stresses that the sun's role is minimal and only by including greenhouse gas emissions can they explain the observed trend.

They do this now so that RWNJ news can't take their quotes and twist them to suit their agenda, preying on the general public's ignorance.

If you're not being ironic here, maybe re-read the articles, especially the final few paragraphs.

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RE: Proof that climate change is bullshit... - 8/31/2017 10:59:06 AM   
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ORIGINAL: jlf1961

Hmm, humans are the only thing responsible for climate change....

Solar Variability and Terrestrial Climate

and then Sun's Activity Increased in Past Century, Study Confirms

So while climate change is happening, the guilty party may not be humans....

Oh shit, the liberals are going to blame industrialization as the reason for increased solar activity.

No, increases in solar activity mean nothing as the AAT (average atmospheric temp.) has gone up and down regardless.

The link on post 29

In all of my study over the years, I have never even once read or heard anyone proclaim that man is solely responsible.

However, almost every scientist on this issue has proclaimed that the countless billions of tons of CO2 entering the atmosphere since the 1880 or so, has been the single biggest influence in adding CO2 and thus increases its greenhouse effect.

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RE: Proof that climate change is bullshit... - 8/31/2017 11:16:25 AM   
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ORIGINAL: jlf1961

Hmm, humans are the only thing responsible for climate change....

Solar Variability and Terrestrial Climate

and then Sun's Activity Increased in Past Century, Study Confirms

So while climate change is happening, the guilty party may not be humans....

Oh shit, the liberals are going to blame industrialization as the reason for increased solar activity.

No, increases in solar activity mean nothing as the AAT (average atmospheric temp.) has gone up and down regardless.

The link on post 29

In all of my study over the years, I have never even once read or heard anyone proclaim that man is solely responsible.

However, almost every scientist on this issue has proclaimed that the countless billions of tons of CO2 entering the atmosphere since the 1880 or so, has been the single biggest influence in adding CO2 and thus increases its greenhouse effect.



Okay, so every instance that the earth's atmospheric CO2 levels have been this high or in some cases higher, has been the direct result of humans burning fossil fuels? Even a million years ago?

However, the term 'single biggest influence in adding CO2' kind of points to humans as being the single biggest influence, would you not agree? Unless there are other species burning fossil fuels I am not aware of?

Which goes back to humans are to blame for climate change.

Lets look at some alternatives to fossil fuels....

Solar power, well to power even a small city, you are going to need a thousand acres of solar panels.

Wind farms, great idea, except that each wind turbine takes two acres out of potential agricultural production, which is the argument against using grain crops for ethanol production, we need that to eat....

Geothermal, hey this is a great idea, using the earth's natural super heated water to power turbines and generate electricity, except that there is a bit of a sulfur smell coming off the plants and even tree huggers protest that as unacceptable.

Hydroelectric, got a couple of choices with this one, build one massive damn or a series of small damns, the tree huggers complain about both because it impacts the rivers, and fish, and well.....

Funny thing is that these people screaming about the different forms of electricity generation are using electricity....

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RE: Proof that climate change is bullshit... - 8/31/2017 12:39:10 PM   
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RE: Proof that climate change is bullshit... - 8/31/2017 5:22:37 PM   
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ORIGINAL: MrRodgers

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ORIGINAL: jlf1961

Hmm, humans are the only thing responsible for climate change....

Solar Variability and Terrestrial Climate

and then Sun's Activity Increased in Past Century, Study Confirms

So while climate change is happening, the guilty party may not be humans....

Oh shit, the liberals are going to blame industrialization as the reason for increased solar activity.

No, increases in solar activity mean nothing as the AAT (average atmospheric temp.) has gone up and down regardless.

The link on post 29

In all of my study over the years, I have never even once read or heard anyone proclaim that man is solely responsible.

However, almost every scientist on this issue has proclaimed that the countless billions of tons of CO2 entering the atmosphere since the 1880 or so, has been the single biggest influence in adding CO2 and thus increases its greenhouse effect.



Okay, so every instance that the earth's atmospheric CO2 levels have been this high or in some cases higher, has been the direct result of humans burning fossil fuels? Even a million years ago?

However, the term 'single biggest influence in adding CO2' kind of points to humans as being the single biggest influence, would you not agree? Unless there are other species burning fossil fuels I am not aware of?

Which goes back to humans are to blame for climate change.

Lets look at some alternatives to fossil fuels....

Solar power, well to power even a small city, you are going to need a thousand acres of solar panels.

Wind farms, great idea, except that each wind turbine takes two acres out of potential agricultural production, which is the argument against using grain crops for ethanol production, we need that to eat....

Geothermal, hey this is a great idea, using the earth's natural super heated water to power turbines and generate electricity, except that there is a bit of a sulfur smell coming off the plants and even tree huggers protest that as unacceptable.

Hydroelectric, got a couple of choices with this one, build one massive damn or a series of small damns, the tree huggers complain about both because it impacts the rivers, and fish, and well.....

Funny thing is that these people screaming about the different forms of electricity generation are using electricity....

Well now, again, no, never said man was solely responsible. However, it is the major influence in adding CO2 which.....

Human CO2 emissions upset the natural balance of the carbon cycle. Man-made CO2 in the atmosphere has increased by a third since the pre-industrial era, (33% more since about 1880) creating an artificial forcing of global temperatures which is warming the planet. While fossil-fuel derived CO2 is a very small component of the global carbon cycle, the extra CO2 is cumulative because the natural carbon exchange cannot absorb all the additional CO2.

The level of atmospheric CO2 is building up, the additional CO2 is being produced by burning fossil fuels, and that build up is accelerating.

Note:
Although our output of 29 gigatons of CO2 is tiny compared to the 750 gigatons moving through the carbon cycle each year, it adds up because the land and ocean cannot absorb all of the extra CO2. About 40% of this additional CO2 is absorbed. (60% of man made CO2 is not absorbed) and rest remains in the atmosphere, and as a consequence, atmospheric CO2 is at its highest level in 15 to 20 million years (Tripati 2009). (A natural change of 100ppm normally takes 5,000 to 20,000 years. The recent increase of 100ppm has taken just 120 years). (that takes back 1897)

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RE: Proof that climate change is bullshit... - 9/1/2017 12:11:44 AM   
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Okay, so every instance that the earth's atmospheric CO2 levels have been this high or in some cases higher, has been the direct result of humans burning fossil fuels? Even a million years ago?


Why would anyone even need to ask this question?


In the future, can't you just assume that when you come to believe that your opponent could have reached a conclusion this absurd, the problem is probably that you don't get it and a little reading would make for an informed discussion instead of one where everyone just spoonfeeds you basic facts?

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ORIGINAL: jlf1961
However, the term 'single biggest influence in adding CO2' kind of points to humans as being the single biggest influence, would you not agree? Unless there are other species burning fossil fuels I am not aware of?

Which goes back to humans are to blame for climate change.


CO2 can enter the atmosphere in several different ways.
Volcanoes release CO2.
Warming oceans release CO2.
Burning fossil fuels releases CO2.
Deforestation releases CO2.

Obviously if humans are not around to burn fossil fuels, then the CO2 entered the atmosphere in a different way.
But it doesn't matter HOW the CO2 gets in the atmosphere... the warming effect is always the same.

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ORIGINAL: jlf1961
Lets look at some alternatives to fossil fuels....

Solar power, well to power even a small city, you are going to need a thousand acres of solar panels.

Wind farms, great idea, except that each wind turbine takes two acres out of potential agricultural production, which is the argument against using grain crops for ethanol production, we need that to eat....

Geothermal, hey this is a great idea, using the earth's natural super heated water to power turbines and generate electricity, except that there is a bit of a sulfur smell coming off the plants and even tree huggers protest that as unacceptable.

Hydroelectric, got a couple of choices with this one, build one massive damn or a series of small damns, the tree huggers complain about both because it impacts the rivers, and fish, and well.....

Funny thing is that these people screaming about the different forms of electricity generation are using electricity....


If the government stopped giving tax breaks to oil companies and invested the revenue in alternative energies, we would probably already have a solution.

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RE: Proof that climate change is bullshit... - 9/1/2017 3:34:32 PM   
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CO2 can enter the atmosphere in several different ways.
Volcanoes release CO2.
Warming oceans release CO2.
Burning fossil fuels releases CO2.
Deforestation releases CO2.


What's worse, is that the ocean is to absorb 80-85% of all low altitude CO2. The ocean is to absorb about 30% of man made CO2. So what we are creating in the carbon cycle is the...worst of all worlds.

Oceans are warming which causes them to be much less efficient in CO2 absorption. The warmer the ocean, the less CO2 it absorbs and the more CO2 it releases.

We're ok, our children should survive but it's ok really. The next generation however, will...have to evolve.

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RE: Proof that climate change is bullshit... - 9/1/2017 3:43:48 PM   
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Look, have these little chats all you want but the science has been proven. Atmospheric CO2 is part of the problem...a very big part of the problem. Man's consistent 100+ year increasing addition to atmospheric CO2, is a problem because it is according to most of science, the biggest contributer. And it's pretty fucking obvious that man has a huge carbon footprint.

Yes, cutting down green growth of any kind hurts.
Yes, sun activity is noted and yet didn't produce the weather we see now just as it failed to show before.

Weather changes:

In my lifetime the predictions were that there was NOT necessarily going to be more storms just bigger storms. Katrine, Sandy and Harvey and the snow in NE recently are all examples of bigger storms. The predictions I've read have ALL come true. Warmer air holds more water...isn't that precious ?

What bothers me and doesn't seem to bother anybody else, is the record setting and with a little research here kinkroids...the records have been coming and we will get even more records.

(average annual rainfall for Houston = 49.77 inches...rainfall in Harvey...35 fucking inches in 1 fucking day, some articles said 50")

In the 1960's, Geo. Will wrote that weather computer models were just being written (software) and we will need to let the research continue. They have predicted continuing records and larger storms. We've since been getting both, bigger storms and regular new all time records. The research has continued and the US and other parts of the world...are setting records.

Rainfall, storm strength, temperatures, snowfall, drought...ALL setting records all over the fucking world.

So there is no proof here at all, that climate change is bullshit. And there is no bullshit at all to the contribution of CO2 and man's contribution to adding that CO2.

I have to add that the incentives for profit on fossil fuels far and away outweighs every single grant or middle class jobs that research provides.

When researchers start making Billion$ in profit, then maybe I'll question their motives. I don't think and in fact I am pretty fucking sure, not...in my lifetime.

Can't argue with a guy deep into a good conspiracy but:

1979 or there abouts, tropical storm Charollette dumped 48-inches of rain on Huston in 24-hours.

Since 1970 there have been four Cat 4 hurricanes touch down in the U.S. In the same number of years preceding 1970, 14 Cat 4 hurricanes touched down in the U.S.

So your more frequent and bigger storms just doesn't play out. But, thanks for playing.

I've never written more frequent but more frequent 4's and 5's.

Hurricane frequency

Period Number Number per year
1851–1900 13 0.26
1901–1950 29 0.58
1951–1975 22 0.88
1976–2000 24 0.96
2001–present 21 1.4

From 1 every 4 years to 1.5 every fucking year.

HERE

Harvey set a new all-time continental U.S. rainfall record for a tropical weather system. The Houston NWS reports a rain gauge in northeast Houston recorded 51.88 inches of rain since Harvey arrived.

No mention at google of any tropical storm or hurricane Charollette.

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RE: Proof that climate change is bullshit... - 9/1/2017 3:47:48 PM   
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RE: Proof that climate change is bullshit... - 9/1/2017 5:40:06 PM   
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Lets look at some alternatives to fossil fuels....

Solar power, well to power even a small city, you are going to need a thousand acres of solar panels.

Wind farms, great idea, except that each wind turbine takes two acres out of potential agricultural production, which is the argument against using grain crops for ethanol production, we need that to eat....

Geothermal, hey this is a great idea, using the earth's natural super heated water to power turbines and generate electricity, except that there is a bit of a sulfur smell coming off the plants and even tree huggers protest that as unacceptable.

Hydroelectric, got a couple of choices with this one, build one massive damn or a series of small damns, the tree huggers complain about both because it impacts the rivers, and fish, and well.....

Funny thing is that these people screaming about the different forms of electricity generation are using electricity....


If the government stopped giving tax breaks to oil companies and invested the revenue in alternative energies, we would probably already have a solution.




The most efficient solar cell for terrestrial use is only 43 percent efficient at converting sunlight to electricity. There are cells that are 60 percent efficient but due to thier structural design, cannot be used on the ground, hence they are used on space craft, AND the stuff used to make them has a highly toxic by product....

Their are technologies that could, if people would use them, alleviate much of the demand for fossil fuels for electricity production, and they are basically silver coated windows that are also solar cells. Replace every window in a high rise, it cuts the power demand from the grid by about 50 percent.

However, they are expensive, but will pay for itself over time.

Key words, over time.

But, and here is the key point, it is still more efficient to generate power using fossil fuels for high demand markets. Of course, you could cover the entire mojave desert with solar panels and probably generate enough power for the west coast, at the cost of every endangered species in the Mojave, and the eco minded, dont burn fossil fuel crowd who still use electricity will protest that move.

But I ask you, why would a bunch of climate change advocates protest the building of 6 geothermal generating plants because of the sulfur smell? Especially when the area they were to be built in was no where near a town or city? And the super heated water would be used to generate power then pumped back into the geothermal belt?

Explain that logic, dont burn fossil fuels, dont build more nuke plants and dont build a power plant that is self sustainable because it smells like rotten eggs.

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