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Hillwilliam -> RE: Role of the Federal, State, Local governments during disasters (8/28/2017 3:06:23 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Nnanji quote: ORIGINAL: jlf1961 quote: ORIGINAL: Nnanji To my knowledge the building department can't be bribed into violating code. But, perhaps it can bein your area. However, even if that's the case, no insurance agency in the U.S. will issue home owners insurance for a house built in a flood plane. With no home owners insurance there will be no mortgage. So unless these people greasing palms at the local building department are paying cash for the construction of a home, they aren't being built. In California the State Department of Real Estate has a check list that has to be completed before a house can be built and sold by a developer. Flood zone has to be listed on the check list and if the house is in a flood zone a registered professional engineer has to sign off that the flood zone is mitigated before the developer is allowed to sell the home. Every insurance company that contemplates issuing home owners insurance and evey lending institution contemplating issuing a mortgage checks the DRE filing on the house before anything else. So, you'd have to grease the palms of the building department, a registered engineer, an insurance broker and a banker in order to get that waiver. As violating that sort of thing would pretty much end a career and possible put those professionals in jail, I don't see your scenario happening. Of course I not familiar with practice in Texas so I may be full of shit, but the first flood, I guarantee you the homeowner would complain to an elected official and the building official that issued the waiver would be looking for a job, if not jail. Its not 'violating' but granting a waiver. And it can be done through the city council or a committee in the code enforcement department. AND ANY PUBLIC DEPARTMENT or group of elected officials has enough people with their hands out to get ANYTHING done. Its how things work in modern politics, and has been that way for as long as humans have had government. In Washington, the people doing the greasing are known as lobbyists, in other levels of government they can be called advocates or whatever. And every building department in the country grants waivers, every zoning department grants waivers. You're going to stick with that? Okay. I've lost a little respect for ya. But okay. Never buy a house in Miami.

Nnanji -> RE: Role of the Federal, State, Local governments during disasters (8/28/2017 4:10:05 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Musicmystery ~FR~ 3000 Texas National Guard, and New York air National Guard going down there now, All because the locals totally got this right? Neighbors helping neighbors? No need for government assistance? Each has its role. Lol...through sarcasm you make it sound as if you were right all along and others didn't understand. Yet, it's clear you didn't know what you were talking about at the beginning of the thread. Let me ask, is that a rhetorical devise to cover your ass or do you really believe it now?

vincentML -> RE: Role of the Federal, State, Local governments during disasters (8/28/2017 4:28:31 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Nnanji quote: ORIGINAL: Musicmystery ~FR~ 3000 Texas National Guard, and New York air National Guard going down there now, All because the locals totally got this right? Neighbors helping neighbors? No need for government assistance? Each has its role. Lol...through sarcasm you make it sound as if you were right all along and others didn't understand. Yet, it's clear you didn't know what you were talking about at the beginning of the thread. Let me ask, is that a rhetorical devise to cover your ass or do you really believe it now? FEMA speculates that 250,000 refugees will need housing and shelter. Have the locals begun building the shelters yet? Perhaps they ought to ask for federal help.

Nnanji -> RE: Role of the Federal, State, Local governments during disasters (8/28/2017 4:31:13 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: vincentML quote: ORIGINAL: Nnanji quote: ORIGINAL: Musicmystery ~FR~ 3000 Texas National Guard, and New York air National Guard going down there now, All because the locals totally got this right? Neighbors helping neighbors? No need for government assistance? Each has its role. Lol...through sarcasm you make it sound as if you were right all along and others didn't understand. Yet, it's clear you didn't know what you were talking about at the beginning of the thread. Let me ask, is that a rhetorical devise to cover your ass or do you really believe it now? FEMA speculates that 250,000 refugees will need housing and shelter. Have the locals begun building the shelters yet? Perhaps they ought to ask for federal help. Show me one fed that builds one fucking thing...anywhere.

Nnanji -> RE: Role of the Federal, State, Local governments during disasters (8/28/2017 4:33:17 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: vincentML quote: ORIGINAL: Nnanji quote: ORIGINAL: Musicmystery ~FR~ 3000 Texas National Guard, and New York air National Guard going down there now, All because the locals totally got this right? Neighbors helping neighbors? No need for government assistance? Each has its role. Lol...through sarcasm you make it sound as if you were right all along and others didn't understand. Yet, it's clear you didn't know what you were talking about at the beginning of the thread. Let me ask, is that a rhetorical devise to cover your ass or do you really believe it now? FEMA speculates that 250,000 refugees will need housing and shelter. Have the locals begun building the shelters yet? Perhaps they ought to ask for federal help. Oh, and as an aside, have you read any of my posts? Did I say anywhere the Feds shouldn't be involved? Did I say anywhere anybody shouldn't be involved?

BoscoX -> RE: Role of the Federal, State, Local governments during disasters (8/28/2017 4:34:11 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: vincentML FEMA speculates that 250,000 refugees will need housing and shelter. Have the locals begun building the shelters yet? Perhaps they ought to ask for federal help. School gymnasiums and churches and sports complexes and other existing structures are usually used No federal nanny needed for that because the locals are always far smarter than you are. They tend to think things like that through Insurance also provides assistance for temporary housing. Who but the very poorest doesn't have flood insurance in hurricane zones

BoscoX -> RE: Role of the Federal, State, Local governments during disasters (8/28/2017 4:35:32 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Nnanji quote: ORIGINAL: vincentML quote: ORIGINAL: Nnanji quote: ORIGINAL: Musicmystery ~FR~ 3000 Texas National Guard, and New York air National Guard going down there now, All because the locals totally got this right? Neighbors helping neighbors? No need for government assistance? Each has its role. Lol...through sarcasm you make it sound as if you were right all along and others didn't understand. Yet, it's clear you didn't know what you were talking about at the beginning of the thread. Let me ask, is that a rhetorical devise to cover your ass or do you really believe it now? FEMA speculates that 250,000 refugees will need housing and shelter. Have the locals begun building the shelters yet? Perhaps they ought to ask for federal help. Show me one fed that builds one fucking thing...anywhere. If anything is built they hire capitalists to do it. Pay through the nose too, because it's government work

Nnanji -> RE: Role of the Federal, State, Local governments during disasters (8/28/2017 4:41:14 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: vincentML quote: ORIGINAL: Nnanji quote: ORIGINAL: Musicmystery ~FR~ 3000 Texas National Guard, and New York air National Guard going down there now, All because the locals totally got this right? Neighbors helping neighbors? No need for government assistance? Each has its role. Lol...through sarcasm you make it sound as if you were right all along and others didn't understand. Yet, it's clear you didn't know what you were talking about at the beginning of the thread. Let me ask, is that a rhetorical devise to cover your ass or do you really believe it now? FEMA speculates that 250,000 refugees will need housing and shelter. Have the locals begun building the shelters yet? Perhaps they ought to ask for federal help. So far churches, Red Cross, local civic centers, but it seems not one fed picked up a hammer. http://www.foxnews.com/us/2017/08/28/houston-convention-center-gives-refuge-to-harveys-survivors.html https://patch.com/texas/houston/hurricane-harvey-refuge-shelters-begin-open-some-houston-area-communities https://www.dallasnews.com/news/weather/2017/08/26/church-serves-refuge-harvey-ripped-refugio

Marini -> RE: Role of the Federal, State, Local governments during disasters (8/28/2017 5:59:32 PM)
Okay, not sure where to start here, after a long day. Hundreds if not thousands of stranded residents are on social media, begging for help! YET, the mayor has STILL not issued a mandatory evacuation order across the city! WTF ? Up to 50 more inches may possibly still come! WOW! Emergency services as usual are stretched to the limit! Before/After pictures of Hurricane Harvey devastation/Daily Mail of course Damn I LOVE my DailyMail, say what you want, but during situations like this, the coverage is excellent. Pictures and pictures, all in one source. The coverage is riveting on t.v. I have always had some fascination at looking at the devastation caused by natural disasters. I can't stop looking in disbelief! Its unreal, anyone else hooked on looking at this? cars floating, homes under water, towns buried in water, people in canoes going down the street, people walking down the streets with water to their waists {Only GOD knows what is IN the water} Incredible! Hello Federal Government, we could use a lot more help down here! We need "massive amounts" of help, thanks! [sm=givemebeer.gif][sm=giveup.gif][sm=hello.gif]

Musicmystery -> RE: Role of the Federal, State, Local governments during disasters (8/28/2017 6:23:16 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: vincentML quote: ORIGINAL: Nnanji quote: ORIGINAL: Musicmystery ~FR~ 3000 Texas National Guard, and New York air National Guard going down there now, All because the locals totally got this right? Neighbors helping neighbors? No need for government assistance? Each has its role. Lol...through sarcasm you make it sound as if you were right all along and others didn't understand. Yet, it's clear you didn't know what you were talking about at the beginning of the thread. Let me ask, is that a rhetorical devise to cover your ass or do you really believe it now? FEMA speculates that 250,000 refugees will need housing and shelter. Have the locals begun building the shelters yet? Perhaps they ought to ask for federal help. I'm astounded these morons can make a natural disaster a political issue and grounds for personal attacks. I guess I should know better by now.

bounty44 -> RE: Role of the Federal, State, Local governments during disasters (8/28/2017 6:31:13 PM)
FEMA asks "ALL CITIZENS TO GET INVOLVED" to help...

Marini -> RE: Role of the Federal, State, Local governments during disasters (8/28/2017 6:38:04 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: bounty44 FEMA asks "ALL CITIZENS TO GET INVOLVED" to help... NEWSFLASH to Bounty, I have NEVER said that neighbors and friends should not help each other! I THOUGHT that was common sense, people have ALWAYS helped each other to a certain extent. MY original OP is NOT about neighbors helping others, which is nice, my post is about more help from the federal, state and local governments. [sm=wall_smiley.gif]

Hillwilliam -> RE: Role of the Federal, State, Local governments during disasters (8/28/2017 6:47:52 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Marini quote: ORIGINAL: bounty44 FEMA asks "ALL CITIZENS TO GET INVOLVED" to help... NEWSFLASH to Bounty, I have NEVER said that neighbors and friends should not help each other! I THOUGHT that was common sense, people have ALWAYS helped each other to a certain extent. MY original OP is NOT about neighbors helping others, which is nice, my post is about more help from the federal, state and local governments. [sm=wall_smiley.gif] Reminds me of Hurricane Andrew. Just a few months before, there had been a bad storm in Bangladesh. Now these people have huge-assed "Yankee go home" signs all over the damn place. Within 24 hours of the storm, there were massive amounts of aid headed that way because the hand that wasn't holding a "Yankee go home" sign was held out for a handout from Uncle Sam. Along comes Andrew that hits American taxpayers anddddddd we waited. And waited. 4 days after the storm, Wash acknowledged that something had happened in S FL. Remember kids. These are TAXPAYERS, not some bunch of mud natives hanging out in a desert that just happens to contain oil. If we can't take care of our own citizens, what the ever loving FUCK are we doing overseas where we aren't wanted? Oh yeah.............oil[8\|]

bounty44 -> RE: Role of the Federal, State, Local governments during disasters (8/28/2017 6:50:30 PM)
please quit with the head-banging hysterics. im not implying you did. you posted: "emergency services are stretched to the limit"---right, so FEMA is asking for help. presumably others are too. you also posted: "hello, federal government we could use a lot more help." well the "federal government" is asking the local people to help. remember, earlier I suggested you look for areas of both conflict and COMPLEMENTARITY?

Marini -> RE: Role of the Federal, State, Local governments during disasters (8/28/2017 6:55:58 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: bounty44 please quit with the head-banging hysterics. im not implying you did. you posted: "emergency services are stretched to the limit"---right, so FEMA is asking for help. presumably others are too. earlier I suggested you look for areas of both conflict and COMPLIMENTARITY. Again, I stated in my OP, that I have ALWAYS felt that the state, local and feds could do MORE. THAT was the point of this thread. They could always do A LOT more, BEFORE, DURING and AFTER. I want and expect MORE from the local, state and ESPECIALLY the FEDERAL government, to help American citizens. I can see from how we handle disasters that we KNEW were coming weeks in advance, if this country is ever under siege and seriously attacked? no comment

Marini -> RE: Role of the Federal, State, Local governments during disasters (8/28/2017 7:10:13 PM)
OMG, almost 5000 now in the convention center! I hope they are being well taken care of in there. Nola.com Grim reminder of hurricane Katrina!

Marini -> RE: Role of the Federal, State, Local governments during disasters (8/28/2017 7:35:02 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Hillwilliam quote: ORIGINAL: Marini quote: ORIGINAL: bounty44 FEMA asks "ALL CITIZENS TO GET INVOLVED" to help... NEWSFLASH to Bounty, I have NEVER said that neighbors and friends should not help each other! I THOUGHT that was common sense, people have ALWAYS helped each other to a certain extent. MY original OP is NOT about neighbors helping others, which is nice, my post is about more help from the federal, state and local governments. [sm=wall_smiley.gif] Reminds me of Hurricane Andrew. Just a few months before, there had been a bad storm in Bangladesh. Now these people have huge-assed "Yankee go home" signs all over the damn place. Within 24 hours of the storm, there were massive amounts of aid headed that way because the hand that wasn't holding a "Yankee go home" sign was held out for a handout from Uncle Sam. Along comes Andrew that hits American taxpayers anddddddd we waited. And waited. 4 days after the storm, Wash acknowledged that something had happened in S FL. Remember kids. These are TAXPAYERS, not some bunch of mud natives hanging out in a desert that just happens to contain oil. If we can't take care of our own citizens, what the ever loving FUCK are we doing overseas where we aren't wanted? [sm=agree.gif] Oh yeah.............oil[8\|] But Will, this is what happens when we KNOW a Cat 4/serious flooding is coming! It was predicted weeks ago! The stupid mayor STILL has not issued a mandatory evacuation order. What sort of emergency response can we REALISTICALLY expect if this country is ever seriously attacked?

Marini -> RE: Role of the Federal, State, Local governments during disasters (8/28/2017 7:46:47 PM)
Here is an update on one of Bounty's hero's. Otis the German Shepard makes it home with his food! I was really worried about Otis. Otis is smarter than the Mayor of that city. Hurricane Harvey dog makes it home with his food!

Aylee -> RE: Role of the Federal, State, Local governments during disasters (8/28/2017 8:04:19 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Marini Okay, not sure where to start here, after a long day. Hundreds if not thousands of stranded residents are on social media, begging for help! YET, the mayor has STILL not issued a mandatory evacuation order across the city! WTF ? Up to 50 more inches may possibly still come! WOW! Emergency services as usual are stretched to the limit! Before/After pictures of Hurricane Harvey devastation/Daily Mail of course Damn I LOVE my DailyMail, say what you want, but during situations like this, the coverage is excellent. Pictures and pictures, all in one source. The coverage is riveting on t.v. I have always had some fascination at looking at the devastation caused by natural disasters. I can't stop looking in disbelief! Its unreal, anyone else hooked on looking at this? cars floating, homes under water, towns buried in water, people in canoes going down the street, people walking down the streets with water to their waists {Only GOD knows what is IN the water} Incredible! Hello Federal Government, we could use a lot more help down here! We need "massive amounts" of help, thanks! [sm=givemebeer.gif][sm=giveup.gif][sm=hello.gif] Many died in cars on flooded streets during the last major hurricane. Where will you evacuate 6 million people to? Where will you get the fuel for their cars? You do know that all the main roads and interstates have low areas that will be flooded, so where do you send the cars? No, I think that the mayor may have made the correct choice in this case.

Marini -> RE: Role of the Federal, State, Local governments during disasters (8/28/2017 8:08:16 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Aylee quote: ORIGINAL: Marini Okay, not sure where to start here, after a long day. Hundreds if not thousands of stranded residents are on social media, begging for help! YET, the mayor has STILL not issued a mandatory evacuation order across the city! WTF ? Up to 50 more inches may possibly still come! WOW! Emergency services as usual are stretched to the limit! Before/After pictures of Hurricane Harvey devastation/Daily Mail of course Damn I LOVE my DailyMail, say what you want, but during situations like this, the coverage is excellent. Pictures and pictures, all in one source. The coverage is riveting on t.v. I have always had some fascination at looking at the devastation caused by natural disasters. I can't stop looking in disbelief! Its unreal, anyone else hooked on looking at this? cars floating, homes under water, towns buried in water, people in canoes going down the street, people walking down the streets with water to their waists {Only GOD knows what is IN the water} Incredible! Hello Federal Government, we could use a lot more help down here! We need "massive amounts" of help, thanks! [sm=givemebeer.gif][sm=giveup.gif][sm=hello.gif] Many died in cars on flooded streets during the last major hurricane. Where will you evacuate 6 million people to? Where will you get the fuel for their cars? You do know that all the main roads and interstates have low areas that will be flooded, so where do you send the cars? No, I think that the mayor may have made the correct choice in this case. Aylee, many of these people could have been evacuated BEFORE the storm. You don't think the United States is capable of getting most of these people out? We mentioned earlier getting buses, vans, anything that moves and providing FREE transportation out of town. Honestly, I DON'T know what the answer is/or should have been. I just feel, we could have done better across the board. I have no problem, accepting this is the best we could have done. If this is THE best we can do in the United States of America, for OUR citizens, when we knew this was coming weeks in advance? I am fine/and Jim dandy with it.

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