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jlf1961 -> How did the Trumpateers miss this? (8/28/2017 7:05:40 AM)
Black-clad antifa attack peaceful right wing demonstrators in Berkeley Well, contrary to some assertions, the WaPo is not totally left leaning, and the left is not completely innocent of violence.

BoscoX -> RE: How did the Trumpateers miss this? (8/28/2017 7:34:06 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: jlf1961 Black-clad antifa attack peaceful right wing demonstrators in Berkeley Well, contrary to some assertions, the WaPo is not totally left leaning, and the left is not completely innocent of violence. Violent alt left fascists running amok, warring against America's civil rights and begging to be put in their place is old news. The Amazon Post running one puff piece article comparing antifa fascists favorably with the peaceful speakers, demonstrators, and political assemblies they target and attack by no means excuses the Amazon Post from is infamous far left biases that you reference your OP For a real description of the despicable violent tactics employed by antifa fascists go just about anywhere other than your far left propaganda-pushing Amazon Post A few random examples from Google: Daryle Jenkins has stepped up to explain the shadowy group's violent ... https://slate.com/.../daryle-jenkins-has-stepped-up-to-explain-the-shadowy-groups-vio... 6 days ago - “The riot is our version of the strike,” said Anderson, even as he acknowledges a disconnect between some of antifa's tactics and its goals. 'Antifa' Protesters United by Extreme Protest Tactics - VOA News https://www.voanews.com/a/antifa-protesters-united-by...tactics/3992208.html Aug 19, 2017 - Violent anti-conservatives referenced in Trump's comments after Charlottesville. Antifa and The Tactics of SJW Revolutionaries. – Sisyphean News https://sisypheannews.com/2017/04/27/antifa-and-the-tactics-of-sjw-revolutionaries/ Apr 27, 2017 - In the past, I wrote an article about Antifa, Tactics and How to Counter them, when it came to my attention that many of these tactics are now ... Antifa: the Anti-fascist Handbook – 'What Trump said made the book ... https://www.theguardian.com › Arts › Books › Donald Trump 6 days ago - As well as interviews with antifa activists, it also details the tactics of the movement and the philosophy behind it. Bray describes his book as “an ... 7 Things You Need To Know About Antifa \| Daily Wire www.dailywire.com/news/.../7-things-you-need-know-about-antifa-michael-qazvini Aug 14, 2017 - Antifa uses fascist tactics to achieve its goals. Antifa is to anti-fascism what Stalin was to freedom. Antifa is fascism personified. Despite calling ... Antifa: Anti-Fascist Counterprotesters Attract Attention \| Time.com time.com/4899658/charlottesville-antifa-protests/ Aug 14, 2017 - In the name of fighting for those ideals — and putting a stop to "hate speech"—some antifa protestors will employ militant tactics or violent ... Left-Wing Agitators Call For Escalated Tactics In ... - The Daily Caller dailycaller.com/.../left-wing-agitators-call-for-escalated-tactics-in-response-to-charlott... Aug 14, 2017 - Far-left agitators are calling for an escalation in tactics following this ... Far-left “anti-fascist” (or antifa) figures are advising agitators to do the job ... Antifa uses ISIS-like tactics, YouTube stars Diamond and Silk say \| Fox ... www.foxbusiness.com/.../antifa-uses-isis-like-tactics-youtube-stars-diamond-and-silk-say... 7 days ago - “The tactics that they [Antifa] are using are out of ISIS's playbook. We don't need Antifa acting like ISIS in our country. They wear black masks ... Why do ANTIFA activists use 'fascist' tactics to convey their message ... https://www.quora.com/Why-do-ANTIFA-activists-use-fascist-tactics-to-convey-their-m... First of all, don't generalize ANTIFA as a whole. It's a movement with different extremes, and a Black Bloc faction, and a big part of their message is as fo...

Nnanji -> RE: How did the Trumpateers miss this? (8/28/2017 7:38:51 AM)
But...but...its fascists.

DesideriScuri -> RE: How did the Trumpateers miss this? (8/28/2017 8:26:27 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: jlf1961 Black-clad antifa attack peaceful right wing demonstrators in Berkeley Well, contrary to some assertions, the WaPo is not totally left leaning, and the left is not completely innocent of violence. But, they were opposing neo-nazi's, so they did nothing wrong. [/sarcasm] Obviously, the Mayor is a white supremacist. From the article: quote: "However, the violence that small group of protesters engaged in against residents and the police, including throwing smoke bombs, is unacceptable. Fighting hate with hate does not work and only makes each side more entrenched in their ideological camps.” [8\|]

ThatDizzyChick -> RE: How did the Trumpateers miss this? (8/28/2017 9:51:50 AM)
quote: and the left is not completely innocent of violence. Of course it isn't, but how is that relevant, you have no left in the U.S.. The closest you get is right leaning centrists.

Musicmystery -> RE: How did the Trumpateers miss this? (8/28/2017 10:37:47 AM)
If you're going to make up people's positions for them, you can keep the argument in your head instead of bringing it public.

heavyblinker -> RE: How did the Trumpateers miss this? (8/28/2017 2:38:17 PM)
Amber Cummings must be so happy that the violence is escalating and Trump is getting closer and closer to his Reichstag fire. And for someone who was desperate to avoid violence, she was sure keen to make a profit from selling sticks and shield to prepare for battle: http://www.dailycal.org/2017/08/25/organizer-of-canceled-alt-right-rally-previously-sold-protest-sticks-shields-with-kyle-based-stickman-chapman/

DesideriScuri -> RE: How did the Trumpateers miss this? (8/28/2017 4:00:18 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Musicmystery If you're going to make up people's positions for them, you can keep the argument in your head instead of bringing it public. It only stands to reason,using the transitive property, that since he placed blame on both sides for the violence that he, like Trump, is a white supremacist. Can't have it both ways, MM.

DesideriScuri -> RE: How did the Trumpateers miss this? (8/28/2017 4:03:12 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: ThatDizzyChick quote: and the left is not completely innocent of violence. Of course it isn't, but how is that relevant, you have no left in the U.S.. The closest you get is right leaning centrists. Compared to the rest of the world, what we call left, liberal, etc. do not necessarily match. Yet, when the subject is US politics, there definitely is a left, a right, liberals, etc. Those people might not hold the same beliefs as the left, right, liberals, etc. in other countries, but that's immaterial.

vincentML -> RE: How did the Trumpateers miss this? (8/28/2017 4:32:27 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri quote: ORIGINAL: jlf1961 Black-clad antifa attack peaceful right wing demonstrators in Berkeley Well, contrary to some assertions, the WaPo is not totally left leaning, and the left is not completely innocent of violence. But, they were opposing neo-nazi's, so they did nothing wrong. [/sarcasm] Obviously, the Mayor is a white supremacist. From the article: quote: "However, the violence that small group of protesters engaged in against residents and the police, including throwing smoke bombs, is unacceptable. Fighting hate with hate does not work and only makes each side more entrenched in their ideological camps.” Tell me, please. Did I miss it or has someone been defending the antifa?

DesideriScuri -> RE: How did the Trumpateers miss this? (8/28/2017 5:15:39 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: vincentML quote: ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri quote: ORIGINAL: jlf1961 Black-clad antifa attack peaceful right wing demonstrators in Berkeley Well, contrary to some assertions, the WaPo is not totally left leaning, and the left is not completely innocent of violence. But, they were opposing neo-nazi's, so they did nothing wrong. [/sarcasm] Obviously, the Mayor is a white supremacist. From the article: quote: "However, the violence that small group of protesters engaged in against residents and the police, including throwing smoke bombs, is unacceptable. Fighting hate with hate does not work and only makes each side more entrenched in their ideological camps.” Tell me, please. Did I miss it or has someone been defending the antifa? Apparently, you have missed it to an extent. You can't denounce violence from both sides in Charlottesville, unless you're a white supremacist. That's how that thread went, and how Trump is being treated. How is that not defending Antifa?

ThatDizzyChick -> RE: How did the Trumpateers miss this? (8/28/2017 6:23:45 PM)
Fuck you are stupid

Awareness -> RE: How did the Trumpateers miss this? (8/29/2017 8:43:40 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: jlf1961 Black-clad antifa attack peaceful right wing demonstrators in Berkeley Well, contrary to some assertions, the WaPo is not totally left leaning, and the left is not completely innocent of violence. No, the Left is incredibly violent and is generally in favour of brutality and blowing people up with explosives. And the Washington Post is a partisan news organisation which does the bidding of Jeff Bezos. Pretend journalism at its very worst.

Awareness -> RE: How did the Trumpateers miss this? (8/29/2017 8:47:08 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: vincentML Tell me, please. Did I miss it or has someone been defending the antifa? Antifa initiated the violence in Charlotte and when Trump (rightly) says there is fault on both sides, he's pilloried by the Leftist news organisations. You're damn right Antifa has been defended. In fact, it's been given a free pass to engage in violence against political opponents. Neo-Nazis are a fringe movement. Antifa is a near-mainstream violent, fascist left-wing movement which is engaging in politically and racially motivated violence.

Awareness -> RE: How did the Trumpateers miss this? (8/29/2017 8:48:15 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: ThatDizzyChick Fuck you are stupid Now that's irony, right there.

heavyblinker -> RE: How did the Trumpateers miss this? (8/29/2017 11:32:27 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Awareness Neo-Nazis are a fringe movement. Antifa is a near-mainstream violent, fascist left-wing movement which is engaging in politically and racially motivated violence. You have already established that you have an irrational need to paint all left-wingers as extremists who want to ruin everything that is normal and good, but the idea that antifa is 'near-mainstream' proves that you're even more out of touch with reality than I thought. If Trump hadn't already validated and empowered the alt-right (including the Nazis), they would still be almost completely unknown. I could be wrong, but it seems to me that unlike the Nazis/alt-right, they have absolutely no designs on power and are mostly interested in defending western values, which they correctly perceive to be under attack by the likes of Trump and the alt-right. They're not looking forward to a race war, don't want to reverse all of the progress we've made since the end of slavery, don't fetishize the 19th century/traditional masculinity, have no religious devotion to Hillary or Bernie (unlike Trump supporters/Nazis) and in fact don't seem to have any coherent ideology whatsoever. They aren't opposed to white people, they don't have any biases against gender, sexual orientation or race... they just don't want to live in the exclusive white, heterosexual, male-dominated, backwards-looking world that Trump is trying to impose on the US. The only thing they have in common with Nazis is tactics, but so far, even they draw the line at running people over with cars and shooting into crowds. Punching someone in the head or smashing a window isn't exactly on par with Timothy McVeigh or Dylan Roof... it isn't even on par with Arpaio and his concentration camp.

itsSIRtou -> RE: How did the Trumpateers miss this? (8/30/2017 11:19:37 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: heavyblinker quote: ORIGINAL: Awareness Neo-Nazis are a fringe movement. Antifa is a near-mainstream violent, fascist left-wing movement which is engaging in politically and racially motivated violence. You have already established that you have an irrational need to paint all left-wingers as extremists who want to ruin everything that is normal and good, but the idea that antifa is 'near-mainstream' proves that you're even more out of touch with reality than I thought. If Trump hadn't already validated and empowered the alt-right (including the Nazis), they would still be almost completely unknown. I could be wrong, but it seems to me that unlike the Nazis/alt-right, they have absolutely no designs on power and are mostly interested in defending western values, which they correctly perceive to be under attack by the likes of Trump and the alt-right. They're not looking forward to a race war, don't want to reverse all of the progress we've made since the end of slavery, don't fetishize the 19th century/traditional masculinity, have no religious devotion to Hillary or Bernie (unlike Trump supporters/Nazis) and in fact don't seem to have any coherent ideology whatsoever. They aren't opposed to white people, they don't have any biases against gender, sexual orientation or race... they just don't want to live in the exclusive white, heterosexual, male-dominated, backwards-looking world that Trump is trying to impose on the US. The only thing they have in common with Nazis is tactics, but so far, even they draw the line at running people over with cars and shooting into crowds. Punching someone in the head or smashing a window isn't exactly on par with Timothy McVeigh or Dylan Roof... it isn't even on par with Arpaio and his concentration camp. ya see HB,..... the right-wimgers on here know their lifestyles suck for anyone but them.... so they HAVE to paint liberals with every bad thing the Conservatives actually are so they can to make themselves palatable to unknowing people. after all its a bit of a bad media day when one of ur right-wing people use the same car tactics as middle eastern terrorists u just railed against the day before... its also has to carefully reframed when they bitch about muslim sharia law, then want to install anti race mixing laws in the next breath......

Awareness -> RE: How did the Trumpateers miss this? (8/31/2017 9:01:09 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: heavyblinker quote: ORIGINAL: Awareness Neo-Nazis are a fringe movement. Antifa is a near-mainstream violent, fascist left-wing movement which is engaging in politically and racially motivated violence. You have already established that you have an irrational need to paint all left-wingers as extremists who want to ruin everything that is normal and good, but the idea that antifa is 'near-mainstream' proves that you're even more out of touch with reality than I thought. No, it proves that I'm paying attention, whereas you get your news from CNN and MSNBC. Here's a hint. They lie. quote: If Trump hadn't already validated and empowered the alt-right (including the Nazis), they would still be almost completely unknown. How exactly did Trump "validate and empower" the alt-right? This is pure fantasy on your part. Another error on your part is to conflate the alt-right with Neo-nazis (do try and get it right petal). The alt-right is a broad spectrum of political thinkers united by the desire to push back against the authoritarian collectivist extremism of the regressive left. Their primary focus is upon retaining the hard-won freedoms which Americans have enjoyed for centuries instead of submitting to the socialist-style crushing of individuality and freedom of expression which comprises the bulk of the regressive left. quote: I could be wrong, but it seems to me that unlike the Nazis/alt-right, Nazis are not part of the alt-right. quote: they have absolutely no designs on power and are mostly interested in defending western values, which they correctly perceive to be under attack by the likes of Trump and the alt-right. On the contrary, Antifa is replete with anarchists and violent Leftists who honestly believe that violence is the appropriate response to losing an election. Within 2 years, one of them will attempt to bomb their political opponents. The Left does this sort of thing rather a lot. quote: They're not looking forward to a race war, don't want to reverse all of the progress we've made since the end of slavery, don't fetishize the 19th century/traditional masculinity, have no religious devotion to Hillary or Bernie (unlike Trump supporters/Nazis) and in fact don't seem to have any coherent ideology whatsoever. Antifa is pretty much anti-white men. Like the bulk of the regressive left. So, yes - they're racist. quote: They aren't opposed to white people, they don't have any biases against gender, sexual orientation or race... Now, you're just lying. quote: they just don't want to live in the exclusive white, heterosexual, male-dominated, backwards-looking world that Trump is trying to impose on the US. Here's a news flash for you. White, heterosexual men have dominated America for a couple of hundred years. Know why? Because they fucking built it. Kind of the same way Asians dominate China, Japan, Korea, Vietnam, Indonesia and so on. Do you see any of them engaging in bleeding heart rhetoric about their fucking unearned privilege? Of course not. The thesis that the group in power doesn't deserve that power is the whiny butt-hurt refrain of the loser. The justification for action is in cases when power is not being employed in a utilitiarian fashion to the benefit of the people. quote: The only thing they have in common with Nazis is tactics, So basically, you admit that Antifa are as bad as the Nazis. Thank you for playing.

PeonForHer -> RE: How did the Trumpateers miss this? (9/1/2017 12:18:56 AM)
quote: I could be wrong, but it seems to me that unlike the Nazis/alt-right, they have absolutely no designs on power and are mostly interested in defending western values, which they correctly perceive to be under attack by the likes of Trump and the alt-right. Heh. I always did find a certain little question puzzling: How does one become deemed a 'member of Antifa'? Say you're the sixty year old son of a Second World War soldier who'd fought and died against Hitler. You hold to various conservative values, including that of a proud patriotism. You loathe and despise everything about Nazism, which you see as the worst menace to your values the world has ever seen. There, in front of you, flanked by hundreds of other marchers, is a man carrying a swastika. You join in with those shouting at said marchers. But in joining in with them, does that instantly and by definition make you 'Antifa' - therefore lefty-extremist, etc, etc? How is this meant to work?

heavyblinker -> RE: How did the Trumpateers miss this? (9/1/2017 12:51:44 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Awareness No, it proves that I'm paying attention, whereas you get your news from CNN and MSNBC. Here's a hint. They lie. LOL... okay so where is all of the truth at? Infowars? quote: ORIGINAL: Awareness How exactly did Trump "validate and empower" the alt-right? This is pure fantasy on your part. By mainstreaming their rhetoric, promising a whiter America, and then winning the election on unrelated promises. quote: ORIGINAL: Awareness Another error on your part is to conflate the alt-right with Neo-nazis (do try and get it right petal). The alt-right is a broad spectrum of political thinkers united by the desire to push back against the authoritarian collectivist extremism of the regressive left. Their primary focus is upon retaining the hard-won freedoms which Americans have enjoyed for centuries instead of submitting to the socialist-style crushing of individuality and freedom of expression which comprises the bulk of the regressive left. The alt-right includes neo-Nazis... they are not the same thing, but they are aligned. Almost all of them are obsessed with race and identity politics. quote: Nazis are not part of the alt-right. Take it up with Wikipedia. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alt-right But you're probably just making shit up. quote: On the contrary, Antifa is replete with anarchists and violent Leftists who honestly believe that violence is the appropriate response to losing an election. Within 2 years, one of them will attempt to bomb their political opponents. The Left does this sort of thing rather a lot. It isn't about losing an election. It about the person who won the election, and the people who feel like their time has come because of that win. I guarantee that this wouldn't be happening if Kasich or Bush won. quote: Antifa is pretty much anti-white men. Like the bulk of the regressive left. So, yes - they're racist. Pure bullshit. It is obvious that you will never accept or understand that being pro-diversity is NOT being anti-white, but would you at least be able to accept that true diversity would mean that each race/culture/religion has equal amounts of representation in government? White people can be PART of diversity, but they cannot DOMINATE a truly diverse society-- no one race or culture or religion can. That is why it is called DIVERSITY. quote: Now, you're just lying. You obviously live in a parallel reality. What can I even say at this point? Is rain made of candy there? quote: Here's a news flash for you. White, heterosexual men have dominated America for a couple of hundred years. Know why? Because they fucking built it. And the Chinese invented paper. I guess that means that white people have no right to use paper, because they didn't fucking create it. quote: Kind of the same way Asians dominate China, Japan, Korea, Vietnam, Indonesia and so on. Do you see any of them engaging in bleeding heart rhetoric about their fucking unearned privilege? Of course not. Do you understand the concept of different societies, or do you think there is some cosmic law that demands everyone conform to the same basic pattern? quote: The thesis that the group in power doesn't deserve that power is the whiny butt-hurt refrain of the loser. The justification for action is in cases when power is not being employed in a utilitiarian fashion to the benefit of the people. If being a white heterosexual male is the only reason someone has power, then yes, that is stupid. quote: So basically, you admit that Antifa are as bad as the Nazis. Thank you for playing. You can use objectionable tactics in service of a worthwhile ideology. You can use agreeable tactics in service of a repugnant ideology. Is this too complicated for you?

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