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RE: LIFELESS IN SEATTLE - 9/2/2017 6:51:28 AM   
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(I am clearly wasting brain cells here).

You should watch it, you're not exactly operating with a surplus.

When I first saw this thread, I thought it was about you. I'm not so sure I was wrong.


Yeah, he's a moron. I would never see his posts if others didn't quote him


Damn...Bosco hates me....I believe I just won the world lottery.

LOL! Bosco reads everything -- he's too afraid someone will say something about him, and too insecure to just let it go.


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RE: LIFELESS IN SEATTLE - 9/2/2017 7:08:05 AM   
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You are wrong about one thing, she had a reason. she was crazy, and stupid.

Usually not both. Crazy is an organic illness. That means that parts of the brain are altered. In PTSD cases for example the amygdala (the site of fear and anxiety) is enlarged while the hippocampus (a major memory site and player in dementia) is shrunken. That would be an explanation for bizarre behavior. Crazy and stupid are different things.


Stupid is starting a gunfight and bringing a knife.

Repeating yourself under the delusion that doing so will make it become true doesn’t make you the brightest bulb in the hallway. I can see why you lack compassion for mental illness, for the people who suffer from mental illness. It seems like you don’t understand what it is all about.

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RE: LIFELESS IN SEATTLE - 9/2/2017 12:00:55 PM   
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You are wrong about one thing, she had a reason. she was crazy, and stupid.

Usually not both. Crazy is an organic illness. That means that parts of the brain are altered. In PTSD cases for example the amygdala (the site of fear and anxiety) is enlarged while the hippocampus (a major memory site and player in dementia) is shrunken. That would be an explanation for bizarre behavior. Crazy and stupid are different things.


Stupid is starting a gunfight and bringing a knife.

Repeating yourself under the delusion that doing so will make it become true doesn’t make you the brightest bulb in the hallway. I can see why you lack compassion for mental illness, for the people who suffer from mental illness. It seems like you don’t understand what it is all about.

Just because you do something stupid because you are mentally ill doesn't mean it isn't stupid.
I have compassion, I do not have compassion for people who attack others with knives, no matter
what the excuse.

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RE: LIFELESS IN SEATTLE - 9/2/2017 12:03:24 PM   
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but surely she was trying to defend herself from people who burst into her apartment...
what happened to self defence?
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RE: LIFELESS IN SEATTLE - 9/2/2017 1:17:25 PM   
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but surely she was trying to defend herself from people who burst into her apartment...
what happened to self defence?
LOLOLOLL


You'll be saying that Varg Vikernes didn't stab the guy out of mayhem out of self defence, next...

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RE: LIFELESS IN SEATTLE - 9/2/2017 3:17:58 PM   
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You are wrong about one thing, she had a reason. she was crazy, and stupid.

Usually not both. Crazy is an organic illness. That means that parts of the brain are altered. In PTSD cases for example the amygdala (the site of fear and anxiety) is enlarged while the hippocampus (a major memory site and player in dementia) is shrunken. That would be an explanation for bizarre behavior. Crazy and stupid are different things.


Stupid is starting a gunfight and bringing a knife.

Repeating yourself under the delusion that doing so will make it become true doesn’t make you the brightest bulb in the hallway. I can see why you lack compassion for mental illness, for the people who suffer from mental illness. It seems like you don’t understand what it is all about.

Just because you do something stupid because you are mentally ill doesn't mean it isn't stupid.
I have compassion, I do not have compassion for people who attack others with knives, no matter
what the excuse.

It is not an excuse when their brain is so distorted that they are no longer rational. Don’t be an idiot. An excuse assumes some level of rationality. That’s why it is incumbent upon the police to know what they’re dealing with and to be trained and have protocol to deal with it properly.

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RE: LIFELESS IN SEATTLE - 9/2/2017 4:08:30 PM   
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ORIGINAL: vincentML


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ORIGINAL: BamaD


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ORIGINAL: vincentML

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You are wrong about one thing, she had a reason. she was crazy, and stupid.

Usually not both. Crazy is an organic illness. That means that parts of the brain are altered. In PTSD cases for example the amygdala (the site of fear and anxiety) is enlarged while the hippocampus (a major memory site and player in dementia) is shrunken. That would be an explanation for bizarre behavior. Crazy and stupid are different things.


Stupid is starting a gunfight and bringing a knife.

Repeating yourself under the delusion that doing so will make it become true doesn’t make you the brightest bulb in the hallway. I can see why you lack compassion for mental illness, for the people who suffer from mental illness. It seems like you don’t understand what it is all about.

Just because you do something stupid because you are mentally ill doesn't mean it isn't stupid.
I have compassion, I do not have compassion for people who attack others with knives, no matter
what the excuse.

It is not an excuse when their brain is so distorted that they are no longer rational. Don’t be an idiot. An excuse assumes some level of rationality. That’s why it is incumbent upon the police to know what they’re dealing with and to be trained and have protocol to deal with it properly.

So you are saying that since her delusion said that she could win with a knife the cops should have let her.
My 1st wife thought that wanting to watch a different TV show than she wanted gave her the right to kill you,
that didn't mean I had to humor her.

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RE: LIFELESS IN SEATTLE - 9/2/2017 5:25:42 PM   
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You are wrong about one thing, she had a reason. she was crazy, and stupid.

Usually not both. Crazy is an organic illness. That means that parts of the brain are altered. In PTSD cases for example the amygdala (the site of fear and anxiety) is enlarged while the hippocampus (a major memory site and player in dementia) is shrunken. That would be an explanation for bizarre behavior. Crazy and stupid are different things.



The chic was fucked up.

MAJORLY fucked up.

WAAAAAY fucked up.

Should the cops have had tazers? That was discussed and...the cops were found at fault on THAT subject.

They are SUPPOSED to have tasers at ALL TIMES.

(WITHOUT DEBATE....NO LESS THAN HAVING CAR KEYS...OR A BADGE!!!!!!!!!!!!!).

They claimed to have "left their tasers at the field office".

The truth is...this chic was FUUUUCKED UP. She had called in for assistance....THIRTY EIGHT TIMES in the last 60 days or so.

They came in calm.

They came in with guns holstered.

She's dead because....she came at them...lunging....with a 9" carving knife.

NOT because she did the same thing 2 weeks prior but...because she did it THAT DAY.


NOT because she's black.

Because...she ATTACKED two Police Officers with a FUCKING 9" CARVING knife!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

(It's THAT simple).

I have ENORMOUS compassion for this woman...her family....YES...she was sick...CLEARLY....HORRIBLY mentally ill but....she came after TWO POLICE OFFICERS with a DEADLY weapon!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

She's dead because of her choices.

Whether she's black....single mother....unemployed....

She ATTACKED TWO CAPABLE POLICE OFFICERS....who came in to assist...and the audio more than clearly shows that.

She's now dead.

##END##

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RE: LIFELESS IN SEATTLE - 9/2/2017 5:38:27 PM   
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ORIGINAL: vincentML

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You are wrong about one thing, she had a reason. she was crazy, and stupid.

Usually not both. Crazy is an organic illness. That means that parts of the brain are altered. In PTSD cases for example the amygdala (the site of fear and anxiety) is enlarged while the hippocampus (a major memory site and player in dementia) is shrunken. That would be an explanation for bizarre behavior. Crazy and stupid are different things.



The chic was fucked up.

MAJORLY fucked up.

WAAAAAY fucked up.

Should the cops have had tazers? That was discussed and...the cops were found at fault on THAT subject.

They are SUPPOSED to have tasers at ALL TIMES.

(WITHOUT DEBATE....NO LESS THAN HAVING CAR KEYS...OR A BADGE!!!!!!!!!!!!!).

They claimed to have "left their tasers at the field office".

The truth is...this chic was FUUUUCKED UP. She had called in for assistance....THIRTY EIGHT TIMES in the last 60 days or so.

They came in calm.

They came in with guns holstered.

She's dead because....she came at them...lunging....with a 9" carving knife.

NOT because she did the same thing 2 weeks prior but...because she did it THAT DAY.


NOT because she's black.

Because...she ATTACKED two Police Officers with a FUCKING 9" CARVING knife!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

(It's THAT simple).

I have ENORMOUS compassion for this woman...her family....YES...she was sick...CLEARLY....HORRIBLY mentally ill but....she came after TWO POLICE OFFICERS with a DEADLY weapon!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

She's dead because of her choices.

Whether she's black....single mother....unemployed....

She ATTACKED TWO CAPABLE POLICE OFFICERS....who came in to assist...and the audio more than clearly shows that.

She's now dead.

##END##

With the majority of departments the tazer option goes away when lethal weapons come into play.

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People don't believe they can defend themselves because they have guns, they have guns because they believe they can defend themselves.

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RE: LIFELESS IN SEATTLE - 9/2/2017 6:38:43 PM   
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ORIGINAL: AtUrCervix

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You are wrong about one thing, she had a reason. she was crazy, and stupid.

Usually not both. Crazy is an organic illness. That means that parts of the brain are altered. In PTSD cases for example the amygdala (the site of fear and anxiety) is enlarged while the hippocampus (a major memory site and player in dementia) is shrunken. That would be an explanation for bizarre behavior. Crazy and stupid are different things.



The chic was fucked up.

MAJORLY fucked up.

WAAAAAY fucked up.

Should the cops have had tazers? That was discussed and...the cops were found at fault on THAT subject.

They are SUPPOSED to have tasers at ALL TIMES.

(WITHOUT DEBATE....NO LESS THAN HAVING CAR KEYS...OR A BADGE!!!!!!!!!!!!!).

They claimed to have "left their tasers at the field office".

The truth is...this chic was FUUUUCKED UP. She had called in for assistance....THIRTY EIGHT TIMES in the last 60 days or so.

They came in calm.

They came in with guns holstered.

She's dead because....she came at them...lunging....with a 9" carving knife.

NOT because she did the same thing 2 weeks prior but...because she did it THAT DAY.


NOT because she's black.

Because...she ATTACKED two Police Officers with a FUCKING 9" CARVING knife!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

(It's THAT simple).

I have ENORMOUS compassion for this woman...her family....YES...she was sick...CLEARLY....HORRIBLY mentally ill but....she came after TWO POLICE OFFICERS with a DEADLY weapon!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

She's dead because of her choices.

Whether she's black....single mother....unemployed....

She ATTACKED TWO CAPABLE POLICE OFFICERS....who came in to assist...and the audio more than clearly shows that.

She's now dead.

##END##

Well, God dammit!

38 calls in the last 60 days?


They certainly had enough warning, did they not? Don’t you think they should have come in with a plan, instead of just casually strolling in and talking about her converting to a wolf? Strikes me as grossly unprofessional, brain clogged, police work. Heaven forbid they should be alert enough to their assignment to maintain not only their own safety but the safety of the person they are visiting as well. The new information you just gave me makes the matter look a lot worse than I thought it was. With all that notice they failed to act. How outrageous is that?

Don’t deflect the subject to race. I never said anything about race.

This is just horrendous police work in dealing with the mentally ill. Fucking criminal police work by Officers Dumb and Dumber!

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RE: LIFELESS IN SEATTLE - 9/2/2017 6:58:25 PM   
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ORIGINAL: vincentML


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ORIGINAL: AtUrCervix

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ORIGINAL: vincentML

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You are wrong about one thing, she had a reason. she was crazy, and stupid.

Usually not both. Crazy is an organic illness. That means that parts of the brain are altered. In PTSD cases for example the amygdala (the site of fear and anxiety) is enlarged while the hippocampus (a major memory site and player in dementia) is shrunken. That would be an explanation for bizarre behavior. Crazy and stupid are different things.



The chic was fucked up.

MAJORLY fucked up.

WAAAAAY fucked up.

Should the cops have had tazers? That was discussed and...the cops were found at fault on THAT subject.

They are SUPPOSED to have tasers at ALL TIMES.

(WITHOUT DEBATE....NO LESS THAN HAVING CAR KEYS...OR A BADGE!!!!!!!!!!!!!).

They claimed to have "left their tasers at the field office".

The truth is...this chic was FUUUUCKED UP. She had called in for assistance....THIRTY EIGHT TIMES in the last 60 days or so.

They came in calm.

They came in with guns holstered.

She's dead because....she came at them...lunging....with a 9" carving knife.

NOT because she did the same thing 2 weeks prior but...because she did it THAT DAY.


NOT because she's black.

Because...she ATTACKED two Police Officers with a FUCKING 9" CARVING knife!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

(It's THAT simple).

I have ENORMOUS compassion for this woman...her family....YES...she was sick...CLEARLY....HORRIBLY mentally ill but....she came after TWO POLICE OFFICERS with a DEADLY weapon!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

She's dead because of her choices.

Whether she's black....single mother....unemployed....

She ATTACKED TWO CAPABLE POLICE OFFICERS....who came in to assist...and the audio more than clearly shows that.

She's now dead.

##END##

Well, God dammit!

38 calls in the last 60 days?


They certainly had enough warning, did they not? Don’t you think they should have come in with a plan, instead of just casually strolling in and talking about her converting to a wolf? Strikes me as grossly unprofessional, brain clogged, police work. Heaven forbid they should be alert enough to their assignment to maintain not only their own safety but the safety of the person they are visiting as well. The new information you just gave me makes the matter look a lot worse than I thought it was. With all that notice they failed to act. How outrageous is that?

Don’t deflect the subject to race. I never said anything about race.

This is just horrendous police work in dealing with the mentally ill. Fucking criminal police work by Officers Dumb and Dumber!

They should have had flashbangs.

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People don't believe they can defend themselves because they have guns, they have guns because they believe they can defend themselves.

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RE: LIFELESS IN SEATTLE - 9/2/2017 7:03:26 PM   
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ORIGINAL: vincentML


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ORIGINAL: AtUrCervix

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ORIGINAL: vincentML

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You are wrong about one thing, she had a reason. she was crazy, and stupid.

Usually not both. Crazy is an organic illness. That means that parts of the brain are altered. In PTSD cases for example the amygdala (the site of fear and anxiety) is enlarged while the hippocampus (a major memory site and player in dementia) is shrunken. That would be an explanation for bizarre behavior. Crazy and stupid are different things.



The chic was fucked up.

MAJORLY fucked up.

WAAAAAY fucked up.

Should the cops have had tazers? That was discussed and...the cops were found at fault on THAT subject.

They are SUPPOSED to have tasers at ALL TIMES.

(WITHOUT DEBATE....NO LESS THAN HAVING CAR KEYS...OR A BADGE!!!!!!!!!!!!!).

They claimed to have "left their tasers at the field office".

The truth is...this chic was FUUUUCKED UP. She had called in for assistance....THIRTY EIGHT TIMES in the last 60 days or so.

They came in calm.

They came in with guns holstered.

She's dead because....she came at them...lunging....with a 9" carving knife.

NOT because she did the same thing 2 weeks prior but...because she did it THAT DAY.


NOT because she's black.

Because...she ATTACKED two Police Officers with a FUCKING 9" CARVING knife!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

(It's THAT simple).

I have ENORMOUS compassion for this woman...her family....YES...she was sick...CLEARLY....HORRIBLY mentally ill but....she came after TWO POLICE OFFICERS with a DEADLY weapon!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

She's dead because of her choices.

Whether she's black....single mother....unemployed....

She ATTACKED TWO CAPABLE POLICE OFFICERS....who came in to assist...and the audio more than clearly shows that.

She's now dead.

##END##

Well, God dammit!

38 calls in the last 60 days?


They certainly had enough warning, did they not? Don’t you think they should have come in with a plan, instead of just casually strolling in and talking about her converting to a wolf? Strikes me as grossly unprofessional, brain clogged, police work. Heaven forbid they should be alert enough to their assignment to maintain not only their own safety but the safety of the person they are visiting as well. The new information you just gave me makes the matter look a lot worse than I thought it was. With all that notice they failed to act. How outrageous is that?

Don’t deflect the subject to race. I never said anything about race.

This is just horrendous police work in dealing with the mentally ill. Fucking criminal police work by Officers Dumb and Dumber!


Go for it.

(You'll ride on the same premise 83% of the population that reads headlines....deduces).

It's all good babe....it's the way the world typically plans for the next day.

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RE: LIFELESS IN SEATTLE - 9/2/2017 8:16:40 PM   
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ORIGINAL: vincentML


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ORIGINAL: AtUrCervix

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ORIGINAL: vincentML

quote:

You are wrong about one thing, she had a reason. she was crazy, and stupid.

Usually not both. Crazy is an organic illness. That means that parts of the brain are altered. In PTSD cases for example the amygdala (the site of fear and anxiety) is enlarged while the hippocampus (a major memory site and player in dementia) is shrunken. That would be an explanation for bizarre behavior. Crazy and stupid are different things.



The chic was fucked up.

MAJORLY fucked up.

WAAAAAY fucked up.

Should the cops have had tazers? That was discussed and...the cops were found at fault on THAT subject.

They are SUPPOSED to have tasers at ALL TIMES.

(WITHOUT DEBATE....NO LESS THAN HAVING CAR KEYS...OR A BADGE!!!!!!!!!!!!!).

They claimed to have "left their tasers at the field office".

The truth is...this chic was FUUUUCKED UP. She had called in for assistance....THIRTY EIGHT TIMES in the last 60 days or so.

They came in calm.

They came in with guns holstered.

She's dead because....she came at them...lunging....with a 9" carving knife.

NOT because she did the same thing 2 weeks prior but...because she did it THAT DAY.


NOT because she's black.

Because...she ATTACKED two Police Officers with a FUCKING 9" CARVING knife!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

(It's THAT simple).

I have ENORMOUS compassion for this woman...her family....YES...she was sick...CLEARLY....HORRIBLY mentally ill but....she came after TWO POLICE OFFICERS with a DEADLY weapon!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

She's dead because of her choices.

Whether she's black....single mother....unemployed....

She ATTACKED TWO CAPABLE POLICE OFFICERS....who came in to assist...and the audio more than clearly shows that.

She's now dead.

##END##

Well, God dammit!

38 calls in the last 60 days?


They certainly had enough warning, did they not? Don’t you think they should have come in with a plan, instead of just casually strolling in and talking about her converting to a wolf? Strikes me as grossly unprofessional, brain clogged, police work. Heaven forbid they should be alert enough to their assignment to maintain not only their own safety but the safety of the person they are visiting as well. The new information you just gave me makes the matter look a lot worse than I thought it was. With all that notice they failed to act. How outrageous is that?

Don’t deflect the subject to race. I never said anything about race.

This is just horrendous police work in dealing with the mentally ill. Fucking criminal police work by Officers Dumb and Dumber!


Go for it.

(You'll ride on the same premise 83% of the population that reads headlines....deduces).

It's all good babe....it's the way the world typically plans for the next day.

The issue is, the police didn't need to do or worry about anything. They and obviously the dept. and even after all of those calls, didn't need to be aware of or the slightest bit concerned about, her situation or her mental health,

[They] didn't need to concern themselves with anything but shoot to kill if you 'feel you are in danger.' You see, that's much easier and straight forward training...shoot first and ask questions later. How many hours and college degrees does that take ?

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RE: LIFELESS IN SEATTLE - 9/2/2017 8:23:34 PM   
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ORIGINAL: AtUrCervix

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ORIGINAL: vincentML

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You are wrong about one thing, she had a reason. she was crazy, and stupid.

Usually not both. Crazy is an organic illness. That means that parts of the brain are altered. In PTSD cases for example the amygdala (the site of fear and anxiety) is enlarged while the hippocampus (a major memory site and player in dementia) is shrunken. That would be an explanation for bizarre behavior. Crazy and stupid are different things.



The chic was fucked up.

MAJORLY fucked up.

WAAAAAY fucked up.

Should the cops have had tazers? That was discussed and...the cops were found at fault on THAT subject.

They are SUPPOSED to have tasers at ALL TIMES.

(WITHOUT DEBATE....NO LESS THAN HAVING CAR KEYS...OR A BADGE!!!!!!!!!!!!!).

They claimed to have "left their tasers at the field office".

The truth is...this chic was FUUUUCKED UP. She had called in for assistance....THIRTY EIGHT TIMES in the last 60 days or so.

They came in calm.

They came in with guns holstered.

She's dead because....she came at them...lunging....with a 9" carving knife.

NOT because she did the same thing 2 weeks prior but...because she did it THAT DAY.


NOT because she's black.

Because...she ATTACKED two Police Officers with a FUCKING 9" CARVING knife!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

(It's THAT simple).

I have ENORMOUS compassion for this woman...her family....YES...she was sick...CLEARLY....HORRIBLY mentally ill but....she came after TWO POLICE OFFICERS with a DEADLY weapon!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

She's dead because of her choices.

Whether she's black....single mother....unemployed....

She ATTACKED TWO CAPABLE POLICE OFFICERS....who came in to assist...and the audio more than clearly shows that.

She's now dead.

##END##

Well, God dammit!

38 calls in the last 60 days?


They certainly had enough warning, did they not? Don’t you think they should have come in with a plan, instead of just casually strolling in and talking about her converting to a wolf? Strikes me as grossly unprofessional, brain clogged, police work. Heaven forbid they should be alert enough to their assignment to maintain not only their own safety but the safety of the person they are visiting as well. The new information you just gave me makes the matter look a lot worse than I thought it was. With all that notice they failed to act. How outrageous is that?

Don’t deflect the subject to race. I never said anything about race.

This is just horrendous police work in dealing with the mentally ill. Fucking criminal police work by Officers Dumb and Dumber!


Go for it.

(You'll ride on the same premise 83% of the population that reads headlines....deduces).

It's all good babe....it's the way the world typically plans for the next day.

The issue is, the police didn't need to do or worry about anything. They and obviously the dept. and even after all of those calls, didn't need to be aware of or the slightest bit concerned about, her situation or her mental health,

[They] didn't need to concern themselves with anything but shoot to kill if you 'feel you are in danger.' You see, that's much easier and straight forward training...shoot first and ask questions later. How many hours and college degrees does that take ?

Because you, being more enlightened, would get carved up, as they should have.

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People don't believe they can defend themselves because they have guns, they have guns because they believe they can defend themselves.

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RE: LIFELESS IN SEATTLE - 9/3/2017 11:16:11 AM   
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You are wrong about one thing, she had a reason. she was crazy, and stupid.

Usually not both. Crazy is an organic illness. That means that parts of the brain are altered. In PTSD cases for example the amygdala (the site of fear and anxiety) is enlarged while the hippocampus (a major memory site and player in dementia) is shrunken. That would be an explanation for bizarre behavior. Crazy and stupid are different things.



The chic was fucked up.

MAJORLY fucked up.

WAAAAAY fucked up.

Should the cops have had tazers? That was discussed and...the cops were found at fault on THAT subject.

They are SUPPOSED to have tasers at ALL TIMES.

(WITHOUT DEBATE....NO LESS THAN HAVING CAR KEYS...OR A BADGE!!!!!!!!!!!!!).

They claimed to have "left their tasers at the field office".

The truth is...this chic was FUUUUCKED UP. She had called in for assistance....THIRTY EIGHT TIMES in the last 60 days or so.

They came in calm.

They came in with guns holstered.

She's dead because....she came at them...lunging....with a 9" carving knife.

NOT because she did the same thing 2 weeks prior but...because she did it THAT DAY.


NOT because she's black.

Because...she ATTACKED two Police Officers with a FUCKING 9" CARVING knife!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

(It's THAT simple).

I have ENORMOUS compassion for this woman...her family....YES...she was sick...CLEARLY....HORRIBLY mentally ill but....she came after TWO POLICE OFFICERS with a DEADLY weapon!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

She's dead because of her choices.

Whether she's black....single mother....unemployed....

She ATTACKED TWO CAPABLE POLICE OFFICERS....who came in to assist...and the audio more than clearly shows that.

She's now dead.

##END##

Well, God dammit!

38 calls in the last 60 days?


They certainly had enough warning, did they not? Don’t you think they should have come in with a plan, instead of just casually strolling in and talking about her converting to a wolf? Strikes me as grossly unprofessional, brain clogged, police work. Heaven forbid they should be alert enough to their assignment to maintain not only their own safety but the safety of the person they are visiting as well. The new information you just gave me makes the matter look a lot worse than I thought it was. With all that notice they failed to act. How outrageous is that?

Don’t deflect the subject to race. I never said anything about race.

This is just horrendous police work in dealing with the mentally ill. Fucking criminal police work by Officers Dumb and Dumber!


Go for it.

(You'll ride on the same premise 83% of the population that reads headlines....deduces).

It's all good babe....it's the way the world typically plans for the next day.

The issue is, the police didn't need to do or worry about anything. They and obviously the dept. and even after all of those calls, didn't need to be aware of or the slightest bit concerned about, her situation or her mental health,

[They] didn't need to concern themselves with anything but shoot to kill if you 'feel you are in danger.' You see, that's much easier and straight forward training...shoot first and ask questions later. How many hours and college degrees does that take ?

Because you, being more enlightened, would get carved up, as they should have.

Spot on, Rodgers. Our friend here seems to think that the police should not be aware of the circumstances into which they are walking. More fun that way! Dumb, dumber, and dumbest.

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RE: LIFELESS IN SEATTLE - 9/3/2017 12:49:23 PM   
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You are wrong about one thing, she had a reason. she was crazy, and stupid.

Usually not both. Crazy is an organic illness. That means that parts of the brain are altered. In PTSD cases for example the amygdala (the site of fear and anxiety) is enlarged while the hippocampus (a major memory site and player in dementia) is shrunken. That would be an explanation for bizarre behavior. Crazy and stupid are different things.



The chic was fucked up.

MAJORLY fucked up.

WAAAAAY fucked up.

Should the cops have had tazers? That was discussed and...the cops were found at fault on THAT subject.

They are SUPPOSED to have tasers at ALL TIMES.

(WITHOUT DEBATE....NO LESS THAN HAVING CAR KEYS...OR A BADGE!!!!!!!!!!!!!).

They claimed to have "left their tasers at the field office".

The truth is...this chic was FUUUUCKED UP. She had called in for assistance....THIRTY EIGHT TIMES in the last 60 days or so.

They came in calm.

They came in with guns holstered.

She's dead because....she came at them...lunging....with a 9" carving knife.

NOT because she did the same thing 2 weeks prior but...because she did it THAT DAY.


NOT because she's black.

Because...she ATTACKED two Police Officers with a FUCKING 9" CARVING knife!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

(It's THAT simple).

I have ENORMOUS compassion for this woman...her family....YES...she was sick...CLEARLY....HORRIBLY mentally ill but....she came after TWO POLICE OFFICERS with a DEADLY weapon!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

She's dead because of her choices.

Whether she's black....single mother....unemployed....

She ATTACKED TWO CAPABLE POLICE OFFICERS....who came in to assist...and the audio more than clearly shows that.

She's now dead.

##END##

Well, God dammit!

38 calls in the last 60 days?


They certainly had enough warning, did they not? Don’t you think they should have come in with a plan, instead of just casually strolling in and talking about her converting to a wolf? Strikes me as grossly unprofessional, brain clogged, police work. Heaven forbid they should be alert enough to their assignment to maintain not only their own safety but the safety of the person they are visiting as well. The new information you just gave me makes the matter look a lot worse than I thought it was. With all that notice they failed to act. How outrageous is that?

Don’t deflect the subject to race. I never said anything about race.

This is just horrendous police work in dealing with the mentally ill. Fucking criminal police work by Officers Dumb and Dumber!


Go for it.

(You'll ride on the same premise 83% of the population that reads headlines....deduces).

It's all good babe....it's the way the world typically plans for the next day.

The issue is, the police didn't need to do or worry about anything. They and obviously the dept. and even after all of those calls, didn't need to be aware of or the slightest bit concerned about, her situation or her mental health,

[They] didn't need to concern themselves with anything but shoot to kill if you 'feel you are in danger.' You see, that's much easier and straight forward training...shoot first and ask questions later. How many hours and college degrees does that take ?

Because you, being more enlightened, would get carved up, as they should have.

Spot on, Rodgers. Our friend here seems to think that the police should not be aware of the circumstances into which they are walking. More fun that way! Dumb, dumber, and dumbest.

Now you are putting words in my mouth that are not supported by anything that I said. Show me were I said that the police should not be aware of the situation.
And if you want to play by the same rules you expect of me you have to show where I said those exact words.


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People don't believe they can defend themselves because they have guns, they have guns because they believe they can defend themselves.

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RE: LIFELESS IN SEATTLE - 9/3/2017 2:53:20 PM   
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You are wrong about one thing, she had a reason. she was crazy, and stupid.

Usually not both. Crazy is an organic illness. That means that parts of the brain are altered. In PTSD cases for example the amygdala (the site of fear and anxiety) is enlarged while the hippocampus (a major memory site and player in dementia) is shrunken. That would be an explanation for bizarre behavior. Crazy and stupid are different things.



The chic was fucked up.

MAJORLY fucked up.

WAAAAAY fucked up.

Should the cops have had tazers? That was discussed and...the cops were found at fault on THAT subject.

They are SUPPOSED to have tasers at ALL TIMES.

(WITHOUT DEBATE....NO LESS THAN HAVING CAR KEYS...OR A BADGE!!!!!!!!!!!!!).

They claimed to have "left their tasers at the field office".

The truth is...this chic was FUUUUCKED UP. She had called in for assistance....THIRTY EIGHT TIMES in the last 60 days or so.

They came in calm.

They came in with guns holstered.

She's dead because....she came at them...lunging....with a 9" carving knife.

NOT because she did the same thing 2 weeks prior but...because she did it THAT DAY.


NOT because she's black.

Because...she ATTACKED two Police Officers with a FUCKING 9" CARVING knife!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

(It's THAT simple).

I have ENORMOUS compassion for this woman...her family....YES...she was sick...CLEARLY....HORRIBLY mentally ill but....she came after TWO POLICE OFFICERS with a DEADLY weapon!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

She's dead because of her choices.

Whether she's black....single mother....unemployed....

She ATTACKED TWO CAPABLE POLICE OFFICERS....who came in to assist...and the audio more than clearly shows that.

She's now dead.

##END##

Well, God dammit!

38 calls in the last 60 days?


They certainly had enough warning, did they not? Don’t you think they should have come in with a plan, instead of just casually strolling in and talking about her converting to a wolf? Strikes me as grossly unprofessional, brain clogged, police work. Heaven forbid they should be alert enough to their assignment to maintain not only their own safety but the safety of the person they are visiting as well. The new information you just gave me makes the matter look a lot worse than I thought it was. With all that notice they failed to act. How outrageous is that?

Don’t deflect the subject to race. I never said anything about race.

This is just horrendous police work in dealing with the mentally ill. Fucking criminal police work by Officers Dumb and Dumber!


Go for it.

(You'll ride on the same premise 83% of the population that reads headlines....deduces).

It's all good babe....it's the way the world typically plans for the next day.

The issue is, the police didn't need to do or worry about anything. They and obviously the dept. and even after all of those calls, didn't need to be aware of or the slightest bit concerned about, her situation or her mental health,

[They] didn't need to concern themselves with anything but shoot to kill if you 'feel you are in danger.' You see, that's much easier and straight forward training...shoot first and ask questions later. How many hours and college degrees does that take ?

Because you, being more enlightened, would get carved up, as they should have.

Spot on, Rodgers. Our friend here seems to think that the police should not be aware of the circumstances into which they are walking. More fun that way! Dumb, dumber, and dumbest.

Now you are putting words in my mouth that are not supported by anything that I said. Show me were I said that the police should not be aware of the situation.
And if you want to play by the same rules you expect of me you have to show where I said those exact words.


I didn’t say you said anything, old sport. I said you seem to think something. Your thinking I inferred from your stance regarding this particular incident. You said she had reason and she was crazy and stupid. Well if the cops knew this, that she was mentally ill, then they should have approached her in a different fashion, don’t you think? And let me tell you this: God gives out free will except to the mentally ill. When your brain is locked up he takes it back. So there is no matter of choice here. She did not choose to attack those cops of her own free will. I hope you will start to understand that one day soon.

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RE: LIFELESS IN SEATTLE - 9/3/2017 3:05:12 PM   
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You are wrong about one thing, she had a reason. she was crazy, and stupid.

Usually not both. Crazy is an organic illness. That means that parts of the brain are altered. In PTSD cases for example the amygdala (the site of fear and anxiety) is enlarged while the hippocampus (a major memory site and player in dementia) is shrunken. That would be an explanation for bizarre behavior. Crazy and stupid are different things.



The chic was fucked up.

MAJORLY fucked up.

WAAAAAY fucked up.

Should the cops have had tazers? That was discussed and...the cops were found at fault on THAT subject.

They are SUPPOSED to have tasers at ALL TIMES.

(WITHOUT DEBATE....NO LESS THAN HAVING CAR KEYS...OR A BADGE!!!!!!!!!!!!!).

They claimed to have "left their tasers at the field office".

The truth is...this chic was FUUUUCKED UP. She had called in for assistance....THIRTY EIGHT TIMES in the last 60 days or so.

They came in calm.

They came in with guns holstered.

She's dead because....she came at them...lunging....with a 9" carving knife.

NOT because she did the same thing 2 weeks prior but...because she did it THAT DAY.


NOT because she's black.

Because...she ATTACKED two Police Officers with a FUCKING 9" CARVING knife!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

(It's THAT simple).

I have ENORMOUS compassion for this woman...her family....YES...she was sick...CLEARLY....HORRIBLY mentally ill but....she came after TWO POLICE OFFICERS with a DEADLY weapon!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

She's dead because of her choices.

Whether she's black....single mother....unemployed....

She ATTACKED TWO CAPABLE POLICE OFFICERS....who came in to assist...and the audio more than clearly shows that.

She's now dead.

##END##

Well, God dammit!

38 calls in the last 60 days?


They certainly had enough warning, did they not? Don’t you think they should have come in with a plan, instead of just casually strolling in and talking about her converting to a wolf? Strikes me as grossly unprofessional, brain clogged, police work. Heaven forbid they should be alert enough to their assignment to maintain not only their own safety but the safety of the person they are visiting as well. The new information you just gave me makes the matter look a lot worse than I thought it was. With all that notice they failed to act. How outrageous is that?

Don’t deflect the subject to race. I never said anything about race.

This is just horrendous police work in dealing with the mentally ill. Fucking criminal police work by Officers Dumb and Dumber!


Go for it.

(You'll ride on the same premise 83% of the population that reads headlines....deduces).

It's all good babe....it's the way the world typically plans for the next day.

The issue is, the police didn't need to do or worry about anything. They and obviously the dept. and even after all of those calls, didn't need to be aware of or the slightest bit concerned about, her situation or her mental health,

[They] didn't need to concern themselves with anything but shoot to kill if you 'feel you are in danger.' You see, that's much easier and straight forward training...shoot first and ask questions later. How many hours and college degrees does that take ?

Because you, being more enlightened, would get carved up, as they should have.

Spot on, Rodgers. Our friend here seems to think that the police should not be aware of the circumstances into which they are walking. More fun that way! Dumb, dumber, and dumbest.

Now you are putting words in my mouth that are not supported by anything that I said. Show me were I said that the police should not be aware of the situation.
And if you want to play by the same rules you expect of me you have to show where I said those exact words.


I didn’t say you said anything, old sport. I said you seem to think something. Your thinking I inferred from your stance regarding this particular incident. You said she had reason and she was crazy and stupid. Well if the cops knew this, that she was mentally ill, then they should have approached her in a different fashion, don’t you think? And let me tell you this: God gives out free will except to the mentally ill. When your brain is locked up he takes it back. So there is no matter of choice here. She did not choose to attack those cops of her own free will. I hope you will start to understand that one day soon.


So you can infer that I believe things that I don't say but if someone infers that you believe something you don't say they are being unreasonable.
That sounds as if you think you play by one set of rules and anyone you don't agree with plays by a different set. Note you can't complain because I
didn't claim that, you just live it.

She is still dead because she pulled a knife on them.

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RE: LIFELESS IN SEATTLE - 9/4/2017 11:20:49 AM   
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So you can infer that I believe things that I don't say but if someone infers that you believe something you don't say they are being unreasonable.

Well no, I don’t believe I said that or implied it anywhere. If you don’t agree with me you don’t agree, that’s all. We are not writing directions on how to get from one point to another; we are exchanging ideas, which is a creative craft. There are bound to be some implications in the writing and some inferences in the reading. I really don’t understand why that should up set you. I was only making the point that a severely mentally ill person does not have agency, they are no longer responsible for their actions, they are less responsible than children are for their actions. In this case the police had notice that they were dealing with a mentally ill person. Therefore, they had a duty to exercise extreme caution. They failed that duty. Your comments that it doesn’t pay to bring a knife to a gunfight or that she pulled a knife on them and that’s why she died all fall short of addressing the situation adequately either from a legal point of view or from a humanistic point of view. Now you may not agree with me and that is okay. We do not agree. I don’t see the point of wasting any more time on this. And I’m certainly not going to get into bitch slapping bickering about creative English writing, so that’s the end of it for me. I have no more patience for you. Ciao.

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RE: LIFELESS IN SEATTLE - 9/4/2017 11:34:29 AM   
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So you can infer that I believe things that I don't say but if someone infers that you believe something you don't say they are being unreasonable.

Well no, I don’t believe I said that or implied it anywhere. If you don’t agree with me you don’t agree, that’s all. We are not writing directions on how to get from one point to another; we are exchanging ideas, which is a creative craft. There are bound to be some implications in the writing and some inferences in the reading. I really don’t understand why that should up set you. I was only making the point that a severely mentally ill person does not have agency, they are no longer responsible for their actions, they are less responsible than children are for their actions. In this case the police had notice that they were dealing with a mentally ill person. Therefore, they had a duty to exercise extreme caution. They failed that duty. Your comments that it doesn’t pay to bring a knife to a gunfight or that she pulled a knife on them and that’s why she died all fall short of addressing the situation adequately either from a legal point of view or from a humanistic point of view. Now you may not agree with me and that is okay. We do not agree. I don’t see the point of wasting any more time on this. And I’m certainly not going to get into bitch slapping bickering about creative English writing, so that’s the end of it for me. I have no more patience for you. Ciao.

Yes you have, maybe you are trying to be civil now so you want to deny claiming that I am a racist, brought up in the racist south when I was raised in the Midwest
and I am sure my black wife would disagree with that.
We disagree, your positions do not fit together and I point it out. But you do feel free to make claims that
are unsupported such as my supposed lack of compassion for the mentally ill. I think they need a lot more help
but crazy or sane if the pull a weapon on you that is the primary concern.

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