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BoscoX -> RE: Trump cuts a debt ceiling deal with Democrats (9/7/2017 6:30:03 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Aylee Okay. . . since Trump is LITERALLY Hitler and the Dems made a deal with them, does this make the Dems Nazis? Yep. Nailed it. "Liberals" work hand-in-hand with Nazis. March shoulder-to-shoulder with Nazis, the KKK, White Supremacists and Russian robots

Charles6682 -> RE: Trump cuts a debt ceiling deal with Democrats (9/7/2017 6:39:32 PM)
I think its good Trump is finally working with Democrats

Lucylastic -> RE: Trump cuts a debt ceiling deal with Democrats (9/7/2017 7:00:39 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Aylee quote: ORIGINAL: MasterJaguar01 ok.... This cracks me up... On sooo mney levels... http://www.politico.com/story/2017/09/06/hill-trump-relations-242411 1. The whole idea of a debt ceiling is absolutely laughably ridiculous. if you don't understand why, then you don't really understand how the debt ceiling works. 2. A 3 month deal around this inane law, is equally ridiculous. It shows that Democrats can abuse this stupid law for political gain as much as Republicans do. (I AM, however, we got funding for Harvey relief) 3. The fact that Trump pissed off pretty much every Republican member of both houses made me snarf my cranberry juice. I LOVE this quote from Paul Ryan: *“I think that’s ridiculous and disgraceful that they want to play politics with the debt ceiling at this moment when we have fellow citizens in need to respond to these hurricanes"* This guy has done nothing BUT play politics with the debt ceiling at every moment he could with a Democrat in the White House. That is the whole problem with concept of a debt ceiling, the ONLY thing it accomplishes is creating an opportunity for the party NOT in the White House to put our economy at risk in order to achieve political gain. Okay. . . since Trump is LITERALLY Hitler and the Dems made a deal with them, does this make the Dems Nazis? are you admitting? you ARE a nazi too? somehow I doubt that.

MasterJaguar01 -> RE: Trump cuts a debt ceiling deal with Democrats (9/7/2017 7:41:32 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: BoscoX quote: ORIGINAL: Aylee Okay. . . since Trump is LITERALLY Hitler and the Dems made a deal with them, does this make the Dems Nazis? Yep. Nailed it. "Liberals" work hand-in-hand with Nazis. March shoulder-to-shoulder with Nazis, the KKK, White Supremacists and Russian robots They certainly used to! The KKK came to power in the mainstream in the 1920's being allied with Democrats. Interesting thing is, the vast majority of the descendants of those Democrats are Republicans today. Russian Robots seem to be more of a Trump/Bannon thing.

Aylee -> RE: Trump cuts a debt ceiling deal with Democrats (9/7/2017 7:46:01 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Lucylastic quote: ORIGINAL: Aylee quote: ORIGINAL: MasterJaguar01 ok.... This cracks me up... On sooo mney levels... http://www.politico.com/story/2017/09/06/hill-trump-relations-242411 1. The whole idea of a debt ceiling is absolutely laughably ridiculous. if you don't understand why, then you don't really understand how the debt ceiling works. 2. A 3 month deal around this inane law, is equally ridiculous. It shows that Democrats can abuse this stupid law for political gain as much as Republicans do. (I AM, however, we got funding for Harvey relief) 3. The fact that Trump pissed off pretty much every Republican member of both houses made me snarf my cranberry juice. I LOVE this quote from Paul Ryan: *“I think that’s ridiculous and disgraceful that they want to play politics with the debt ceiling at this moment when we have fellow citizens in need to respond to these hurricanes"* This guy has done nothing BUT play politics with the debt ceiling at every moment he could with a Democrat in the White House. That is the whole problem with concept of a debt ceiling, the ONLY thing it accomplishes is creating an opportunity for the party NOT in the White House to put our economy at risk in order to achieve political gain. Okay. . . since Trump is LITERALLY Hitler and the Dems made a deal with them, does this make the Dems Nazis? are you admitting? you ARE a nazi too? somehow I doubt that. My kids think I am when I make them clean their rooms.

Marini -> RE: Trump cuts a debt ceiling deal with Democrats (9/7/2017 7:48:59 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Real0ne quote: ORIGINAL: kdsub quote: ORIGINAL: BoscoX quote: ORIGINAL: Real0ne what a traitor to the republican church Funny but... The Republicans are the traitors to conservative values. President Trump is a product of the resentment that has created Ok but couldn't you folks come up with someone that is honest, sincere , and sane? [img]http://www.azquotes.com/picture-quotes/quote-if-honesty-were-suddenly-introduced-into-american-life-the-whole-system-would-collapse-george-carlin-75-94-21.jpg[/img] no one ever became president based on honesty, the standard is absurd, just look at your hillary, the tough part was trying to find something she said that was true [sm=agree.gif] This is one time I agree with you. The only thing closest to dishonest Republicans, are dishonest Democrats! lol There is close to zero honesty in politics these days. I mean seriously, at some point you have to laugh or cry. I prefer to laugh when possible. Where is this world going? And why is the world in a hand basket?

BoscoX -> RE: Trump cuts a debt ceiling deal with Democrats (9/7/2017 8:19:05 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Aylee quote: ORIGINAL: Lucylastic quote: ORIGINAL: Aylee quote: ORIGINAL: MasterJaguar01 ok.... This cracks me up... On sooo mney levels... http://www.politico.com/story/2017/09/06/hill-trump-relations-242411 1. The whole idea of a debt ceiling is absolutely laughably ridiculous. if you don't understand why, then you don't really understand how the debt ceiling works. 2. A 3 month deal around this inane law, is equally ridiculous. It shows that Democrats can abuse this stupid law for political gain as much as Republicans do. (I AM, however, we got funding for Harvey relief) 3. The fact that Trump pissed off pretty much every Republican member of both houses made me snarf my cranberry juice. I LOVE this quote from Paul Ryan: *“I think that’s ridiculous and disgraceful that they want to play politics with the debt ceiling at this moment when we have fellow citizens in need to respond to these hurricanes"* This guy has done nothing BUT play politics with the debt ceiling at every moment he could with a Democrat in the White House. That is the whole problem with concept of a debt ceiling, the ONLY thing it accomplishes is creating an opportunity for the party NOT in the White House to put our economy at risk in order to achieve political gain. Okay. . . since Trump is LITERALLY Hitler and the Dems made a deal with them, does this make the Dems Nazis? are you admitting? you ARE a nazi too? somehow I doubt that. My kids think I am when I make them clean their rooms. In many ways that explains the leftist reaction to president Trump's electoral victory

heavyblinker -> RE: Trump cuts a debt ceiling deal with Democrats (9/7/2017 9:34:41 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Aylee Okay. . . since Trump is LITERALLY Hitler and the Dems made a deal with them, does this make the Dems Nazis? Trump is a fascist, but he's too weak and stupid to be Hitler. Did Stalin making a deal with the Nazis make him a Nazi? I get you're anxious to make fun of libruls but if you actually used your head you wouldn't look so stupid.

Real0ne -> RE: Trump cuts a debt ceiling deal with Democrats (9/7/2017 9:44:23 PM)
make up your mind fascist or national socialist? He is certainly not a fascist, the US is already fascist Fascism is a term that was originally referred to the fascists of Italy under Mussolini. Nazism on the other hand, referred as National Socialism, is in an ideological concept of the Nazi Party or the National Socialist German Workers’ Party of Adolf Hitler. Fascism believes in the ‘corporatism’ of all elements in society to form an ‘Organic State’. They were not racial and had no strong opinion of any race. For Fascists, the state was the most important element. Hey how about that, thats you! The Doctrine of Fascism, which is the authoritative document of the fascism, emphasis on nationalism, corporatism, totalitarianism and militarism. According to this Doctrine the State is all embracing and no human or spiritual value exists beyond it. The US is already facist, cant protect our kids from being blasted by rambo fucking cops, no privacy, no freedom of speech no right to bear arms without get shot by police for bearing arms. you live in a dream world in your imagination seems you have no fucking clue what you are talking about, as usual how about you tell us how trump is a facist, list every fascist thing he has done, I am not convinced.

MasterJaguar01 -> RE: Trump cuts a debt ceiling deal with Democrats (9/8/2017 6:51:32 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Real0ne make up your mind fascist or national socialist? He is certainly not a fascist, the US is already fascist Fascism is a term that was originally referred to the fascists of Italy under Mussolini. Nazism on the other hand, referred as National Socialism, is in an ideological concept of the Nazi Party or the National Socialist German Workers’ Party of Adolf Hitler. Fascism believes in the ‘corporatism’ of all elements in society to form an ‘Organic State’. They were not racial and had no strong opinion of any race. For Fascists, the state was the most important element. Hey how about that, thats you! The Doctrine of Fascism, which is the authoritative document of the fascism, emphasis on nationalism, corporatism, totalitarianism and militarism. According to this Doctrine the State is all embracing and no human or spiritual value exists beyond it. The US is already facist, cant protect our kids from being blasted by rambo fucking cops, no privacy, no freedom of speech no right to bear arms without get shot by police for bearing arms. you live in a dream world in your imagination seems you have no fucking clue what you are talking about, as usual how about you tell us how trump is a facist, list every fascist thing he has done, I am not convinced. Sorry... I call Bullshit. First of all, This is part of a right-wing meme trying to paint Hitler as a left-wing socialist, just because the word "Socialist" is part of the word "Nazi". And there IS SOME truth that the Hitler and the Nazis in Germany were PARTIALLY Socialist. A great example, would be the creation of Volkswagen (literally "People's Car"). (Sounds like the USSR.) A government owned car manufacturer with one very basic model, which was extremely inexpensive, that you had to pick up at a government factory. However, on a broader scale, the Nazis were PURE Corporatists, allying with key German and American corporations (remember Prescott Bush?) for profit. Secondly, this notion that fascists were/are not racial is completely made up nonsense. There is no incompatibility between fascism and racism whatsoever. From the definition of Fascism: a political philosophy, movement, or regime (such as that of the Fascisti) that exalts nation and often race above the individual and that stands for a centralized autocratic government headed by a dictatorial leader, severe economic and social regimentation, and forcible suppression of opposition.

Greta75 -> RE: Trump cuts a debt ceiling deal with Democrats (9/8/2017 7:23:16 AM)
FR I totally expected Trump to work with the Dems eventually, after he tried what the "Republican wants" and gave it a go and played hard ball and it didn't work. They couldn't get Obama Care repealed. This is the President people voted for. One who will do what is best for the country and not what is best for his party. Good on Trump! But he gave Republicans way a fair go first few months already. Now he needs to try different things.

heavyblinker -> RE: Trump cuts a debt ceiling deal with Democrats (9/8/2017 7:40:41 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Real0ne make up your mind fascist or national socialist? He is certainly not a fascist, the US is already fascist Fascism is a term that was originally referred to the fascists of Italy under Mussolini. Nazism on the other hand, referred as National Socialism, is in an ideological concept of the Nazi Party or the National Socialist German Workers’ Party of Adolf Hitler. Fascism believes in the ‘corporatism’ of all elements in society to form an ‘Organic State’. They were not racial and had no strong opinion of any race. For Fascists, the state was the most important element. Hey how about that, thats you! The Doctrine of Fascism, which is the authoritative document of the fascism, emphasis on nationalism, corporatism, totalitarianism and militarism. According to this Doctrine the State is all embracing and no human or spiritual value exists beyond it. The US is already facist, cant protect our kids from being blasted by rambo fucking cops, no privacy, no freedom of speech no right to bear arms without get shot by police for bearing arms. you live in a dream world in your imagination seems you have no fucking clue what you are talking about, as usual how about you tell us how trump is a facist, list every fascist thing he has done, I am not convinced. You are just so so painfully fucking dumb. The idea that fascism is not much more than a strong state is retarded. Seriously-- really painfully stupid. The RWNJs play that up because they have this idea that Democrats are pro-social programs while the GOP has cut them... and the right wingers don't want to be lumped in with the fascists. But the VALUES of a state determine whether it is barbaric or civilized, not the SIZE or STRENGTH. Trump is the one who just gave the cops the chance to beef up their arsenals-- Obama was the one who tried to regulate it. https://www.rt.com/usa/401164-trump-police-military-weapons/ If fascism is left-wing, then why did Mussolini say this?: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fascism quote: In 1919 Benito Mussolini described fascism as a movement that would strike "against the backwardness of the right and the destructiveness of the left". Fascism is nationalistic. Obama was possibly the LEAST nationalistic president EVER... the American left largely considers patriotism and nationalism beneath them, and it's a good thing. Nationalism more often than not contains at least some traces of racism-- how could it not? The idea that a nation is purer, inherently better than the rest... quote: A major element of fascist ideology that has been deemed to be far-right is its stated goal to promote the right of a supposedly superior people to dominate, while purging society of supposedly inferior elements. quote: Robert Paxton says that fascism is "a form of political behavior marked by obsessive preoccupation with community decline, humiliation, or victimhood and by compensatory cults of unity, energy, and purity, in which a mass-based party of committed nationalist militants, working in uneasy but effective collaboration with traditional elites, abandons democratic liberties and pursues with redemptive violence and without ethical or legal restraints goals of internal cleansing and external expansion."[34] That's Trump's crusade against Muslims and Mexicans in a nutshell, his appeal among the racist alt-right. And his Muslim ban proves it. Trump is certainly a fascist... he just doesn't have the support of congress, largely because most of congress recognizes what he is. He has repeatedly promised his drooling fanbase an authoritarian state that is protectionist (higher tariffs, stop all trade), openly celebrates torture (bring back waterboarding), terrorism (bullets dipped in pig's blood), unchecked imperialism (steal all the oil) and anti-intellectualism... it is also dominated exclusively by white Europeans and their culture. He is a fascist, and you are a fucking moron. I have already spent wayyy too much time indulging you and I regret every second of it.

WhoreMods -> RE: Trump cuts a debt ceiling deal with Democrats (9/8/2017 8:37:53 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: MasterJaguar01 quote: ORIGINAL: Real0ne make up your mind fascist or national socialist? He is certainly not a fascist, the US is already fascist Fascism is a term that was originally referred to the fascists of Italy under Mussolini. Nazism on the other hand, referred as National Socialism, is in an ideological concept of the Nazi Party or the National Socialist German Workers’ Party of Adolf Hitler. Fascism believes in the ‘corporatism’ of all elements in society to form an ‘Organic State’. They were not racial and had no strong opinion of any race. For Fascists, the state was the most important element. Hey how about that, thats you! The Doctrine of Fascism, which is the authoritative document of the fascism, emphasis on nationalism, corporatism, totalitarianism and militarism. According to this Doctrine the State is all embracing and no human or spiritual value exists beyond it. The US is already facist, cant protect our kids from being blasted by rambo fucking cops, no privacy, no freedom of speech no right to bear arms without get shot by police for bearing arms. you live in a dream world in your imagination seems you have no fucking clue what you are talking about, as usual how about you tell us how trump is a facist, list every fascist thing he has done, I am not convinced. Sorry... I call Bullshit. First of all, This is part of a right-wing meme trying to paint Hitler as a left-wing socialist, just because the word "Socialist" is part of the word "Nazi". And there IS SOME truth that the Hitler and the Nazis in Germany were PARTIALLY Socialist. A great example, would be the creation of Volkswagen (literally "People's Car"). (Sounds like the USSR.) A government owned car manufacturer with one very basic model, which was extremely inexpensive, that you had to pick up at a government factory. However, on a broader scale, the Nazis were PURE Corporatists, allying with key German and American corporations (remember Prescott Bush?) for profit. Secondly, this notion that fascists were/are not racial is completely made up nonsense. There is no incompatibility between fascism and racism whatsoever. From the definition of Fascism: a political philosophy, movement, or regime (such as that of the Fascisti) that exalts nation and often race above the individual and that stands for a centralized autocratic government headed by a dictatorial leader, severe economic and social regimentation, and forcible suppression of opposition. It's also worth bearing in mind that every interview Hitler ever did he whined a lot about the terrible threat posed by socialism to both German and international society. There's a fair bit about that in Mein Kampf as well.

GeekiusChardonay -> RE: Trump cuts a debt ceiling deal with Democrats (9/8/2017 8:49:48 AM)
Can someone explain what the debt ceiling is and why it matters? I thought it was nice he jumped into bed with the Democrats. This was all about releasing funds for disaster relief, yet some of the GOP republican colleagues voted against it? So, if he didn’t jump into bed with the Dems would that mean no disaster relief funds would have been released?

DesideriScuri -> RE: Trump cuts a debt ceiling deal with Democrats (9/8/2017 11:13:50 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: GeekiusChardonay Can someone explain what the debt ceiling is and why it matters? I thought it was nice he jumped into bed with the Democrats. This was all about releasing funds for disaster relief, yet some of the GOP republican colleagues voted against it? So, if he didn’t jump into bed with the Dems would that mean no disaster relief funds would have been released? The debt ceiling is supposed to be a hard limit on how much debt the US government can have. In reality, it's ineffective and Congress tends to increase the limit when US debt bumps up against it. There are times when passage is not smooth, but, in the end, Congress raises the debt ceiling so we can continue to borrow our way to financial stability (or ruin, the jury is still out).

WhoreMods -> RE: Trump cuts a debt ceiling deal with Democrats (9/8/2017 11:16:07 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri The debt ceiling is supposed to be a hard limit on how much debt the US government can have. In reality, it's ineffective and Congress tends to increase the limit when there's a republican in the white house. There are times when passage is not smooth, but, in the end, Congress raises the debt ceiling so we can continue to borrow our way to financial stability (or ruin, the jury is still out). FIFY. [;)]

DesideriScuri -> RE: Trump cuts a debt ceiling deal with Democrats (9/8/2017 11:22:02 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: WhoreMods quote: ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri The debt ceiling is supposed to be a hard limit on how much debt the US government can have. In reality, it's ineffective and Congress tends to increase the limit when there's a republican in the white house. There are times when passage is not smooth, but, in the end, Congress raises the debt ceiling so we can continue to borrow our way to financial stability (or ruin, the jury is still out). FIFY. [;)] The debt ceiling wasn't raised during President Obama's 8 years? Really? [image]http://www.pewresearch.org/files/2013/09/budget-ceiling.png[/image]

WhoreMods -> RE: Trump cuts a debt ceiling deal with Democrats (9/8/2017 11:29:16 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri quote: ORIGINAL: WhoreMods quote: ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri The debt ceiling is supposed to be a hard limit on how much debt the US government can have. In reality, it's ineffective and Congress tends to increase the limit when there's a republican in the white house. There are times when passage is not smooth, but, in the end, Congress raises the debt ceiling so we can continue to borrow our way to financial stability (or ruin, the jury is still out). FIFY. [;)] The debt ceiling wasn't raised during President Obama's 8 years? Really? [image]http://www.pewresearch.org/files/2013/09/budget-ceiling.png[/image] No, but it wouldn't have been raised half as much if a republican dominated congress hadn't shut down the government every time he tried to raise taxes. [;)]

GeekiusChardonay -> RE: Trump cuts a debt ceiling deal with Democrats (9/8/2017 2:10:57 PM)
Why does it matter and why does this happen all the time? Let us overlook such trifling matters such as he promised to pay it off (obviously with not a dime of his own tax money for he pays none, none at all) by his first term, or was it his first jail term? America may have defaulted on its conscious and humanity a long time ago but it will never happen with the almighty dollar of worthlessness. Heh he boarded his swanky hotel up did you see that? The UK has no debt ceiling so why does America?

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