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RE: Electronic privacy...in 4 weeks SCOTUS starts - 9/7/2017 9:48:23 AM   
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Ok, kinkroids here's the issue here for me and why I brought it up.

I want a very robust search warrant system where all the FBI had to do was inform the court that with what (likely a lot) was very probable cause to make their case for 'breaking' into his phone.

I've seen otherwise average law biding people have something searched and been convicted with it called an 'administrative' search. New name (Orwellian) for warrantless searches.

People, politicians and other critics, often bring up something called a 'slippery slope' to this or that. These extra-constitutional proceedings are a big time slippery slope to gradually seeing over time, the evisceration of our bill of rights.

This decision will either keep us protected for a few more years or it will having us surely a 'slipping' further down that slope...to fascism.

Note:.....the Emancipation Proclamation had no force of law. Even historians and accredited legal officers at the time and dozens since then, knew it meant little or nothing but had to be backed up by what ? The union army. [It] was going to show the rebellious states...who was in charge now and that you will 'never get your slaves back.'



as I said recently, the gubmint uses "third parties" to circumvent your rights to accomplish their agenda, which top priority is iron fisted control.

NSA's prism allows them to warrantlessly monitor you by associating with people outside the US, what do we have here but an army of fucking brits constantly attacking our constitution with bullshit.

Anyone can set themselves up outside the US and communicate with whoever they want, triggering monitoring.

None of this should have ever came into existence in the first place but we no longer have a congress or courts we have overlords that are above the law.


In Carpenter, the government is expected to rely upon the Stored Communications Act and Smith v. Maryland to support its position that obtaining the service provider’s location information should not require a warrant because the information only reveals a cell phone’s routing data rather than the contents of communications on the cell phone. The attorneys for Carpenter are expected to rely on the Fourth Amendment and Riley v. California to argue that cell phones have become intertwined into the lives of American citizens and the vast data contained within a person’s phone potentially holds the sum of the individual’s private life, so the routing data contains much more than the “information necessary to get communications from point A to point B”.[10]

These are personal effects being held by third party companies that wont hesitate to turn over everything they have, further more that information can and is used for tracking, so these asswipes go into court and pretend there is nothing more to is than cell connections, while shoving the red white and blue dick up everyones assholes.


EFFECT, v. To do; to produce; to make; to
bring to pass; to execute; enforce; accomplish.

Personal effects is a reference to everyday items of personal use, usually referred to in the disposition of belongings in a will. It includes clothes, cosmetics and items of adornment. Personal effects can include such things as jewelry, appliances, tools, furniture, clothing, china, silver, coin collections, works of art, and the like.

effect
1a : purport, intentb : basic meaning : essence
2 : something that inevitably follows an antecedent (such as a cause or agent)
3 : an outward sign : appearance
4 : accomplishment, fulfillment
5 : power to bring about a result : influence the content itself of television … is therefore less important than its effect — Current Biography
6 effects plural : movable property : goods personal effects
7a : a distinctive impression the color gives the effect of being warmb : the creation of a desired impression her tears were purely for effectc (1) : something designed to produce a distinctive or desired impression —usually used in plural (2) effects plural : special effects
8 : the quality or state of being operative : operation the law goes into effect next week

In the case of the constitution in addtion to things, this is the one that applies:
2 : something that inevitably follows an antecedent (such as a cause or agent)


Bravo Jane Branstetter Stranch


Judge Jane Branstetter Stranch dissented from the majority’s conclusion that the collection of the service provider’s business records did not constitute a search. In her dissent, Judge Stranch states, “this case involves tracking physical location through cell towers and a personal phone, a device routinely carried on the individual's person; it also involves the compelled provision of records that reflect such tracking. In light of the personal tracking concerns articulated in our precedent, I am not convinced that the situation before us can be addressed appropriately with a test primarily used to obtain business records such as credit card purchases — records that do not necessarily reflect personal location. And it seems to me that the business records test is ill suited to address the issues regarding personal location that are before us.”[16]


Her above complaint regards business as fucking usual swamp, they create or use improperly framed tests and frame them as 'reasonable' then a plethora of unconstitutional regulation results, with third parties gladly turning over your data because why would they give a shit in the first place, its your problem not theirs. So simple to undermine the fucking system and no one is the wiser because they cant see that big fucking elephant sitting on their heads.

and this is only the tip of the iceburg peeps you have no idea how deep that river flows, right to your next door neighbor.

rest assured when this is done da gubmint will insure it retains its ability to spy on people conficate their data and continue violating the constitutiopn, after all they already passed an unconstitutional act, and btw fascism isnt coming to america its in the home stretch

You dont and never will see any 'we the people' in any of these decisions because we only have the priviledge to BEG the disconnected court overlords.


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RE: Electronic privacy...in 4 weeks SCOTUS starts - 9/7/2017 10:16:25 AM   
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Here is another one, the fucking toll boths have cameras set up to photo every license plate that comes through. They are quasiprivate which means a bastardized middleground between private and public, hence they can use government powers despite they are not government, fascism is coming? Its here in your face.

Then how about cams being set up to spy on people literally every where and by gubmint? Like I said we are a british colony, what asswipe britain does we follow within 20 years, even thie asswipe turnabouts are here, how british of us.

Toll booths in addition to recording all licsense plates are set up so they look directly into your fucking car with IR cams.

Its doesnt matter what scrotum decides, the knife has been through the heart for so long theres no more blood anyway, and people are none the wiser, they are too busy with the cheerleader flags playing party politics to be concerned with their rights.

I can go on for pages giving examples how they have stolen your fucking rights.



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RE: Electronic privacy...in 4 weeks SCOTUS starts - 9/7/2017 10:25:49 AM   
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I just hate to see blame mis-credited.

It isn't. The case is before the Supreme Court because the Trump administration ir pushing it, therefore it is the Trump administration's baby.

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RE: Electronic privacy...in 4 weeks SCOTUS starts - 9/7/2017 10:28:09 AM   
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a 4:30 AM paper route is beyond me

Uphill in the snow both ways?

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RE: Electronic privacy...in 4 weeks SCOTUS starts - 9/7/2017 10:30:24 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Edwird

I did say that the OP and one of the respondents were full of horse manure for blaming intrusion of privacy strictly on the government, for those paying attention.



since this is about constituional issues that apply to matters between gubmint and people then by all means use your glowing brilliance to enlighten us, who else is constitutionally restricted from infringing on our privacy?




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RE: Electronic privacy...in 4 weeks SCOTUS starts - 9/7/2017 10:32:26 AM   
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I just hate to see blame mis-credited.

It isn't. The case is before the Supreme Court because the Trump administration ir pushing it, therefore it is the Trump administration's baby.



its not trumps case how can he push it?

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RE: Electronic privacy...in 4 weeks SCOTUS starts - 9/7/2017 10:37:27 AM   
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Just read the fucking article idiot

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RE: Electronic privacy...in 4 weeks SCOTUS starts - 9/7/2017 10:40:03 AM   
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"The Trump administration strongly urged the Supreme Court not to hear this case."

thats pushing for it huh?
Brilliant


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RE: Electronic privacy...in 4 weeks SCOTUS starts - 9/7/2017 11:09:05 AM   
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Yes, see if they don't hear the case, then the warrentless searches continue.

smh

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RE: Electronic privacy...in 4 weeks SCOTUS starts - 9/7/2017 11:36:48 AM   
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ORIGINAL: ThatDizzyChick

Yes, see if they don't hear the case, then the warrentless searches continue.

smh



ok great, so then trump is not pushing it but pushing against it, thanks for clarifying that point. smd



actually since we have the 2 religion gubmint trump has no choice but to support his church, which is probably why his counter brief stated such a lame postition that the courts would be and most likely will be complete assholes to use.


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RE: Electronic privacy...in 4 weeks SCOTUS starts - 9/7/2017 3:09:22 PM   
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I did say that the OP and one of the respondents were full of horse manure for blaming intrusion of privacy strictly on the government, for those paying attention.


since this is about constituional issues that apply to matters between gubmint and people then by all means use your glowing brilliance to enlighten us, who else is constitutionally restricted from infringing on our privacy?


Nobody, which is the point, jackass.

So you're all on board with the invasion of privacy thing, then? As long as done by the right people, of course.

So then all on board with predation of society in general, as long as done by the right people.

We must ensure that the corporations are not restricted from their prey, no? Now I understand your vehemence against government interference.

Read my first post in this thread, twit.


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RE: Electronic privacy...in 4 weeks SCOTUS starts - 9/7/2017 3:15:56 PM   
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a 4:30 AM paper route is beyond me

Uphill in the snow both ways?


It actually snowed in two of my several years delivering newspapers.

But heat rises, so most of the time precipitation was in the form of rain even at 30 degrees on the ground. Good fun.

I was 13-16 at the time, so who gives a shit. I sure didn't. I was having a blast, actually. Just saying it wasn't easy to stay awake in the first class after all that.


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RE: Electronic privacy...in 4 weeks SCOTUS starts - 9/7/2017 3:42:11 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Edwird

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ORIGINAL: Real0ne

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ORIGINAL: Edwird
I did say that the OP and one of the respondents were full of horse manure for blaming intrusion of privacy strictly on the government, for those paying attention.


since this is about constituional issues that apply to matters between gubmint and people then by all means use your glowing brilliance to enlighten us, who else is constitutionally restricted from infringing on our privacy?


So you're all on board with the invasion of privacy thing, then? As long as done by the right people, of course.

So then all on board with predation of society in general, as long as done by the right people.

We must ensure that the corporations are not restricted from their prey, no?

Read my first post in this thread, twit.




Have you now completely lost your mind, comprehension just a big word in the dictionary to you?
I responded to this post, you read it.




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RE: Electronic privacy...in 4 weeks SCOTUS starts - 9/7/2017 3:55:11 PM   
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Your response to anything is like a blast of whatever they outlawed after WW I.

You can't even spell the word 'government' right, as still using the kindergarten pronunciation for that in your posts.

Come back to us when you've passed third grade.

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RE: Electronic privacy...in 4 weeks SCOTUS starts - 9/7/2017 4:13:48 PM   
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Your response to anything is like a blast of whatever they outlawed after WW I.

You can't even spell the word 'government' right, as still using the kindergarten pronunciation for that in your posts.

Come back to us when you've passed third grade.



There are several ways to spell it such as gubmint, gubafia, gubblemint, daMOBcracy and a few more.

Let me know when you have developed and advanced to the comprehension skills of an amoeba and then try again, any 1st grader would have understood.





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RE: Electronic privacy...in 4 weeks SCOTUS starts - 9/7/2017 4:21:03 PM   
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"any 1st grader would have understood."

Well there you go. First graders understand the term "poopy pants" too.

Any more straw-in-mouth wisdom?

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RE: Electronic privacy...in 4 weeks SCOTUS starts - 9/7/2017 4:26:40 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Edwird

"any 1st grader would have understood."

Well there you go.

Any more straw-in-mouth wisdom?



so you were in agreement after all, who helped you figure it out? I presume you are finished


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RE: Electronic privacy...in 4 weeks SCOTUS starts - 9/7/2017 4:29:44 PM   
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First graders understand the term "poopy pants" too, so yes, you have explained yourself well enough.

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RE: Electronic privacy...in 4 weeks SCOTUS starts - 9/7/2017 4:38:01 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Edwird

First graders understand the term "poopy pants" too, so yes, you have explained yourself well enough.



Ok stop complaining, I can raise it from amoeba to first grader for you, but thats it.


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RE: Electronic privacy...in 4 weeks SCOTUS starts - 9/7/2017 5:03:39 PM   
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Most first graders can pronounce it right, but you can't.

What does that tell us?

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