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RE: What is the world coming to under Trump - 9/11/2017 11:36:22 AM   
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So....Reagan said "Mr. Gorbachev, tear down this wall," and the Soviet got right to it.

Reality -- we spent each other into debt over Star Wars.

Yes, not Carter as the revisionist really believes in his head. Just another of his conspiracies. Of course the peace dividend could have paid off our debt if it wasn't frittered away.

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RE: What is the world coming to under Trump - 9/11/2017 11:40:38 AM   
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I think you both believe in fairies.

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RE: What is the world coming to under Trump - 9/11/2017 11:43:32 AM   
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I think you both believe in fairies.

You're so smart.

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RE: What is the world coming to under Trump - 9/11/2017 11:44:04 AM   
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First a Republican president does a deal with Democrats. No link, you've all seen it.

Now:

http://m.jpost.com/Arab-Israeli-Conflict/Did-the-Saudi-Crown-Prince-make-a-covert-visit-to-Israel-504777

Arab leaders visiting Israel.


But... Didn't Jimmy Carter bring peace to the Middle East??? They all said... !

Now President TRUMP is doing it instead???

You're comparing el presidente to Carter?
I thought that was a terminal insult* in republican circles...
*(an insult so insulting that if you say it to somebody, one of you is going to die)

Carter was an awesome human being but leader, not so much.
I daresay that he couldn't lead pissants to a picnic.

I don't think he could lead ants to a picnic, but I think he would make a good neighbor.

We're agreed on that

Carter and then Gorbachev ended the cold war. Just because the propaganda has it that Reagan-speak turned it around, tell me when the Soviets did anything because they were told to or because of words.

Revisionist history is strong in this one.

Well you are going to need much more than that. What did Reagan do ? Nothing but talk. When Reagan told Gorby no at Iceland which was in fact reversed when Gorbachev balked at what was going to be SDI. Still, it was hailed as if it was the fucking second coming. You know, that liberal media was all flowers and praise simply for saying no to what...dropping SDI at a Salt II negotiation.

The real history:

The Reagan proposals for broad reductions in nuclear arms reflected an effort by Reagan Administration officials to deflect the criticism directed at them by antinuclear activists for continuing the arms race. By proposing reductions that the Soviets were sure to resist, the Reagan Administration could blame the ongoing arms race on the Soviet Union and justify continued U.S. development of strategic weapons. At the same time, however, this approach to arms control led Moscow to abandon talks in 1983.

After Mikhail Gorbachev took power in the Soviet Union in 1985, the two countries resumed arms control discussions. At a summit meeting in Reykjavik in 1986, Reagan once again proposed a fifty percent reduction in long range strategic weapons. At this point, Gorbachev was far more inclined to consider the proposal and act upon it, because economic problems in the Soviet Union made ending, or at least curtailing, the expensive nuclear arms race a necessity.

What prevented a deal at this juncture was not the ambitious nature of the proposal, but the ongoing U.S. research into a missile defense system under President Reagan's Strategic Defense Initiative. The Soviets argued that under the1972 Antiballistic Missile Treaty developing a missile defense system was illegal, and they demanded that the United States halt research on the project before any agreement be reached on long-range strategic weapons reductions.

A 1987 agreement between the United States and the Soviet Union provided a way around this impasse by calling for fifty percent reductions in long-range strategic weapons and a new treaty to reconfirm a mutual commitment to the ABM Treaty. Although this agreement appeared to have solved the problem, the treaty was not completed before the end of the Reagan Administration.

Tell me just why it was important to include intermediate range nukes in Salt II ?

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RE: What is the world coming to under Trump - 9/11/2017 11:59:08 AM   
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First a Republican president does a deal with Democrats. No link, you've all seen it.

Now:

http://m.jpost.com/Arab-Israeli-Conflict/Did-the-Saudi-Crown-Prince-make-a-covert-visit-to-Israel-504777

Arab leaders visiting Israel.


But... Didn't Jimmy Carter bring peace to the Middle East??? They all said... !

Now President TRUMP is doing it instead???

You're comparing el presidente to Carter?
I thought that was a terminal insult* in republican circles...
*(an insult so insulting that if you say it to somebody, one of you is going to die)

Carter was an awesome human being but leader, not so much.
I daresay that he couldn't lead pissants to a picnic.

I certainly admire the stuff he's done since 1980 a lot more than his presidential career, but that doesn't alter the fact that he made an attempt to drain the swamp (all of which Reagan did away the second he got into the white house), suggested that an economic dependency on Arab oil wasn't a good thing (the oil crisis was already going when he said that, of course, but unlike his predecessor he didn't spend his term in office denying it was causing problems), took a hand in the D of E, and made a point of establishing financial disclosure rules on his donors . However big a fuck up of the hostage mess he made (and that was, if we're honest, as much the CIA making a point of fucking him up as incompetence on Carter's part), he certainly wasn't anything like the catastrophe he gets painted as, and if anybody can name anything an American president has done in the middle east that has proven more beneficial than the Camp David accord syrup boy is mocking since then, I haven't heard about it.

Remember Iran, Desert one, and his helping the terrorists take over Iran. Far outweighs Camp David.

How did he help the jihadists take over Iran?
Something like Khomeni became inevitable as soon as Truman deposed Mossadeq and put the shah back in power. How was he Carter's fault? Show your working out.

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RE: What is the world coming to under Trump - 9/11/2017 12:06:46 PM   
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So....Reagan said "Mr. Gorbachev, tear down this wall," and the Soviet got right to it.

Reality -- we spent each other into debt over Star Wars.

Yes, not Carter as the revisionist really believes in his head. Just another of his conspiracies. Of course the peace dividend could have paid off our debt if it wasn't frittered away.

Far too easy to just throw this out here. How about some cold war facts to back it up ?

By the time RR made that speech, people were already leaving E. Germany, and Hungarians and Czech. all via rail from Hungary. By the time the wall did come down, it was nothing that Reagan did and just made the exodus just that much easier, at least for east Germans.

And according to a British study, the cold war provided $2 trillion out of $7-$9 trillion spent on the cold war from 1949 to 1989...in profits.

I also included that due to a continuing reduction in both corporate and personal income taxes...the top 10% of earners didn't pay $2 trillion.

Ah yes, war and a cold war and heaven sent. A very, very expensive and profitable war too, especially when you know one is hugely profiting from a war that can...never be fought.

Putin is right in one sense about the USSR's demise, the end of the cold war forced the US MIC to really hit K. St. to keep the cold war 'toys' coming even if there was...no cold war.

The 'peace dividend' was squandered by Bush I.



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RE: What is the world coming to under Trump - 9/11/2017 1:15:55 PM   
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So....Reagan said "Mr. Gorbachev, tear down this wall," and the Soviet got right to it.

Reality -- we spent each other into debt over Star Wars.

Yes, not Carter as the revisionist really believes in his head. Just another of his conspiracies. Of course the peace dividend could have paid off our debt if it wasn't frittered away.

Far too easy to just throw this out here. How about some cold war facts to back it up ?

By the time RR made that speech, people were already leaving E. Germany, and Hungarians and Czech. all via rail from Hungary. By the time the wall did come down, it was nothing that Reagan did and just made the exodus just that much easier, at least for east Germans.

And according to a British study, the cold war provided $2 trillion out of $7-$9 trillion spent on the cold war from 1949 to 1989...in profits.

I also included that due to a continuing reduction in both corporate and personal income taxes...the top 10% of earners didn't pay $2 trillion.

Ah yes, war and a cold war and heaven sent. A very, very expensive and profitable war too, especially when you know one is hugely profiting from a war that can...never be fought.

Putin is right in one sense about the USSR's demise, the end of the cold war forced the US MIC to really hit K. St. to keep the cold war 'toys' coming even if there was...no cold war.

The 'peace dividend' was squandered by Bush I.



I understand. You do really really work hard on your alternate reality. I know you shop hard for your "facts" to throw out. It's just what you do.

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RE: What is the world coming to under Trump - 9/11/2017 1:27:12 PM   
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Didn’t Trump cut a deal with the Saudi Arabia first? A strong powerful man that, a modern marvel. I would imagine he neither bowed nor curtsied like the grovelling bitch boy he is to the oil tycoons.

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RE: What is the world coming to under Trump - 9/11/2017 1:32:22 PM   
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I think you both believe in fairies.



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Now it's more often than not…personal attacks with no reference to the topic at all.

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RE: What is the world coming to under Trump - 9/11/2017 1:55:06 PM   
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I think you both believe in fairies.



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Now it's more often than not…personal attacks with no reference to the topic at all.



Good one

That'as a quote of his that could get stand to get re-posted again and again in the weeks and months ahead

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RE: What is the world coming to under Trump - 9/11/2017 2:03:07 PM   
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Didn’t Trump cut a deal with the Saudi Arabia first? A strong powerful man that, a modern marvel. I would imagine he neither bowed nor curtsied like the grovelling bitch boy he is to the oil tycoons.

Lol, do you have links for that? Or are you just spewing? It's so nice to have you here. Oh, and you're going to have to fight it out with edweird over whether its oil tycoons or Goldman Sacs. And then if the mental patient ever comes back you can fight it out with him on whether its oil tycoons or Putin.

You lefties will just have to get on the same page.

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RE: What is the world coming to under Trump - 9/11/2017 2:13:14 PM   
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First a Republican president does a deal with Democrats. No link, you've all seen it.

Now:

http://m.jpost.com/Arab-Israeli-Conflict/Did-the-Saudi-Crown-Prince-make-a-covert-visit-to-Israel-504777

Arab leaders visiting Israel.


But... Didn't Jimmy Carter bring peace to the Middle East??? They all said... !

Now President TRUMP is doing it instead???

You're comparing el presidente to Carter?
I thought that was a terminal insult* in republican circles...
*(an insult so insulting that if you say it to somebody, one of you is going to die)

Carter was an awesome human being but leader, not so much.
I daresay that he couldn't lead pissants to a picnic.

I certainly admire the stuff he's done since 1980 a lot more than his presidential career, but that doesn't alter the fact that he made an attempt to drain the swamp (all of which Reagan did away the second he got into the white house), suggested that an economic dependency on Arab oil wasn't a good thing (the oil crisis was already going when he said that, of course, but unlike his predecessor he didn't spend his term in office denying it was causing problems), took a hand in the D of E, and made a point of establishing financial disclosure rules on his donors . However big a fuck up of the hostage mess he made (and that was, if we're honest, as much the CIA making a point of fucking him up as incompetence on Carter's part), he certainly wasn't anything like the catastrophe he gets painted as, and if anybody can name anything an American president has done in the middle east that has proven more beneficial than the Camp David accord syrup boy is mocking since then, I haven't heard about it.

Remember Iran, Desert one, and his helping the terrorists take over Iran. Far outweighs Camp David.

How did he help the jihadists take over Iran?
Something like Khomeni became inevitable as soon as Truman deposed Mossadeq and put the shah back in power. How was he Carter's fault? Show your working out.

You don't remember do you that Carter undermined the Shah and helped Khomeni get into Iran..
Then he totally mishandled the hostage situation including sending a rescue mission which was proven to have
no chance of doing anything other than get Americans killed. Before they left it was proven that the choppers
couldn't handle the sand so he handed the jihadist a propaganda victory to get an edge on Kennedy.
Of course you claim to be from Saudi so you see anything that works out for radicals as being inevitable.

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RE: What is the world coming to under Trump - 9/11/2017 2:27:09 PM   
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First a Republican president does a deal with Democrats. No link, you've all seen it.

Now:

http://m.jpost.com/Arab-Israeli-Conflict/Did-the-Saudi-Crown-Prince-make-a-covert-visit-to-Israel-504777

Arab leaders visiting Israel.


But... Didn't Jimmy Carter bring peace to the Middle East??? They all said... !

Now President TRUMP is doing it instead???

You're comparing el presidente to Carter?
I thought that was a terminal insult* in republican circles...
*(an insult so insulting that if you say it to somebody, one of you is going to die)

Carter was an awesome human being but leader, not so much.
I daresay that he couldn't lead pissants to a picnic.

I certainly admire the stuff he's done since 1980 a lot more than his presidential career, but that doesn't alter the fact that he made an attempt to drain the swamp (all of which Reagan did away the second he got into the white house), suggested that an economic dependency on Arab oil wasn't a good thing (the oil crisis was already going when he said that, of course, but unlike his predecessor he didn't spend his term in office denying it was causing problems), took a hand in the D of E, and made a point of establishing financial disclosure rules on his donors . However big a fuck up of the hostage mess he made (and that was, if we're honest, as much the CIA making a point of fucking him up as incompetence on Carter's part), he certainly wasn't anything like the catastrophe he gets painted as, and if anybody can name anything an American president has done in the middle east that has proven more beneficial than the Camp David accord syrup boy is mocking since then, I haven't heard about it.

Remember Iran, Desert one, and his helping the terrorists take over Iran. Far outweighs Camp David.

How did he help the jihadists take over Iran?
Something like Khomeni became inevitable as soon as Truman deposed Mossadeq and put the shah back in power. How was he Carter's fault? Show your working out.

You don't remember do you that Carter undermined the Shah and helped Khomeni get into Iran..

I don't as a matter of fact. If something didn't happen, I tend not to remember it. I do remember Carter letting the shah into the 'States for medical treatment and the revolution getting going while he was out of the country with Khomeni using the fact that the shah was in America to rally the idiots behind him. I remember Carter freezing all of Iran's international assets and cancelling all of the arms deals that had been in place with the shah when Khomeni took over, rather than him doing anything to support Khomini and undercut the shah, but doubtless that's just history and liberals being completely wrong about history.

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RE: What is the world coming to under Trump - 9/11/2017 3:47:05 PM   
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So....Reagan said "Mr. Gorbachev, tear down this wall," and the Soviet got right to it.

Reality -- we spent each other into debt over Star Wars.

Yes, not Carter as the revisionist really believes in his head. Just another of his conspiracies. Of course the peace dividend could have paid off our debt if it wasn't frittered away.

Far too easy to just throw this out here. How about some cold war facts to back it up ?

By the time RR made that speech, people were already leaving E. Germany, and Hungarians and Czech. all via rail from Hungary. By the time the wall did come down, it was nothing that Reagan did and just made the exodus just that much easier, at least for east Germans.

And according to a British study, the cold war provided $2 trillion out of $7-$9 trillion spent on the cold war from 1949 to 1989...in profits.

I also included that due to a continuing reduction in both corporate and personal income taxes...the top 10% of earners didn't pay $2 trillion.

Ah yes, war and a cold war and heaven sent. A very, very expensive and profitable war too, especially when you know one is hugely profiting from a war that can...never be fought.

Putin is right in one sense about the USSR's demise, the end of the cold war forced the US MIC to really hit K. St. to keep the cold war 'toys' coming even if there was...no cold war.

The 'peace dividend' was squandered by Bush I.



I understand. You do really really work hard on your alternate reality. I know you shop hard for your "facts" to throw out. It's just what you do.

Not hard at all because my reality is obviously very...real.

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RE: What is the world coming to under Trump - 9/11/2017 4:00:37 PM   
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First a Republican president does a deal with Democrats. No link, you've all seen it.

Now:

http://m.jpost.com/Arab-Israeli-Conflict/Did-the-Saudi-Crown-Prince-make-a-covert-visit-to-Israel-504777

Arab leaders visiting Israel.


But... Didn't Jimmy Carter bring peace to the Middle East??? They all said... !

Now President TRUMP is doing it instead???

You're comparing el presidente to Carter?
I thought that was a terminal insult* in republican circles...
*(an insult so insulting that if you say it to somebody, one of you is going to die)

Carter was an awesome human being but leader, not so much.
I daresay that he couldn't lead pissants to a picnic.

I certainly admire the stuff he's done since 1980 a lot more than his presidential career, but that doesn't alter the fact that he made an attempt to drain the swamp (all of which Reagan did away the second he got into the white house), suggested that an economic dependency on Arab oil wasn't a good thing (the oil crisis was already going when he said that, of course, but unlike his predecessor he didn't spend his term in office denying it was causing problems), took a hand in the D of E, and made a point of establishing financial disclosure rules on his donors . However big a fuck up of the hostage mess he made (and that was, if we're honest, as much the CIA making a point of fucking him up as incompetence on Carter's part), he certainly wasn't anything like the catastrophe he gets painted as, and if anybody can name anything an American president has done in the middle east that has proven more beneficial than the Camp David accord syrup boy is mocking since then, I haven't heard about it.

Remember Iran, Desert one, and his helping the terrorists take over Iran. Far outweighs Camp David.

How did he help the jihadists take over Iran?
Something like Khomeni became inevitable as soon as Truman deposed Mossadeq and put the shah back in power. How was he Carter's fault? Show your working out.

You don't remember do you that Carter undermined the Shah and helped Khomeni get into Iran..
Then he totally mishandled the hostage situation including sending a rescue mission which was proven to have
no chance of doing anything other than get Americans killed. Before they left it was proven that the choppers
couldn't handle the sand so he handed the jihadist a propaganda victory to get an edge on Kennedy.
Of course you claim to be from Saudi so you see anything that works out for radicals as being inevitable.

I don't care about people's place of origin but the rest is as usual...unmitigated bullshit. Choppers have been working fine in Iraqi, Kuwaiti and Saudi desert sands.

And what struck Desert 1 was a huge sand storm, impossible to predict and obviously much less of a risk than to 241 marines in their sleep on a Sunday morning.

Nothing but cheap ad hominem partisan attacks on Carter and because you have nothing else and most of the time.

Plus you are going to need to explain just how Carter undermined the Shah. Did offering medical care do it ?

In fact in terms of what really happened is that the Shah left Iran in Jan. 79 and in Feb. the Iranian govt, invited Khomeini into Iran. Where was the oh so glorious and patriotic 'oil-saving' CIA then ?

< Message edited by MrRodgers -- 9/11/2017 4:02:14 PM >


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RE: What is the world coming to under Trump - 9/11/2017 4:09:24 PM   
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So....Reagan said "Mr. Gorbachev, tear down this wall," and the Soviet got right to it.

Reality -- we spent each other into debt over Star Wars.

Yes, not Carter as the revisionist really believes in his head. Just another of his conspiracies. Of course the peace dividend could have paid off our debt if it wasn't frittered away.

Far too easy to just throw this out here. How about some cold war facts to back it up ?

By the time RR made that speech, people were already leaving E. Germany, and Hungarians and Czech. all via rail from Hungary. By the time the wall did come down, it was nothing that Reagan did and just made the exodus just that much easier, at least for east Germans.

And according to a British study, the cold war provided $2 trillion out of $7-$9 trillion spent on the cold war from 1949 to 1989...in profits.

I also included that due to a continuing reduction in both corporate and personal income taxes...the top 10% of earners didn't pay $2 trillion.

Ah yes, war and a cold war and heaven sent. A very, very expensive and profitable war too, especially when you know one is hugely profiting from a war that can...never be fought.

Putin is right in one sense about the USSR's demise, the end of the cold war forced the US MIC to really hit K. St. to keep the cold war 'toys' coming even if there was...no cold war.

The 'peace dividend' was squandered by Bush I.



I understand. You do really really work hard on your alternate reality. I know you shop hard for your "facts" to throw out. It's just what you do.

Not hard at all because my reality is obviously very...real.

Oh yes, I agree. It's very real to you.


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RE: What is the world coming to under Trump - 9/11/2017 4:13:47 PM   
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So....Reagan said "Mr. Gorbachev, tear down this wall," and the Soviet got right to it.

Reality -- we spent each other into debt over Star Wars.

Yes, not Carter as the revisionist really believes in his head. Just another of his conspiracies. Of course the peace dividend could have paid off our debt if it wasn't frittered away.

Far too easy to just throw this out here. How about some cold war facts to back it up ?

By the time RR made that speech, people were already leaving E. Germany, and Hungarians and Czech. all via rail from Hungary. By the time the wall did come down, it was nothing that Reagan did and just made the exodus just that much easier, at least for east Germans.

And according to a British study, the cold war provided $2 trillion out of $7-$9 trillion spent on the cold war from 1949 to 1989...in profits.

I also included that due to a continuing reduction in both corporate and personal income taxes...the top 10% of earners didn't pay $2 trillion.

Ah yes, war and a cold war and heaven sent. A very, very expensive and profitable war too, especially when you know one is hugely profiting from a war that can...never be fought.

Putin is right in one sense about the USSR's demise, the end of the cold war forced the US MIC to really hit K. St. to keep the cold war 'toys' coming even if there was...no cold war.

The 'peace dividend' was squandered by Bush I.



I understand. You do really really work hard on your alternate reality. I know you shop hard for your "facts" to throw out. It's just what you do.

Not hard at all because my reality is obviously very...real.

Oh yes, I agree. It's very real to you.



Don't see a whole lot of reality being written about in this thread. Plus there are all of those countless millions of people who would have to agree with me because you know...the facts of the matter.

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RE: What is the world coming to under Trump - 9/11/2017 4:14:27 PM   
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First a Republican president does a deal with Democrats. No link, you've all seen it.

Now:

http://m.jpost.com/Arab-Israeli-Conflict/Did-the-Saudi-Crown-Prince-make-a-covert-visit-to-Israel-504777

Arab leaders visiting Israel.


But... Didn't Jimmy Carter bring peace to the Middle East??? They all said... !

Now President TRUMP is doing it instead???

You're comparing el presidente to Carter?
I thought that was a terminal insult* in republican circles...
*(an insult so insulting that if you say it to somebody, one of you is going to die)

Carter was an awesome human being but leader, not so much.
I daresay that he couldn't lead pissants to a picnic.

I don't think he could lead ants to a picnic, but I think he would make a good neighbor.

We're agreed on that

Carter and then Gorbachev ended the cold war. Just because the propaganda has it that Reagan-speak turned it around, tell me when the Soviets did anything because they were told to or because of words.

Revisionist history is strong in this one.

Well you are going to need much more than that. What did Reagan do ? Nothing but talk. When Reagan told Gorby no at Iceland which was in fact reversed when Gorbachev balked at what was going to be SDI. Still, it was hailed as if it was the fucking second coming. You know, that liberal media was all flowers and praise simply for saying no to what...dropping SDI at a Salt II negotiation.

The real history:

The Reagan proposals for broad reductions in nuclear arms reflected an effort by Reagan Administration officials to deflect the criticism directed at them by antinuclear activists for continuing the arms race. By proposing reductions that the Soviets were sure to resist, the Reagan Administration could blame the ongoing arms race on the Soviet Union and justify continued U.S. development of strategic weapons. At the same time, however, this approach to arms control led Moscow to abandon talks in 1983.

After Mikhail Gorbachev took power in the Soviet Union in 1985, the two countries resumed arms control discussions. At a summit meeting in Reykjavik in 1986, Reagan once again proposed a fifty percent reduction in long range strategic weapons. At this point, Gorbachev was far more inclined to consider the proposal and act upon it, because economic problems in the Soviet Union made ending, or at least curtailing, the expensive nuclear arms race a necessity.

What prevented a deal at this juncture was not the ambitious nature of the proposal, but the ongoing U.S. research into a missile defense system under President Reagan's Strategic Defense Initiative. The Soviets argued that under the1972 Antiballistic Missile Treaty developing a missile defense system was illegal, and they demanded that the United States halt research on the project before any agreement be reached on long-range strategic weapons reductions.

A 1987 agreement between the United States and the Soviet Union provided a way around this impasse by calling for fifty percent reductions in long-range strategic weapons and a new treaty to reconfirm a mutual commitment to the ABM Treaty. Although this agreement appeared to have solved the problem, the treaty was not completed before the end of the Reagan Administration.

Tell me just why it was important to include intermediate range nukes in Salt II ?

It is proper to quote your sources. I'm sure wearecommies.com would appreciate it.

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RE: What is the world coming to under Trump - 9/11/2017 5:39:44 PM   
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its lifted from the middle of this:

http://warnewsinformation.blogspot.com/2012/12/strategic-arms-reduction-treaties-1991.html


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RE: What is the world coming to under Trump - 9/11/2017 6:31:35 PM   
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its lifted from the middle of this:

http://warnewsinformation.blogspot.com/2012/12/strategic-arms-reduction-treaties-1991.html



That's so funny. He cherry picked a couple of paragraphs from a blog with an author who's main contention was that Reagan needed to back away from Nucs because of a potential nuclear winter if they were used. And that is what millions and millions of people believe and that is how the corporate crooks stole all of our money.

That is so funny.

The "blog" doesn't even discuss his main thesis I'm sure he cherry picks paragraphs from other blogs to link to these paragraphs and...oh boy...that's how a revisionist world is created.

LMAO.

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