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RE: Brilliant repub tax strategy...greed again. - 9/22/2017 7:30:39 PM

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The GOP borrow and spend plan doesn't help either.
Any independent analysis will tell you resolving structural deficit/debt means ALL of:
- raise taxes
- cut expenses
- cut military spending
- adjust SS
- adjust Medicaid/care
There is NO dem or rep calling for that -- it's all partisan pieces, and blaming the other party when it doesn't work, even though it never could have worked.
It will continue as long as:
- politicians are irresponsible
- voters are gullible and short-sighted
- people like you are blindly partisan

Well except the elephant in the room is the outlandish subsidies to fossil fuels, big agric. and big wall street banks to mention just a few. Those are the 'sacred cows' of repub policy.
Ya'know...the other welfare state.

Oh, fuck off, with the "'sacred cows' of repub policy." The Democrats are in bed with Big Ag and Big Wall Street, too. I have to wonder how much their negative cries against Big Oil is sabre rattling and how much is legit.

What are the Big Oil Subsidies that aren't extended to all businesses?

Ok, while I do not ever resort to such, how about this ?

Yes, the dems are part of the problem but at least theirs is more to help jobs. While there is this:

Republicans hate the idea of helping Americans struggling to survive in an economy they persist in sabotaging, and their reasoning is based on lies that America is broke or that aid to the poor creates a nation of takers.

Republicans claim it is unfair to take taxpayer dollars to fund programs that would reduce the necessity for assistance to the least fortunate among us. However, Republicans do not think it is unfair to take taxpayer dollars to give to their wealthy benefactors or pass legislation to hand more of Americans’ hard-earned money to those who need it least.

9/'13 ...House Republicans voted to slash $40 billion from the SNAP program (food stamps) over the next ten years because, they claim, America is too broke to help seniors, working families, and children eat, but they preserved agriculture subsidies in the farm bill because America in not too broke to give welfare to corporate agriculture or GOP House members voting to cut food stamps.

In fact, according to Republicans America is never too broke to give tens-of-billions of taxpayers’ dollars annually to three specific industries that are raking in record profits, and if they were brought to an end America could afford to help the poor, repair the crumbling infrastructure, and put the economy on a sound footing. Republican’s abhorrence of helping the poor or growing the economy aside, it is their adherence to wasteful subsidies that benefit no-one but corporations that sets them apart as fiscal morons.

According to the Cato Institute, American families are paying an average of $6,000 per year to corporations that have doubled their profits while cutting 2.9 million American jobs. It works out to approximately $100 billion a year in corporate welfare, and that does not include some of the biggest and most wasteful subsidies in the nation.

It is no small coincidence that the industries receiving the most taxpayer-funded welfare are also Republicans’ favorite donors in the oil, banking, pharmaceutical, and agricultural industries, which are why they bristle at the suggestion the subsidies must end.

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RE: Brilliant repub tax strategy...greed again. - 9/22/2017 7:39:30 PM

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Here's another piece of capitalist immorality along with the absolute bullshit of trying to stay competitive.

United Technologies, the parent company of Carrier, is not worried about foreign competition. Rather, its top executives and hedge fund investors are seeking more cash flow to finance the $10 billion stock buyback plan they instituted last year. Stock buybacks always raise share prices to enrich top executives and hedge funds. They are the key to runaway inequality.

Instead of justifying Carrier-like job loss, all of these pundits should explain to the America public how those same stock buybacks were illegal before 1982. That’s because they were considered stock manipulation! (Yes, in free markets, you’re not supposed to be able to manipulate the price of anything.) Since the Reagan administration legalized them, stock buybacks jumped from 2% of all corporate profits in 1980 to a whopping 75% of all corporate profits by 2007. There’s nothing inevitable about that.

https://www.commondreams.org/views/2016/12/09/hypocrisy-corporate-welfare-its-bigger-trump

Free markets ? Did somebody mention free markets. What is a free market ?

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RE: Brilliant repub tax strategy...greed again. - 9/22/2017 8:06:03 PM

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I object to funding programs that have been proven over the last 40 years not to work.

Put the Surgeon General back in charge of National Health Care. Get rid of the bureaucratic pork barrel of welfare and get people some bloody help instead of handouts. (No, I don't mean welfare queens but the plethora of bureaucrats whose only purpose is to try and find a reason to deny benefits, do as little as possible, and suck off the public teat.)

Get some sane regulation of health care. Insurance doesn't mean you have health care it just means you have to pay more for health care on the bills. It is ironic that the co-pay of current insurance is higher than the over the counter cost of a doctor visit from 1999. The spiraling health care charges that bear no relationship to the cost of providing health services has gone past the point of insane.

Instead of terminating unemployment compensation for enrolling in a training program; continue it as a stipend dependent on successful completion of coursework.

Hold state governments accountable for actions by withholding federal money from ineffective programs. The lack of accountability in governments has led to abuses at all levels.

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RE: Brilliant repub tax strategy...greed again. - 9/23/2017 6:35:40 AM

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Ok, while I do not ever resort to such, how about this ?

You never resort to what, the truth?

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Yes, the dems are part of the problem but at least theirs is more to help jobs. While there is this:
Republicans hate the idea of helping Americans struggling to survive in an economy they persist in sabotaging, and their reasoning is based on lies that America is broke or that aid to the poor creates a nation of takers.
Republicans claim it is unfair to take taxpayer dollars to fund programs that would reduce the necessity for assistance to the least fortunate among us. However, Republicans do not think it is unfair to take taxpayer dollars to give to their wealthy benefactors or pass legislation to hand more of Americans’ hard-earned money to those who need it least.
9/'13 ...House Republicans voted to slash $40 billion from the SNAP program (food stamps) over the next ten years because, they claim, America is too broke to help seniors, working families, and children eat, but they preserved agriculture subsidies in the farm bill because America in not too broke to give welfare to corporate agriculture or GOP House members voting to cut food stamps.
In fact, according to Republicans America is never too broke to give tens-of-billions of taxpayers’ dollars annually to three specific industries that are raking in record profits, and if they were brought to an end America could afford to help the poor, repair the crumbling infrastructure, and put the economy on a sound footing. Republican’s abhorrence of helping the poor or growing the economy aside, it is their adherence to wasteful subsidies that benefit no-one but corporations that sets them apart as fiscal morons.
According to the Cato Institute, American families are paying an average of $6,000 per year to corporations that have doubled their profits while cutting 2.9 million American jobs. It works out to approximately $100 billion a year in corporate welfare, and that does not include some of the biggest and most wasteful subsidies in the nation.
It is no small coincidence that the industries receiving the most taxpayer-funded welfare are also Republicans’ favorite donors in the oil, banking, pharmaceutical, and agricultural industries, which are why they bristle at the suggestion the subsidies must end.
HERE

The last Farm Bill passed in 2014. It passed with bipartisan support (168R's and 89D's in the House; 14R's, 43D's, 1I [Sanders] in the Senate) and was signed into law by a Democrat President. Yet, it's the GOP that is giving things away.

Oh, wait. Lemme guess, the Democrats and Bernie Sanders voted in favor of this solely because of the potential jobs it would create, right?

What subsidies does Big OIl get - and how much are they - that every other business in the US doesn't get? You probably just overlooked it when I asked previously.

And, thanks for demonstrating that it's not about deficits, but what we're spending the money on.

How does it cost a taxpayer any more when a different taxpayer gets to keep more of his/her own money (ie. pay less in taxes)?

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RE: Brilliant repub tax strategy...greed again. - 9/23/2017 8:18:50 AM

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The GOP borrow and spend plan doesn't help either.

Any independent analysis will tell you resolving structural deficit/debt means ALL of:

- raise taxes
- cut expenses
- cut military spending
- adjust SS
- adjust Medicaid/care

There is NO dem or rep calling for that -- it's all partisan pieces, and blaming the other party when it doesn't work, even though it never could have worked.

It will continue as long as:

- politicians are irresponsible
- voters are gullible and short-sighted
- people like you are blindly partisan

Well except the elephant in the room is the outlandish subsidies to fossil fuels, big agric. and big wall street banks to mention just a few. Those are the 'sacred cows' of repub policy.

Ya'know...the other welfare state.

. . . um . . . Dude . . . aren't those expenditures?

Covered in my post.

And -- despite what the right winger nutters here think, I really am a moderate -- those are very much Democrat supported initiatives, not solely GOP.

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