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Hillwilliam -> RE: Women "sleep with" minors, men "rape" them. (9/27/2017 12:09:16 PM)


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ORIGINAL: bounty44

here is an interesting one for you greta:

https://www.yahoo.com/gma/tennessee-teen-allegedly-kidnapped-former-teacher-speaks-good-160408098--abc-news-topstories.html

I saw that earlier. Do you think it could be "Stockholm Syndrome"?




MercTech -> RE: Women "sleep with" minors, men "rape" them. (9/27/2017 3:32:25 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Hillwilliam


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ORIGINAL: bounty44

here is an interesting one for you greta:

https://www.yahoo.com/gma/tennessee-teen-allegedly-kidnapped-former-teacher-speaks-good-160408098--abc-news-topstories.html

I saw that earlier. Do you think it could be "Stockholm Syndrome"?


Not sure, but isn't any violation of the Mann Act automatically prosecuted as kidnapping? i.e. Taking a minor across state lines for immoral purposes, even with the minor avidly in favor of it, is still a federal crime.




Hillwilliam -> RE: Women "sleep with" minors, men "rape" them. (9/27/2017 3:33:51 PM)


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ORIGINAL: MercTech


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ORIGINAL: Hillwilliam


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ORIGINAL: bounty44

here is an interesting one for you greta:

https://www.yahoo.com/gma/tennessee-teen-allegedly-kidnapped-former-teacher-speaks-good-160408098--abc-news-topstories.html

I saw that earlier. Do you think it could be "Stockholm Syndrome"?


Not sure, but isn't any violation of the Mann Act automatically prosecuted as kidnapping? i.e. Taking a minor across state lines for immoral purposes, even with the minor avidly in favor of it, is still a federal crime.

I think you are correct.
I'm not an attorney, though. Just a Chemist




bounty44 -> RE: Women "sleep with" minors, men "rape" them. (9/27/2017 4:11:05 PM)


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ORIGINAL: MercTech


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ORIGINAL: Hillwilliam


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ORIGINAL: bounty44

here is an interesting one for you greta:

https://www.yahoo.com/gma/tennessee-teen-allegedly-kidnapped-former-teacher-speaks-good-160408098--abc-news-topstories.html

I saw that earlier. Do you think it could be "Stockholm Syndrome"?


Not sure, but isn't any violation of the Mann Act automatically prosecuted as kidnapping? i.e. Taking a minor across state lines for immoral purposes, even with the minor avidly in favor of it, is still a federal crime.


I think I posted it for two reasons consistent with things greta's mentioned.

one is, the girl's willingness.

the other was the use of language---she was "kidnapped" even though she apparently went willingly.




MercTech -> RE: Women "sleep with" minors, men "rape" them. (9/27/2017 4:14:07 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Greta75

FR

But I honestly don't think any Feminist is actually fighting for teachers not to be prosecuted for having sex with their students, as that is unprofessional.

On my point of view, I remembered a girlfriend of mine, who ironically was a teacher herself, blamed a much older guy herself when she was very young, for sexual grooming. And she always condemned older men going for teenage girls. She claim at that age, she was just so innocent and didn't know better.

But I personally took responsibility for my own sex life since very young. At 13 yr old, I already make very conscious choices how far I wanted to go with my boyfriends. At that age too, I had a age limit for sexual interaction. No boys 2 years older than me. And I kept to it consciously. Infact at 13, most women are more mature than the men. No boys is gonna refuse sex, but seldom they will even be the one who initiate.

At 13, I was fully conscious of my choices and able to make wise and took full control of my own sex life. I never had sex education. Nobody taught me. It's just, at 13, technically, one is already pretty mature. If I had a male teacher who wanted my number, I simply said my parents do not allow me to give out numbers to the opposite sex. End of story.

That's why when I see 15 yr old boys sleep with 40 yr old teachers or whatever.

I can't see it as rape, as long as the teacher didn't drug them, kidnap them, knock them out, and seriously forcefully against their free will took them. Only in those circumstances would I consider it rape. It has to be like forced against them when they said no, they do not want this. I mean, both my brothers were already having sex at 15 yr old. Not with teachers, with girls their age. And they had loving relationships at that age already.

I think above 13, they are pretty conscious already of their actions.

Statutory rape should be 12 and below I feel.

That is the age where you can bribe them with candy to get sex.

As I was saying in my country, teenage boys are getting very vindictive when they get discipline by their teachers for whatever, and take revenge by going to police to accuse their educators of "statutory rape". Many of these incidents turn out to be totally false because the boys can't even clearly describe precisely what did the teacher did to them sexually. They had no idea how descriptive they needed to be in the report ha!

It just tells me that teenage boys are very conscious and know what they are doing.




Once, it was like that in many states. But, things changed around and the age of consent got raised in a huge push to outlaw "child brides".

Take a look at the details of the legal problems of Jerry Lee Lewis. Jerry Lee Lewis had a sexual relationship with a 13 year old and the girl's parents signed the permission for her to get married to Jerry Lee. While playing a concert in another country; he was arrested for statutory rape and deported. That was a real shit show for several months with all the arguments washing back and forth. One thing that got it really debatable was that what he did was legal in Tennessee but he was arrested in London. I remember my mother talking about a warrant put out for him in New York but no one served it until after he had flown on to Tennessee. I was young. All I knew was that I liked his music and I was suddenly forbidden to play any of it where the neighbors could hear. The rest is piecing memories together with historical record.

Personally, I've met people 25 I'd say are too immature for an intimate relationship and 15 year old kids that are really ready to put a ring on it. A legal "age of consent" rather states a statistical average. Back in the 19th century; If you were old enough to start making a family you had bloody well be mature enough to decide on sex. Today when functional childhood is extended to the mid 20s age of consent has been raised higher and years past the onset of puberty. With the poorer diet prevalent, a 19th century girl, on average, hit puberty around 16 and was married a year or so later. Laws from then reflected that with marriage allowed, with parental consent, at 13 and without parental consent at 16. Today in the U.S., we consider people able to marry without permission at age 18 but can't buy a bottle of champagne to celebrate the wedding until 21. If it sounds backwards, I rather agree.

I was one of those kids chanting "Old enough for war, old enough to drink" over the issue. By the way, we can thank Joan Claybrook, the "Murdercycles should have mandatory airbags" National Highway Traffic Safety Administrator, for blackmailing the various states into raising the legal drinking age again during the Carter administration.

re. 26th amendment passed in 1971 made 18 legal age in the U.S. Most State forbade liquor sales to persons below "legal age". In 1975, states were forced to make laws specifying 21 to be legal age to purchase or consume alcohol or have federal matching funds for highways not paid by the NHTSA (wasn't even a Presidential order).




Awareness -> RE: Women "sleep with" minors, men "rape" them. (9/27/2017 6:56:30 PM)


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ORIGINAL: PeonForHer
Nonsense, of course. She almost certainly isn't either stupid or lying and you almost certainly know it. Honestly, A - your usual narcissistic-personality-disorder-level pomposity isn't going to m1ake up for your very basic lack of knowledge on this subject.
Oh, I know she's lying alright. And Peon you clearly don't understand the diagnostic criteria necessary to evaluate someone's personality, nor do you - to be blunt - have the intelligence to do so. Let alone the training.

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Time and again I've noticed with you, and your fellow lunatic-fringe antifeminist chum, respectmen, that you have this strange assumption that those on the other end of the political spectrum all operate in some kind of 'intellectual hierarchy'. That is, if some self-identifying feminist 'at the top' thinks in a certain way, all those 'beneath her (and it usually is a 'her', of course) just must think the same way.
The problem with your proposition here is that feminist dogma is codified in various resources and spouted by people such as yourself who are incapable of expressing a single original thought. For instance, your claim that the dictionary definition of feminism is accurate is based upon an idea which has been inculcated into you during your lengthy gender-studies indoctrination. There are clearly feminist memes at play in modern society which unthinking, rather pedestrian sorts like yourself parrot ad nauseam whenever you're confronted with an argument you either don't understand or are simply incapable of countering.

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This is why respectmen keeps on posting threads citing one of these 'feminists', with the subtext of 'Aha! This what all you feminists buy into! Defend this if you can!' - while almost everybody here looks at the post in bafflement.
Don't be stupid. Nobody is baffled. Respectmen makes posts pointing out the central hypocrisy in feminism: That while claiming to adhere to a dictionary definition of feminism which pontificates grandly about 'gender equality', feminists of all stripes and under all circumstances are explicitly devoted to the gaining of further privileges for women. Respectmen's point is about the sheer volume of examples overwhelming your rather limp-wristed response of "#NOTALLFEMINISTS!!!!".

On the contrary, Respectmen's ongoing parade of examples is tantamount to a retort: #YESALLFEMINISTS. That you are apparently too dim to grasp this is unsurprising, although it is a little disappointing - not to mention tedious as you continually make a fool of yourself trying to stumble about parroting dogma amidst a circumstance which requires you to actually think. Not for the first time Peon, I'm forced to point out the inadequacy of your intelligence to participate in the discussions in which you desperately try to insert yourself.

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It's also why you have repeatedly brayed at me triumphantly the line 'You're no feminist - you can't even name one feminist!'.
How about a citation there Peon, because I think you're just straight up lying here. I have challenged you to name a feminist authority and you are mysteriously unable to do so despite apparently supping from the feminist font of dogma for over a decade.

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Aside from the obvious point that it's a piece of cake for anyone to google the term 'feminist' and come up with a tonne of names and synopses of their thinking
It's also possible to google the term "meat curtains" and come up with a variety of descriptions and pontification upon the subject. The ability to retrieve results when googling is indicative of nothing more than the effectiveness of the search algorithm and the ability of humanity to express itself with a degree of verbosity upon almost any subject you care to name. That you think this is indicative of anything is further evidence of your rather workmanlike thinking.

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... you make the more fundamental mistake - well, actually, utterly ignorant mistake - of failing to grasp that a feminist has no more need of citing a feminist thinker to whom he/she adheres completely than, say, a conservative would need to cite a conservative thinker to whom he/she adheres completely. That isn't how it works at your end of the political spectrum, so why do you assume that that's how it works at the other end of the political spectrum?
So basically you claim feminists are under no obligation to articulate the principles which they believe beyond some simple whiny declaration that women suffer because of patriarchy and sexism. That's not so much an ideology as the prattling of a village idiot. I can see why other village idiots might find their output interesting, but at the end of the day, you're still advocating for the ravings of a bunch of idiots to be taken seriously.

Really Peon, you should stick to subjects you actually know something about. This constant demonstration of the relative paucity of your understanding must be terribly embarrassing for you.




Greta75 -> RE: Women "sleep with" minors, men "rape" them. (9/27/2017 7:35:32 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Greta75
Former teacher admits to sexual relationship with student


This story is bizarre actually. He was 30. She was 13. He was her history teacher. He was was heartbroken over his divorce and his wife's infidelity. Her father just died.

For 5 years, he financially supported her mother and her and lived with them. But in return, he secretly took many sex videos of them together.

But he also tutored her and helped her start her own business.

Fucking grey area!





MercTech -> RE: Women "sleep with" minors, men "rape" them. (9/27/2017 8:42:59 PM)

A hundred years ago; society would have expected the guy to put a ring on it. Today he is crucified.




Lucylastic -> RE: Women "sleep with" minors, men "rape" them. (9/27/2017 9:04:49 PM)

a hundred years ago, she was crucified. And married to an abuser




Greta75 -> RE: Women "sleep with" minors, men "rape" them. (9/27/2017 9:11:56 PM)


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ORIGINAL: MercTech

A hundred years ago; society would have expected the guy to put a ring on it. Today he is crucified.



It must be very confusing to this 13 yr old who just lost her father, when this man came in and financially helped her and her mother. And then later betrayed her by secretly videoing lewd pictures of both her and her mother.

Personally, it's men and women who does this type of things that is the most threat. In terms of, they will do something very good to you to confuse you and also do something very bad to you.




Greta75 -> RE: Women "sleep with" minors, men "rape" them. (9/27/2017 9:19:07 PM)


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ORIGINAL: bounty44
the other was the use of language---she was "kidnapped" even though she apparently went willingly.

The article was very fair in using the word "alleged".

What makes it confusing is the girl's comments on the issue. Can't she verify whether was it a "kidnapped" or was it lovers, "Running away together romantically"?

I mean of course she is young and a 50 yr old can definitely romanticized the whole thing to her and make her feel good about it.

Usually the best advice for older men into younger women, is they should wait till she is 18 to get romantic. Before that, just be a fatherly figure to her.

Just like Celine Dion and her Husband. She was 12 when they met. It all went nicely and legally and nobody got hurt, and they are happily in love.




Made2Obey -> RE: Women "sleep with" minors, men "rape" them. (9/27/2017 9:53:58 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Greta75
What makes it confusing is the girl's comments on the issue. Can't she verify whether was it a "kidnapped" or was it lovers, "Running away together romantically"?


In this country it doesn't matter if she was entirely voluntary. Because she was a minor at the time it legally became a kidnapping the moment he took her across a state line without the express permission of her parents or legal guardians.
Even a school field trip requires signed parental permission if it crosses a state line.




Greta75 -> RE: Women "sleep with" minors, men "rape" them. (9/27/2017 10:22:49 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Made2Obey
Because she was a minor at the time it legally became a kidnapping the moment he took her across a state line without the express permission of her parents or legal guardians.
Even a school field trip requires signed parental permission if it crosses a state line.

Oh ya, parental consent required at that age for her to go anywhere! I forgot about that! Ha! Then it's legitimately "kidnapping" her from her parents. (I grew up with parents who couldn't care less about my whereabouts and I could disappear for one week at 13 and nobody will notice I am missing in my household, which is true, tried and tested. I even ended up in Australia on my own for 2 weeks with another man and nobody at home notice I was missing as a teenager, so it never occur to me about this point at all as I never needed permission to go missing.)

I felt very independent at 13, but I was independent at 5 yr old, as in, I guess normal parents won't let a 5 yr old out of their sight or go out alone. But I definitely could go out and roam the streets by myself all I want at 5 yr old all I want and go in and out of home anytime I want. Nobody stops me and nobody cares. Even at 12 yr old, I went for a job interview and took a door knocking job to sell stuffs job, without my parents knowing, just because, I pretty much can come and go when-ever I like, it doesn't matter. And I worked without my parents knowing. Its like that! I don't think it was legal for them to hire me, but they clearly thought I was cute and daring, wanting to do it. They just paid me cash, no proper documentation. I remembered always trying to find work since I turn 10yrs old and many job interviews turn me down. My parents made half a mil per annum but they never gave me money. And I never felt like I could ask for it, so I kept trying to find jobs to do. Very fortunate in a way I have never met a child predator but it's Singapore. Super safe. The only time I did was ironically in Thailand, with my parents, damn tour guide was feeling me up when I was 10. My stupid mom even thought the dude was so good with kids.

I can imagine at 13, I'd be insisting it's not kidnapping big time though if it was just me doing it on my own free will.

I just think in some ways. My mom was legit child labour at a farm from 5 yr old. But the amount of things she did for work from 5 yr old till big, gave me the impression that, 5 yr old could do anything. So I never ever felt like, just because I was a kid, I can't work. Infact I couldn't wait to work sooner and earlier and start making my own dough. Remembered as a kid feeling very frustrated about the working age limits where it's so hard to find a job, being told you are too young everywhere.

The view is very different from my angle. I can totally imagine myself actually eloping with a guy willingly when I was very young. And it would purely be my decision. But I would have felt differently if I actually had parents who exerted authority over me, and act like they are in charge of my life until 18. I think my parents parenting was more like, here's roof, here's food, here's education, everything else you wanna do, your problem, and if you don't score 100% on all your exams, face the cane. Other than that, do whatever you want. I deliberately miss out clothes because my parents never ensured I had enough clothes. We had school uniforms. I think right up till I could make my own money and buy my own clothes. I only had 2 sets of clothes and 2 school uniform.




bounty44 -> RE: Women "sleep with" minors, men "rape" them. (9/28/2017 4:54:17 AM)

reporters often use the word "allege" greta for legal reasons until the charge is proven in a court of law.

id have to go back and look but my memory from a first reading is that she indeed went with him willingly.

I don't know the story of a 12yr old celine dion in relationship with her future husband up until the time she became "legal"---but its not too difficult to imagine them being sexually intimate at some point prior to that is it?

I just went looking---theres a segment in her memoir where she says she lost her virginity at age 20.




Greta75 -> RE: Women "sleep with" minors, men "rape" them. (9/28/2017 9:42:19 AM)

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ORIGINAL: bounty44
I don't know the story of a 12yr old celine dion in relationship with her future husband up until the time she became "legal"---but its not too difficult to imagine them being sexually intimate at some point prior to that is it?

I just went looking---theres a segment in her memoir where she says she lost her virginity at age 20.

Well, yea, it's really difficult to gauge sometimes. As I mentioned. French President Macron was a 15 yr old who fell inlove with his married 40 yr old teacher. He was the one who wooed her. And relentlessly wooed her even when his parents found out and separated them and took him far away from her. He found his way back to her. And she left her husband and married him. But in France, it's not against the law for what happened. So both of them are fine.

And I believe Celine Dion was an innocent 12 yr old and kept innocent. I think her husband had self-control to wait until she was old enough. But the way that romance went, it sounded like her husband fell inlove with her since she was 12 yr old and groom her to be his wife.

Teenagers mature at different rate. I still feel some 13 yr olds can be actually quite conscious of what they are doing already, and are not that innocent.

The teacher should be still punished for being unprofessional. And as a teacher, you still cannot have knowledge that a student is gonna run away from home and disappear and not inform her parents. It's conflict of interest what his role as a teacher is, and of course his personal entanglement with her.

So he should be somewhat punished for it.

But "kidnapped" is because he is a teacher who was involved in the "runaway" of his student from her parents. Sooooo much conflict of interest, because as a teacher he should discourage his student from doing it. NOT instigate it!





bounty44 -> RE: Women "sleep with" minors, men "rape" them. (9/29/2017 2:05:55 AM)

greta ive been reading through an old cartoon book I have and have come across two relatively explicit examples of things consistent with the thread.

its a mainstream syndicated cartoon that appeared in newspapers all over the country. the main character is a 15yr old high school student. in one strip he's dreaming about a dalliance with his former 5th grade teacher. in another, he's daydreaming/fantasizing about his guidance counselor while he's sitting in a meeting with her. in the last frame she's sprawled seductively on her desk, essentially inviting him by her posture...before he comes back to reality.

theres another one where something is hinted at. he brings one of his female friends, who is a cheerleader, home with him. when he introduces her to his father, the father gets flustered due to her status. its not overtly sexual, but its clear the father, presumably in his 40s, wished he could have made a good impression on her.




bounty44 -> RE: Women "sleep with" minors, men "rape" them. (9/29/2017 4:24:31 AM)

"mnottertail [Awaiting Approval] "

yep---still lovin' it!




bounty44 -> RE: Women "sleep with" minors, men "rape" them. (9/29/2017 4:46:49 AM)

"thompsonx [Awaiting Approval] "

lovin' that too!

maybe the two of you can message each other?

although I imagine "punkass motherfucker", "jesus you are phoquing stupid" and "nutsucker felchgobble" can only go so far...




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