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ORIGINAL: BamaD

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ORIGINAL: Marini

I might as well jump into the fray here.
I have watched this video several times, I find it very, very disturbing.
**Graphic alert***

The suspect looks like a very young man, GRANTED he did grab for the officer's gun.
But did the officer have to shoot him 7 times???
The suspect was not even close to him, why did he fire the 4th, 5th, 6th and it appears the 7th shot killed him.

Things are getting out of hand.
In one of the video's you can tell that there was more than one cop on the scene.

The suspect had to be at least 10-15 feet away from the cop, and he was saying "no, no, no".
OMG, I just watched it again, I thought I was seeing things.
The suspect was just standing there, he was not even charging him!
I tell you I am done.

Daily Mail- Video of cop shooting suspect 7 times

New film came out showing what happened before the shooting.
He punched the cop who then USED A TASER on him.
The man shrugged of the taser like it never happen and attack again.
Would seem to change things doesn't it.

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ORIGINAL: Marini

quote:

ORIGINAL: BamaD

quote:

ORIGINAL: Marini

I might as well jump into the fray here.
I have watched this video several times, I find it very, very disturbing.
**Graphic alert***

The suspect looks like a very young man, GRANTED he did grab for the officer's gun.
But did the officer have to shoot him 7 times???
The suspect was not even close to him, why did he fire the 4th, 5th, 6th and it appears the 7th shot killed him.

Things are getting out of hand.
In one of the video's you can tell that there was more than one cop on the scene.

The suspect had to be at least 10-15 feet away from the cop, and he was saying "no, no, no".
OMG, I just watched it again, I thought I was seeing things.
The suspect was just standing there, he was not even charging him!
I tell you I am done.

Daily Mail- Video of cop shooting suspect 7 times

New film came out showing what happened before the shooting.
He punched the cop who then USED A TASER on him.
The man shrugged of the taser like it never happen and attack again.
Would seem to change things doesn't it.

Thank you for posting this, I read the updated story this morning.
It appears that the deceased, was a mentally disturbed navy veteran, and he was trying to steal his gun!
That means my OP was correct, but the initial information was a bit misleading.

DM- "Depressed" navy vet attempted to take officers gun

In this day of video coverage from multiple sources, most of the information we are getting is one sided.
Until or unless you see all of the coverage, many times you are speculating on incorrect information.

Look at these message boards, people spend hours and hours debating information that is usually one sided at best, and often not the entire or even true story!!
[sm=abducted.gif]

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ORIGINAL: igor2003

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ORIGINAL: BamaD




That is part of the reason police use hollow points
and part of the reason they aim for center mass.
Hollow point have less penetration and center mass has more
to penetrate.
Both factors reduce the chance of a through and through.
Aiming at the had or foot reduce the chance of a hit and make sure that every round
flies off looking for an innocent target.
But then if the cop would just die they could hit an innocent.

Regardless of whether it is center mass or the foot, if it ends up as a through and through or a total miss the projectile can still ricochet and hit a bystander. And if you shoot 7 times instead of once you increase the odds of a ricochet hitting someone by 7 times.

In the new video it is claimed that the officer said something about "let go of my gun" or words to that effect. (I couldn't hear the dialog myself) In the video it doesn't appear that Tabares is reaching anywhere near the officers service weapon so I have to wonder if he was referring to the stun gun.

Anyway, once the officer does draw his weapon he backs off a short distance. Tabares is no longer advancing on the officer, but the officer starts shooting anyway. Now the question is, was he justified in opening fire?

If this was combat between two civilians the question would be, was Tabares a threat at that point? He was apparently "armed" with only the officer's spare magazine and not advancing on the officer. If this was two civilians, could the shooter be said to be "in fear of his life" at that point.

To me the answer is "no". That should be the same answer for the officer, and to me the shooting was not justified.

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ORIGINAL: Real0ne

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ORIGINAL: Marini

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ORIGINAL: BamaD

quote:

ORIGINAL: Marini

I might as well jump into the fray here.
I have watched this video several times, I find it very, very disturbing.
**Graphic alert***

The suspect looks like a very young man, GRANTED he did grab for the officer's gun.
But did the officer have to shoot him 7 times???
The suspect was not even close to him, why did he fire the 4th, 5th, 6th and it appears the 7th shot killed him.

Things are getting out of hand.
In one of the video's you can tell that there was more than one cop on the scene.

The suspect had to be at least 10-15 feet away from the cop, and he was saying "no, no, no".
OMG, I just watched it again, I thought I was seeing things.
The suspect was just standing there, he was not even charging him!
I tell you I am done.

Daily Mail- Video of cop shooting suspect 7 times

New film came out showing what happened before the shooting.
He punched the cop who then USED A TASER on him.
The man shrugged of the taser like it never happen and attack again.
Would seem to change things doesn't it.

Thank you for posting this, I read the updated story this morning.
It appears that the deceased, was a mentally disturbed navy veteran, and he was trying to steal his gun!
That means my OP was correct, but the initial information was a bit misleading.

DM- "Depressed" navy vet attempted to take officers gun

In this day of video coverage from multiple sources, most of the information we are getting is one sided.
Until or unless you see all of the coverage, many times you are speculating on incorrect information.

Look at these message boards, people spend hours and hours debating information that is usually one sided at best, and often not the entire or even true story!!
[sm=abducted.gif]

Dont let yourself be deceived, these asswipes are trained to say shit like that, which supports one thing and one thing only and that is cya for rambo.

Rambo knows everything is being recorded and what rambo says during a confrontation is scripted for the grand jury exhoneration and public consumption.

There is no evidence what so ever the guy ever had his hands on rambos gun.

Take note rambo remembers script fragments and says get on the ground after blasting the guy with 7 rounds, as if the poor bastard had any other choice anyway.

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ORIGINAL: Marini

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ORIGINAL: BamaD

quote:

ORIGINAL: Marini

I might as well jump into the fray here.
I have watched this video several times, I find it very, very disturbing.
**Graphic alert***

The suspect looks like a very young man, GRANTED he did grab for the officer's gun.
But did the officer have to shoot him 7 times???
The suspect was not even close to him, why did he fire the 4th, 5th, 6th and it appears the 7th shot killed him.

Things are getting out of hand.
In one of the video's you can tell that there was more than one cop on the scene.

The suspect had to be at least 10-15 feet away from the cop, and he was saying "no, no, no".
OMG, I just watched it again, I thought I was seeing things.
The suspect was just standing there, he was not even charging him!
I tell you I am done.

Daily Mail- Video of cop shooting suspect 7 times

New film came out showing what happened before the shooting.
He punched the cop who then USED A TASER on him.
The man shrugged of the taser like it never happen and attack again.
Would seem to change things doesn't it.

Thank you for posting this, I read the updated story this morning.
It appears that the deceased, was a mentally disturbed navy veteran, and he was trying to steal his gun!
That means my OP was correct, but the initial information was a bit misleading.

DM- "Depressed" navy vet attempted to take officers gun

In this day of video coverage from multiple sources, most of the information we are getting is one sided.
Until or unless you see all of the coverage, many times you are speculating on incorrect information.

Look at these message boards, people spend hours and hours debating information that is usually one sided at best, and often not the entire or even true story!!
[sm=abducted.gif]

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ORIGINAL: igor2003

quote:

ORIGINAL: BamaD




That is part of the reason police use hollow points
and part of the reason they aim for center mass.
Hollow point have less penetration and center mass has more
to penetrate.
Both factors reduce the chance of a through and through.
Aiming at the had or foot reduce the chance of a hit and make sure that every round
flies off looking for an innocent target.
But then if the cop would just die they could hit an innocent.

Regardless of whether it is center mass or the foot, if it ends up as a through and through or a total miss the projectile can still ricochet and hit a bystander. And if you shoot 7 times instead of once you increase the odds of a ricochet hitting someone by 7 times.

In the new video it is claimed that the officer said something about "let go of my gun" or words to that effect. (I couldn't hear the dialog myself) In the video it doesn't appear that Tabares is reaching anywhere near the officers service weapon so I have to wonder if he was referring to the stun gun.

Anyway, once the officer does draw his weapon he backs off a short distance. Tabares is no longer advancing on the officer, but the officer starts shooting anyway. Now the question is, was he justified in opening fire?

If this was combat between two civilians the question would be, was Tabares a threat at that point? He was apparently "armed" with only the officer's spare magazine and not advancing on the officer. If this was two civilians, could the shooter be said to be "in fear of his life" at that point.

To me the answer is "no". That should be the same answer for the officer, and to me the shooting was not justified.

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ORIGINAL: Marini

Taze him once, and shoot 7 times?
Come on

There was more than one cop on the scene, the suspect appears to have not been armed.
He was drunk or high or mentally ill.
If he did not go down after being tazed, being shot 7 times is still excessive.

We can go round and round here.
We agree that many people can not control how many shots are fired with automatic weapons pages ago.

If nothing else here, I learned that cops often can't control how many shots are being fired these days, because of the high powered weaponry.
The days of revolvers and being shot once seem to be a thing of the past.
I come away with that FACT.

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ORIGINAL: BlackSinMaster

A good clean murder I feel. After the first bullet, where they were screaming for their life and mercy, it is good to know the pumped them with another six so as to shut the moaning fucker up.

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ORIGINAL: Marini

Taze him once, and shoot 7 times?
Come on

There was more than one cop on the scene, the suspect appears to have not been armed.
He was drunk or high or mentally ill.
If he did not go down after being tazed, being shot 7 times is still excessive.

We can go round and round here.
We agree that many people can not control how many shots are fired with automatic weapons pages ago.

If nothing else here, I learned that cops often can't control how many shots are being fired these days, because of the high powered weaponry.
The days of revolvers and being shot once seem to be a thing of the past.
I come away with that FACT.

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ORIGINAL: BamaD

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ORIGINAL: BlackSinMaster

A good clean murder I feel. After the first bullet, where they were screaming for their life and mercy, it is good to know the pumped them with another six so as to shut the moaning fucker up.

Where did you hear that they were screaming for mercy?
Or are you just assuming that.

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ORIGINAL: Real0ne

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ORIGINAL: Marini

Taze him once, and shoot 7 times?
Come on

There was more than one cop on the scene, the suspect appears to have not been armed.
He was drunk or high or mentally ill.
If he did not go down after being tazed, being shot 7 times is still excessive.

We can go round and round here.
We agree that many people can not control how many shots are fired with automatic weapons pages ago.

If nothing else here, I learned that cops often can't control how many shots are being fired these days, because of the high powered weaponry.
The days of revolvers and being shot once seem to be a thing of the past.
I come away with that FACT.

But this isnt about how many shots were fired, its about the fact that shots were fired in the first place. That cop was in no danger and even if the guy did go for his gun he did not get it, shooting him after the fact with that as an excuse is just that a bullshit excuse to commit murder.

Now if he had the cops gun and another cop wasted him I'd rest my case, but the cop maintained complete control of the gun and there is no video evidence what so ever showing the guys hands near the gun.

Many people who suffer execution by trigger finger rambo are mentally ill and merely resisting arrest.

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ORIGINAL: Marini

quote:

ORIGINAL: Real0ne

quote:

ORIGINAL: Marini

Taze him once, and shoot 7 times?
Come on

There was more than one cop on the scene, the suspect appears to have not been armed.
He was drunk or high or mentally ill.
If he did not go down after being tazed, being shot 7 times is still excessive.

We can go round and round here.
We agree that many people can not control how many shots are fired with automatic weapons pages ago.

If nothing else here, I learned that cops often can't control how many shots are being fired these days, because of the high powered weaponry.
The days of revolvers and being shot once seem to be a thing of the past.
I come away with that FACT.

But this isnt about how many shots were fired, its about the fact that shots were fired in the first place. That cop was in no danger and even if the guy did go for his gun he did not get it, shooting him after the fact with that as an excuse is just that a bullshit excuse to commit murder.

Now if he had the cops gun and another cop wasted him I'd rest my case, but the cop maintained complete control of the gun and there is no video evidence what so ever showing the guys hands near the gun.

Many people who suffer execution by trigger finger rambo are mentally ill and merely resisting arrest.

You certainly have a valid point here.
Thing is charging at an officer, attempting to take his gun/and or magazine, means a high probability that you will get shot these days.
So again, like in my OP, shooting an unarmed suspect 7 times, is excessive.

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ORIGINAL: Marini

quote:

ORIGINAL: Real0ne

quote:

ORIGINAL: Marini

Taze him once, and shoot 7 times?
Come on

There was more than one cop on the scene, the suspect appears to have not been armed.
He was drunk or high or mentally ill.
If he did not go down after being tazed, being shot 7 times is still excessive.

We can go round and round here.
We agree that many people can not control how many shots are fired with automatic weapons pages ago.

If nothing else here, I learned that cops often can't control how many shots are being fired these days, because of the high powered weaponry.
The days of revolvers and being shot once seem to be a thing of the past.
I come away with that FACT.

But this isnt about how many shots were fired, its about the fact that shots were fired in the first place. That cop was in no danger and even if the guy did go for his gun he did not get it, shooting him after the fact with that as an excuse is just that a bullshit excuse to commit murder.

Now if he had the cops gun and another cop wasted him I'd rest my case, but the cop maintained complete control of the gun and there is no video evidence what so ever showing the guys hands near the gun.

Many people who suffer execution by trigger finger rambo are mentally ill and merely resisting arrest.

You certainly have a valid point here.
Thing is charging at an officer, attempting to take his gun/and or magazine, means a high probability that you will get shot these days.
So again, like in my OP, shooting an unarmed suspect 7 times, is excessive.

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ORIGINAL: BlackSinMaster

A good clean murder I feel. After the first bullet, where they were screaming for their life and mercy, it is good to know the pumped them with another six so as to shut the moaning fucker up.

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ORIGINAL: MercTech

Channeling my inner pedant...
This is a magazine

http://cdn2.bigcommerce.com/server300/b7687/products/5020/images/10732/558151__28125.1431973048.500.659.jpg?c=2

This is a clip
http://www.thefirearms.guide/wp-content/uploads/img-clip.jpg

There is no such thing as a clip fed pistol in modern manufacture. Clips are used for military rifles to be able to rapidly reload magazines.

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ORIGINAL: bounty44

i got into a sort of argument with a friend of mine because he didn't like that this particular car guy referred to the engine in a car as a motor. I said it was correct to do so and he insisted otherwise, despite all the evidence to the contrary.

im not versed in guns but my dictionary says a clip is "a magazine for a firearm" and im wondering if its the engine/motor thing again?

although, just found this:

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A magazine is an ammunition storage and feeding device within or attached to a repeating firearm. Magazines can be removable (detachable) or integral to the firearm. The magazine functions by moving the cartridges stored in the magazine into a position where they may be loaded into the chamber by the action of the firearm. The detachable magazine is often referred to as a clip, although this is technically inaccurate.[1][2][3]...

The defining difference between clips and magazines is the presence of a feed mechanism in a magazine, typically a spring-loaded follower, which a clip lacks. A magazine has four parts as follows; a spring, a spring follower, a body and a base. A clip is made of one continuous piece of stamped metal and has no moving parts.Use of the term "clip" to refer to detachable magazines is a point of strong disagreement.[2][7][8][9]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magazine_%28firearms%29

I wonder if in literature, journalism and tv/movies the terms get used interchangeably.