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blnymph -> RE: Far Right Wins Big in German Elections (9/25/2017 5:00:34 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Greta75 ... Suddenly, they have some power of influence now on Merkel's policies. Only in your dreams ...

Greta75 -> RE: Far Right Wins Big in German Elections (9/25/2017 5:07:47 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: blnymph and btw - Germany is neither any safer nor unsafer as a country for women as it was when your expat friends (... und tschüss ...) left. How do I know? I live here. Germany is a big country. Do you live in a region where all the Syrians settled down in? Votes don't lie. Merkel is also saying herself that she will make some changes to win back AFD voters.

Greta75 -> RE: Far Right Wins Big in German Elections (9/25/2017 5:10:04 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: blnymph quote: ORIGINAL: Greta75 ... Suddenly, they have some power of influence now on Merkel's policies. Only in your dreams ... Every single news media is saying that! Not just me. They are estimated to get about 88 seats which is still rather substantial to be able to throw in some weight.

blnymph -> RE: Far Right Wins Big in German Elections (9/25/2017 5:39:57 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Greta75 quote: ORIGINAL: blnymph quote: ORIGINAL: Greta75 ... Suddenly, they have some power of influence now on Merkel's policies. Only in your dreams ... Every single news media is saying that! Not just me. They are estimated to get about 88 seats which is still rather substantial to be able to throw in some weight. Well name your media then ... btw recent figures are 94 seats of a total of 709 (issued by the Bundeswahlleiter, so pretty official). That was of course not taking Frauke Petry's leave into account. So down to 93, and more likely to follow. Still only 12.x % For a majority 355 seats are required. "Jamaica" would have 393, the old CDU/CSU+SPD 397. Simple math - the AfD is pretty marginal, but of course every party want their votes back in the next election. So dream on about the importance of your friends ... I told in another post some time ago I live just round the corner of an refugee home. Syrians and Eritreans. Neighbours I see almost every day - not any trouble then, not any now so far. The majority of them is, apparently, just ordinary people. Not scary. But of course your imaginations know everything better.

Hillwilliam -> RE: Far Right Wins Big in German Elections (9/25/2017 5:50:46 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Greta75 quote: ORIGINAL: blnymph quote: ORIGINAL: Greta75 ... Suddenly, they have some power of influence now on Merkel's policies. Only in your dreams ... Every single news media is saying that! Not just me. They are estimated to get about 88 seats which is still rather substantial to be able to throw in some weight. Like EVERY SINGLE LEFTY WRITER writing about the Myanmar situation? Seriously greta. stop posting utter BULLSHIT

Lucylastic -> RE: Far Right Wins Big in German Elections (9/25/2017 6:02:17 AM)
12 % isnt exactly "power of influence now on Merkel's policies".

JVoV -> RE: Far Right Wins Big in German Elections (9/25/2017 7:36:52 AM)
NM...

NoirMetal -> RE: Far Right Wins Big in German Elections (9/25/2017 11:11:30 AM)
People are tired of the criminal Muslims running amok there under merkel's policies.

MasterObsidiann -> RE: Far Right Wins Big in German Elections (9/25/2017 12:42:33 PM)
On the Eve ~~of the War~~ 4th Term she was resoundly thrashed by the right (sometimes known as Russian bots and Nazi scumbags) to such an extent they installed their leader called Merkel? Perhaps they should lay waste to Russia and claim their natural resources for the Führer land? And they took in over 1 million in less than one year you dim trollop.

MrRodgers -> RE: Far Right Wins Big in German Elections (9/25/2017 2:10:08 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Greta75 Merkel has no choice but to appease that party. Because if she chose Trump way of going against. Nothing gets accomplished. She will be getting nothing done. And it will be endless infighting. Sounds familiar.

MrRodgers -> RE: Far Right Wins Big in German Elections (9/25/2017 2:16:29 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: blnymph Greta, as usual you know hardly anything about what you post: 1) Merkel's parties (CDU/CSU) got about 33 %; so they will remain the strongest party in parliament and form a new coalition. As it stands there is only one option - no, not including your beloved neofascists 2) The CDU and CSU are moderate conservative-liberal parties. 3) The only coalition possible after the results of yesterday's election is what is commonly called "Jamaica": black (CDU/CSU) - yellow (FDP, neoliberal) - green (ecologist-liberal) unless the SPD change their mind about another coalition. 4) Your admired neofascists (AfD) split only hours after election results. Their leading figure and co-leader Frauke Petry left the parliamentary club already (and more likely to follow). 5) There have been numerous neofascist parties in Germany after '45. At times they got elected and had some seats in löcal, state, and federal pariaments. They usually proved to be politically ineffective, lazy, corrupt, and a just a bunch of rogue protesters violently fighting each other. They usually did not get re-elected. The AfD does its best to follow these examples only hours after the election. Good post. So many refuse to learn through just a little research and instead actually make up excuses for their own to do what's called double-down on what one...wants to believe. I do believe that many of Greta's posts are just that, what she wants to believe.

Made2Obey -> RE: Far Right Wins Big in German Elections (9/25/2017 2:25:24 PM)
Just want to say that I find it refreshing that for once politics outside the US are being discussed.

MrRodgers -> RE: Far Right Wins Big in German Elections (9/25/2017 2:40:57 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: MasterObsidiann On the Eve ~~of the War~~ 4th Term she was resoundly thrashed by the right (sometimes known as Russian bots and Nazi scumbags) to such an extent they installed their leader called Merkel? Perhaps they should lay waste to Russia and claim their natural resources for the Führer land? And they took in over 1 million in less than one year you dim trollop. And Merkel's upbringing was as a German communist in E. Germany. (In 1954, when Angela (Merkel) was just three months old, her father received a pastorate at the church in Quitzow (a quarter of Perleberg in Brandenburg), which was then in East Germany. Univ. educ. and PHD in E.Berlin. a real liberal here. Declined a position by refusing to report to the Stasi. Only entered politiics after re-unification then as a free dem party. The Democratic Awakening, then the East East German CDU, then its western counterpart after reunification. Interesting background and now neither a communist or fascist.

Greta75 -> RE: Far Right Wins Big in German Elections (9/25/2017 10:39:44 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Hillwilliam Like EVERY SINGLE LEFTY WRITER writing about the Myanmar situation? Seriously greta. stop posting utter BULLSHIT Lefty Writer writes evil shit about Myammar because they want to protect Muslim. Now Lefty Writer writes doom and gloom about Extreme Right Wing winning big in the Germany Elections because they are worried about their Muslims. Totally inline with everything. Recently, lefty writers are complaining that the Myammar people blocking them from bringing aid to the Rohingyas. The reason is. The Myammar people are very angry that, when the Rohingya murdered and cause sufferings to the Myammar people, none of these aid groups give a shit! And the media reports zero on it. Only when they finally fight back against the Rohingya did the whole world only side the Rohingyas. And completely ignored the plight of the people suffering under the Rohingya presence. They felt the world is bias and only wants to protect Muslims and they refuse to co-operate and be any part of allowing help to get to their attackers. This whole Rohingya incident is gonna be like Palestinians and the Jews for a long long time.

tweakabelle -> RE: Far Right Wins Big in German Elections (9/25/2017 11:43:49 PM)
It was interesting to see Frauke Perty split from the AfD as soon as she was elected to the Federal Parliament. The media here tells us that this is the tip of the iceberg, that the AfD is internally split between a number of factions ranging from neo-Nazis to a moderate faction (of which Perty is the most prominent). Is this true? Our experience here is that far right parties ride populist waves of resentment and often gain as much as 15% of the vote in some rural regions (but never more than that). Once elected they tend to fall apart very quickly through infighting, unqualified candidates and disagreements over a variety of issues. They lose the public's trust as quickly as they gained it. So they are a very short term phenomenon. It looks like your far right loonies are heading in the same direction. So, if our experience is anything to go by, most of the AfD will disappear at the next election if they actually last that long ... fingers crossed ! [;)]

Greta75 -> RE: Far Right Wins Big in German Elections (9/25/2017 11:46:28 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: tweakabelle It was interesting to see Frauke Perty split from the AfD as soon as she was elected to the Federal Parliament. The media here tells us that this is the tip of the iceberg, that the AfD is internally split between a number of factions ranging from neo-Nazis to a moderate faction (of which Perty is the most prominent). Is this true? Yes it is true, all the left can hope of is they can't pull their socks together and form a seriously credible opposition. Right now, they hit a good break through historically. Hit some bumps right after. This to me is no difference from after Brexit, PM of UK resigning and those who were for Brexit, all declined to take over. But a new leader will emerge and step up and hold it together.

tweakabelle -> RE: Far Right Wins Big in German Elections (9/25/2017 11:51:56 PM)
Sorry Greta but my question was directed at blnymph, who has the great advantage of actually knowing what she is talking about. But thank you for your reply anyway. As for its content, all I can say is either read a bit of history and learn what German Fascists are capable of or .... dream on.

Greta75 -> RE: Far Right Wins Big in German Elections (9/25/2017 11:59:36 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: tweakabelle Sorry Greta but my question was directed at blnymph, who has the great advantage of actually knowing what she is talking about. But thank you for your reply anyway. As for its content, all I can say is either read a bit of history and learn what German Fascists are capable of or .... dream on. I find it ironic the germans who do not support merkel are living in Asia and hanging out with Asians, enjoying multi-culturalism and they are the one being accused of being facist. They are the guys who voted AFD. More like left spinning. Also a reason why these guys left Germany because they believe Germany is turning to shit under Merkel. Yet they chose to live in a coloured country over a white country. Hmmm...,what's wrong with the picture here? If we wanna hold their past sins. The democratic party in the US was the party who wanted slavery to stay in the past and now they have transformed into a party who is against slavery. PS: I was reading that 40% of AFD voters were voting AGAINST Merkel. There were so many parties. But interestingly to vote against Merkel, they chose AFD because AFD is the least likely to co-operate with Merkel.

blnymph -> RE: Far Right Wins Big in German Elections (9/26/2017 2:32:49 AM)
I do not have any figures about German expats in Singapore but one might find those in greater numbers in many other countries, from EU countries to overseas, and Singapore has not been the most popular of them. So - my guess - the opinions of a single-digit number of expats might not be really representative of current opinions of a few millions. Voting against Merkel's 4th term was easy - all those not voting CDU/CSU did. There were many options, the AfD was only one of them. They are not the anti-Merkel party, just the noisiest. Merkel nonetheless has many sympathies also among those not voting for her. The simple reason is that she is obviously not raging mad like a few other politicians that make news headlines frequently. It feels reassuring that she is trying to solve problems, not creating new ones on a daily basis. Those of you who favour the mad loonies in politics may celebrate a 12% victory.

Hillwilliam -> RE: Far Right Wins Big in German Elections (9/26/2017 2:49:23 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Greta75 quote: ORIGINAL: Hillwilliam Like EVERY SINGLE LEFTY WRITER writing about the Myanmar situation? Seriously greta. stop posting utter BULLSHIT Lefty Writer writes evil shit about Myammar because they want to protect Muslim. Now Lefty Writer writes doom and gloom about Extreme Right Wing winning big in the Germany Elections because they are worried about their Muslims. Totally inline with everything. Recently, lefty writers are complaining that the Myammar people blocking them from bringing aid to the Rohingyas. The reason is. The Myammar people are very angry that, when the Rohingya murdered and cause sufferings to the Myammar people, none of these aid groups give a shit! And the media reports zero on it. Only when they finally fight back against the Rohingya did the whole world only side the Rohingyas. And completely ignored the plight of the people suffering under the Rohingya presence. They felt the world is bias and only wants to protect Muslims and they refuse to co-operate and be any part of allowing help to get to their attackers. This whole Rohingya incident is gonna be like Palestinians and the Jews for a long long time. And you haven't showed a fucking thing YET.

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