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jlf1961 -> Trump may have handed dems a silver platter.... (9/25/2017 2:14:28 PM)

quote:

18 U.S. Code § 227 - Wrongfully influencing a private entity’s employment decisions by a Member of Congress or an officer or employee of the legislative or executive branch
(a) Whoever, being a covered government person, with the intent to influence, solely on the basis of partisan political affiliation, an employment decision or employment practice of any private entity—
(1) takes or withholds, or offers or threatens to take or withhold, an official act, or
(2) influences, or offers or threatens to influence, the official act of another,
shall be fined under this title or imprisoned for not more than 15 years, or both, and may be disqualified from holding any office of honor, trust, or profit under the United States.
(b) In this section, the term “covered government person” means—
(1) a Senator or Representative in, or a Delegate or Resident Commissioner to, the Congress;
(2) an employee of either House of Congress; or
(3) the President, Vice President, an employee of the United States Postal Service or the Postal Regulatory Commission, or any other executive branch employee (as such term is defined under section 2105 of title 5, United States Code).

read it for yourself.


Trumps words:

“But you know what’s hurting the game more than that? When people like yourselves turn on television and you see those people taking the knee when they are playing our great national anthem. The only thing you could do better is if you see it, even if it’s one player, leave the stadium, I guarantee things will stop. Things will stop. Just pick up and leave. Pick up and leave. Not the same game anymore anyway.”

“Wouldn’t you love to see one of these NFL owners, when somebody disrespects our flag, to say, ‘Get that son of a (expletive) off the field right now. Out. He’s fired. He’s fired!'”

All anyone has to do is that he tried to use the influence and power of his office to effect the employment status of an individual or individuals at a private entity.

Not that I am saying he was wrong, but he might have stuck his foot in it.

As I said before, I would rather them take a knee than to just sit on their asses.

There is one more point to consider, standing during the pledge of allegiance or national anthem is voluntary, as ruled by SCOTUS in 1949.




MrRodgers -> RE: Trump may have handed dems a silver platter.... (9/25/2017 3:02:53 PM)

Seems the first two are right on point...being private is the key, I believe. You could be right but nothing will get past the repubs. They have the votes.

Oh and the '49 SCOTUS ruling will chill NASCAR.




JVoV -> RE: Trump may have handed dems a silver platter.... (9/25/2017 3:30:24 PM)

Do NFL owners have enough pull with GOP Congressmen to get something done?




MrRodgers -> RE: Trump may have handed dems a silver platter.... (9/25/2017 5:26:27 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: JVoV

Do NFL owners have enough pull with GOP Congressmen to get something done?

On rare occasion. What did you have in mind ?




BoscoX -> RE: Trump may have handed dems a silver platter.... (9/25/2017 5:30:50 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: jlf1961

quote:

18 U.S. Code § 227 - Wrongfully influencing a private entity’s employment decisions by a Member of Congress or an officer or employee of the legislative or executive branch
(a) Whoever, being a covered government person, with the intent to influence, solely on the basis of partisan political affiliation, an employment decision or employment practice of any private entity—
(1) takes or withholds, or offers or threatens to take or withhold, an official act, or
(2) influences, or offers or threatens to influence, the official act of another,
shall be fined under this title or imprisoned for not more than 15 years, or both, and may be disqualified from holding any office of honor, trust, or profit under the United States.
(b) In this section, the term “covered government person” means—
(1) a Senator or Representative in, or a Delegate or Resident Commissioner to, the Congress;
(2) an employee of either House of Congress; or
(3) the President, Vice President, an employee of the United States Postal Service or the Postal Regulatory Commission, or any other executive branch employee (as such term is defined under section 2105 of title 5, United States Code).

read it for yourself.


Trumps words:

“But you know what’s hurting the game more than that? When people like yourselves turn on television and you see those people taking the knee when they are playing our great national anthem. The only thing you could do better is if you see it, even if it’s one player, leave the stadium, I guarantee things will stop. Things will stop. Just pick up and leave. Pick up and leave. Not the same game anymore anyway.”

“Wouldn’t you love to see one of these NFL owners, when somebody disrespects our flag, to say, ‘Get that son of a (expletive) off the field right now. Out. He’s fired. He’s fired!'”

All anyone has to do is that he tried to use the influence and power of his office to effect the employment status of an individual or individuals at a private entity.

Not that I am saying he was wrong, but he might have stuck his foot in it.

As I said before, I would rather them take a knee than to just sit on their asses.

There is one more point to consider, standing during the pledge of allegiance or national anthem is voluntary, as ruled by SCOTUS in 1949.


Yeah yeah yeah, a Republicans asking a rhetorical question is a crime, we've heard it all before. Dissent is always a crime to fascist fuckwits like you, isn't it

So fucking typical for trash like you. You scream "Freedom of speech! Freedom of speech!" until it's speech you don't want to hear




MrRodgers -> RE: Trump may have handed dems a silver platter.... (9/25/2017 5:34:59 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: BoscoX

quote:

ORIGINAL: jlf1961

quote:

18 U.S. Code § 227 - Wrongfully influencing a private entity’s employment decisions by a Member of Congress or an officer or employee of the legislative or executive branch
(a) Whoever, being a covered government person, with the intent to influence, solely on the basis of partisan political affiliation, an employment decision or employment practice of any private entity—
(1) takes or withholds, or offers or threatens to take or withhold, an official act, or
(2) influences, or offers or threatens to influence, the official act of another,
shall be fined under this title or imprisoned for not more than 15 years, or both, and may be disqualified from holding any office of honor, trust, or profit under the United States.
(b) In this section, the term “covered government person” means—
(1) a Senator or Representative in, or a Delegate or Resident Commissioner to, the Congress;
(2) an employee of either House of Congress; or
(3) the President, Vice President, an employee of the United States Postal Service or the Postal Regulatory Commission, or any other executive branch employee (as such term is defined under section 2105 of title 5, United States Code).

read it for yourself.


Trumps words:

“But you know what’s hurting the game more than that? When people like yourselves turn on television and you see those people taking the knee when they are playing our great national anthem. The only thing you could do better is if you see it, even if it’s one player, leave the stadium, I guarantee things will stop. Things will stop. Just pick up and leave. Pick up and leave. Not the same game anymore anyway.”

“Wouldn’t you love to see one of these NFL owners, when somebody disrespects our flag, to say, ‘Get that son of a (expletive) off the field right now. Out. He’s fired. He’s fired!'”

All anyone has to do is that he tried to use the influence and power of his office to effect the employment status of an individual or individuals at a private entity.

Not that I am saying he was wrong, but he might have stuck his foot in it.

As I said before, I would rather them take a knee than to just sit on their asses.

There is one more point to consider, standing during the pledge of allegiance or national anthem is voluntary, as ruled by SCOTUS in 1949.


Yeah yeah yeah, a Republicans asking a rhetorical question is a crime, we've heard it all before. Dissent is always a crime to fascist fuckwits like you, isn't it

So fucking typical for trash like you. You scream "Freedom of speech! Freedom of speech!" until it's speech you don't want to hear

Why do you even bother with this bullshit ?




jlf1961 -> RE: Trump may have handed dems a silver platter.... (9/25/2017 6:25:59 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: BoscoX

quote:

ORIGINAL: jlf1961

quote:

18 U.S. Code § 227 - Wrongfully influencing a private entity’s employment decisions by a Member of Congress or an officer or employee of the legislative or executive branch
(a) Whoever, being a covered government person, with the intent to influence, solely on the basis of partisan political affiliation, an employment decision or employment practice of any private entity—
(1) takes or withholds, or offers or threatens to take or withhold, an official act, or
(2) influences, or offers or threatens to influence, the official act of another,
shall be fined under this title or imprisoned for not more than 15 years, or both, and may be disqualified from holding any office of honor, trust, or profit under the United States.
(b) In this section, the term “covered government person” means—
(1) a Senator or Representative in, or a Delegate or Resident Commissioner to, the Congress;
(2) an employee of either House of Congress; or
(3) the President, Vice President, an employee of the United States Postal Service or the Postal Regulatory Commission, or any other executive branch employee (as such term is defined under section 2105 of title 5, United States Code).

read it for yourself.


Trumps words:

“But you know what’s hurting the game more than that? When people like yourselves turn on television and you see those people taking the knee when they are playing our great national anthem. The only thing you could do better is if you see it, even if it’s one player, leave the stadium, I guarantee things will stop. Things will stop. Just pick up and leave. Pick up and leave. Not the same game anymore anyway.”

“Wouldn’t you love to see one of these NFL owners, when somebody disrespects our flag, to say, ‘Get that son of a (expletive) off the field right now. Out. He’s fired. He’s fired!'”

All anyone has to do is that he tried to use the influence and power of his office to effect the employment status of an individual or individuals at a private entity.

Not that I am saying he was wrong, but he might have stuck his foot in it.

As I said before, I would rather them take a knee than to just sit on their asses.

There is one more point to consider, standing during the pledge of allegiance or national anthem is voluntary, as ruled by SCOTUS in 1949.


Yeah yeah yeah, a Republicans asking a rhetorical question is a crime, we've heard it all before. Dissent is always a crime to fascist fuckwits like you, isn't it

So fucking typical for trash like you. You scream "Freedom of speech! Freedom of speech!" until it's speech you don't want to hear


Did you even fucking read what I fucking said you moron?

I mean since Direct TV's NFL package directly benefits the NFL by way of fees paid by Direct tv, after this last weekend, I cancelled my subscription.

And, getting off the bench and taking a knee is a far sight better than sitting on their ass on the bench.

However, they are protesting just one injustice out of god knows how many in this country.




subrob1967 -> RE: Trump may have handed dems a silver platter.... (9/25/2017 6:31:33 PM)

FR
Has any NFL player been fired?
Has and NFL Owner done anything to stop the players from protesting?

Nothing to see here, move along




Musicmystery -> RE: Trump may have handed dems a silver platter.... (9/25/2017 7:20:59 PM)

And for like the 2nd or 3rd time ever, I agree with rob.




jlf1961 -> RE: Trump may have handed dems a silver platter.... (9/25/2017 7:31:28 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: subrob1967

FR
Has any NFL player been fired?
Has and NFL Owner done anything to stop the players from protesting?

Nothing to see here, move along


quote:

ORIGINAL: Musicmystery

And for like the 2nd or 3rd time ever, I agree with rob.



As I said, if they (the dems) try to make a case that his statements was an attempt to use the power of his office to influence the owners.

Of course when you consider the fact that when Trump won an lawsuit against the NFL, he still ended up looking like a jack ass, it is not likely that the NFL owners association, or the NFL itself is going to do anything.




Nnanji -> RE: Trump may have handed dems a silver platter.... (9/25/2017 7:34:12 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: JVoV

Do NFL owners have enough pull with GOP Congressmen to get something done?

Yes, right after Hillary is in jail for her pay to play and unsecured handling of secret documents.




Nnanji -> RE: Trump may have handed dems a silver platter.... (9/25/2017 7:35:36 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: MrRodgers


quote:

ORIGINAL: BoscoX

quote:

ORIGINAL: jlf1961

quote:

18 U.S. Code § 227 - Wrongfully influencing a private entity’s employment decisions by a Member of Congress or an officer or employee of the legislative or executive branch
(a) Whoever, being a covered government person, with the intent to influence, solely on the basis of partisan political affiliation, an employment decision or employment practice of any private entity—
(1) takes or withholds, or offers or threatens to take or withhold, an official act, or
(2) influences, or offers or threatens to influence, the official act of another,
shall be fined under this title or imprisoned for not more than 15 years, or both, and may be disqualified from holding any office of honor, trust, or profit under the United States.
(b) In this section, the term “covered government person” means—
(1) a Senator or Representative in, or a Delegate or Resident Commissioner to, the Congress;
(2) an employee of either House of Congress; or
(3) the President, Vice President, an employee of the United States Postal Service or the Postal Regulatory Commission, or any other executive branch employee (as such term is defined under section 2105 of title 5, United States Code).

read it for yourself.


Trumps words:

“But you know what’s hurting the game more than that? When people like yourselves turn on television and you see those people taking the knee when they are playing our great national anthem. The only thing you could do better is if you see it, even if it’s one player, leave the stadium, I guarantee things will stop. Things will stop. Just pick up and leave. Pick up and leave. Not the same game anymore anyway.”

“Wouldn’t you love to see one of these NFL owners, when somebody disrespects our flag, to say, ‘Get that son of a (expletive) off the field right now. Out. He’s fired. He’s fired!'”

All anyone has to do is that he tried to use the influence and power of his office to effect the employment status of an individual or individuals at a private entity.

Not that I am saying he was wrong, but he might have stuck his foot in it.

As I said before, I would rather them take a knee than to just sit on their asses.

There is one more point to consider, standing during the pledge of allegiance or national anthem is voluntary, as ruled by SCOTUS in 1949.


Yeah yeah yeah, a Republicans asking a rhetorical question is a crime, we've heard it all before. Dissent is always a crime to fascist fuckwits like you, isn't it

So fucking typical for trash like you. You scream "Freedom of speech! Freedom of speech!" until it's speech you don't want to hear

Why do you even bother with this bullshit ?

Obviously!!! Since you don't have the capability to understand.




Nnanji -> RE: Trump may have handed dems a silver platter.... (9/25/2017 7:38:50 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: subrob1967

FR
Has any NFL player been fired?
Has and NFL Owner done anything to stop the players from protesting?

Nothing to see here, move along

Well it seems as if Kap has been fired...sorta. And we know that an NFL guy can slap women around off field as long as he produces on field. So it seems to be the performance on field that matters in order to bring butts into the seats. And, it seems that there might be a boycott abruin so we'll see how that all works out over time.




ThatDizzyChick -> RE: Trump may have handed dems a silver platter.... (9/25/2017 8:48:11 PM)

What "official act" is involved here?




JVoV -> RE: Trump may have handed dems a silver platter.... (9/26/2017 8:05:34 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: ThatDizzyChick

What "official act" is involved here?


Good point. And I didn't catch that.

Trump is just throwing his weight around, trying to influence things. He's not refusing any federal money, or payments.




BoscoX -> RE: Trump may have handed dems a silver platter.... (9/26/2017 8:26:26 AM)


Right

jlf is a wild-eyed howler

Blind as a bat, too

"OMFG!!! THE PRESIDENT ASKED A RHETORICAL QUESTION!!!" [sm=runaway.gif]




jlf1961 -> RE: Trump may have handed dems a silver platter.... (9/26/2017 9:42:42 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: BoscoX


Right

jlf is a wild-eyed howler

Blind as a bat, too

"OMFG!!! THE PRESIDENT ASKED A RHETORICAL QUESTION!!!" [sm=runaway.gif]


Once more, did you not read what the hell I wrote?

I actually have no problem with what President Trump said.

As far as 'official act,' the point is that his statement could easily be twisted to mean he is trying to use the status of his office to coerce some action on the part of professional sports owners to do just that.

Hell a couple of dems have already tried to start impeachment proceedings on a lot less.

The basic thing is, with his tendency to run off at the mouth, or in this case twitter and a speech, he does not seem to think it through. He has managed to get members of his own party pissed at him, and even a team owner that has been a long time supporter, to criticize his statement.

quote:

However, that changed on Sunday when one of Trump's biggest supporters in the NFL -- Robert Kraft -- released a statement saying he was disappointed in the president's comments.

"I am deeply disappointed by the tone of the comments made by the President on Friday," Kraft said. "I am proud to be associated with so many players who make such tremendous contributions in positively impacting our communities. Their efforts, both on and off the field, help bring people together and make our community stronger."


Then add to that, he has tweeted more about the NFL players, as well as other professional athletes, the last three days than matters that should take a hell of a lot more of his time, like the situation in Puerto Rico and the US Virgin Islands.

And, on the topic of Puerto Rico, he points out the territory has a very high debt, poor infrastructure, etc while seemingly oblivious of the fact that, when compared to actual states, US territories receive far less federal funds to deal with infrastructure issues, such as the power grid, and they have no say in Congress, meaning they cannot vote, introduce bills to increase federal spending in the territory etc.

In point of fact, the only areas of the two impacted territories that have a decent power grid are those frequented by tourists, and that was paid for by funding from resort chains to match locally raised funds.

So, while FEMA sent about 700 people to Puerto Rico, and zero people to help get the power and water restored, and little else for the taxes those American citizens pay.

And the one man that could go to congress and say we need to do something is stuck on professional athletes not standing for the national anthem.

Yeah, the players are being assholes, and for all their egos, self indulgent stunts, what the fuck do you expect them to be?

And some dick head in congress is going to use this as one more reason that he is failing to perform the duties as president, and this time they may have a law to base it on, even if it is a stretch.

The point is, that bosco and those like him have missed, is that President Trump already has enough crap going on, a special investigator looking at members of his family and his staff, and already has enough to push an indictment on one former associate, proof the Russians hacked a number of states voting systems, another failure at getting Obamacare repealed, vanishing GOP support because he does not care who the fuck he pisses off, and now this.

And the rise in his approval ratings are already starting to vanish thank to his tweeting.

And I did not have to go looking for that law, hell I didnt know it existed until it popped up on a news feed.

But hey, when in the course of two months two congressman tried to introduce articles of impeachment for far less, and got little support within their party, do you really think that someone else is not going to use this for the same thing?

to be effective in office, a sitting president has to cause as little controversy as possible.

Trump is doing the opposite, and when you look at it, what the hell has it got him?

His healthcare agenda tanked, and looks very likely to tank again.
The support he had in congress if fading, and while he did reach out to the dems, they are not whole heartedly supporting him.
His approval numbers are lower than any other previous president for the same period of their administrations.
His approval ratings with other world leaders is not as high as one would hope, and he keeps trying to one up in insults a leader that is at best, nuts, who happens to have a military that could create a hell of a problem if not trigger a full scale nuclear war.

Then of course, Newsweek released recordings of interviews he did with Howard Stern in which he stated if he did get elected president, he would probably end up shot by blacks. source

The only good thing is that the Washington Post admitted that Trump staffers using private email accounts is not even close to the problems of Hillary's private email server.




Lucylastic -> RE: Trump may have handed dems a silver platter.... (9/26/2017 9:50:18 AM)

I disagree about the NFL, but totally with you on puerto rico, its fucking disgusting.




WhoreMods -> RE: Trump may have handed dems a silver platter.... (9/26/2017 10:09:15 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: Nnanji


quote:

ORIGINAL: JVoV

Do NFL owners have enough pull with GOP Congressmen to get something done?

Yes, right after Hillary is in jail for her pay to play and unsecured handling of secret documents.

Were you complaining about Dubya and his secretary of state doing that, or is it just politicians with a D after their name doing stuff that you find unacceptable?




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