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MrRodgers -> Police now want to hide their work. (9/27/2017 7:57:39 PM)
The head of the Salt Lake Police Association has watched the country's outrage over the videos showing a nurse getting arrested for refusing to draw a man's blood without a warrant and has decided the correct response is to complain that the public got to see what its officers did. Of course they would have loved that video not be shown. The police are not to be accountable to society and need carte blanch to do whatever it is they do. The letter said the union was, at this point, not arguing or even discussing the merits of the allegations raised against the officers. "Rather we are solely concerned... with the 'investigatory process' which we believe has been corrupted." Oh sure, letting the public and any panel see what actually happened always corrupts an investigation. The letter claims the city has not followed an "agreed upon and carefully scripted process" for investigating the conduct of police officers. At the news conference, Hartney focused on if the city should have released the footage so soon under the state's Government Records Access and Management Act (GRAMA), considering the release could have interfered with the internal affairs investigation. The nurse requested the video and she released it...not the hosp. or the city. The release of the body cam footage and information from the disciplinary investigation "has created a public furor which makes reasoned determinations difficult, if not impossible," the letter states. What bullshit. Of course on the contrary, by releasing the video, anyone who sees and hears it can make very reasoned determinations and with no difficulty at all and in fact...much easier. They want to hide the video so the police can lie about what happened, maybe even invent a reason for the arrest. What the video does do is prevent what the right would do...try to denigrate the nurse, look into her record, maybe even her friends and family. And they don't stop there: Yesterday we saw that a North Carolina law exempting body camera footage from public records requests was very clearly being used to try to shield police from exposure of conduct that might expose them to public criticism. As for the victim's consent ? Gray, was unable to consent to Payne's demand for a blood draw, died Monday while still in the hospital. HERE

NoirMetal -> RE: Police now want to hide their work. (9/27/2017 8:31:41 PM)
Fire him forever, and have the bailiff whack his pee pee for good measure.

MercTech -> RE: Police now want to hide their work. (9/27/2017 8:37:29 PM)
Body camera footage should NOT be public record until such time as it is used in a court of law. This prevents preliminary investigative evidence that is not part and parcel of a criminal prosecution from being released to public media creating a violation of a person's privacy.

BamaD -> RE: Police now want to hide their work. (9/27/2017 8:51:54 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: MercTech Body camera footage should NOT be public record until such time as it is used in a court of law. This prevents preliminary investigative evidence that is not part and parcel of a criminal prosecution from being released to public media creating a violation of a person's privacy. Not to mention terminal tainting of the jury pool.

Real0ne -> RE: Police now want to hide their work. (9/27/2017 9:13:36 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: MercTech Body camera footage should NOT be public record until such time as it is used in a court of law. This prevents preliminary investigative evidence that is not part and parcel of a criminal prosecution from being released to public media creating a violation of a person's privacy. Yeh that way they have plenty of time to edit it. All police body cams should be uploaded live on youtube everywhere you go they watch you, but they are special whats the first thing they did on 911, collected to the tune of 15 cams around the pentagon and we only seen 4 frames from a convenient show us shit location, some people never learn

Real0ne -> RE: Police now want to hide their work. (9/27/2017 9:19:31 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: BamaD Not to mention terminal tainting of the jury pool. terminal tainting of the record

MrRodgers -> RE: Police now want to hide their work. (9/27/2017 10:25:26 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: MercTech Body camera footage should NOT be public record until such time as it is used in a court of law. This prevents preliminary investigative evidence that is not part and parcel of a criminal prosecution from being released to public media creating a violation of a person's privacy. Well whatever is 'preliminary investigative evidence,' it damn well should be 'part and parcel of any criminal prosecution.'

Hillwilliam -> RE: Police now want to hide their work. (9/28/2017 2:07:04 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: MercTech Body camera footage should NOT be public record until such time as it is used in a court of law. This prevents preliminary investigative evidence that is not part and parcel of a criminal prosecution from being released to public media creating a violation of a person's privacy. A public servant doing their work in a public location? I disagree. How many times has an officer said "What do you mean I can't search your car, What are you hiding?" Well I say "What do you mean you want your footage under wraps, what are you hiding?" All this will do is increase public mistrust of the police and that is the one thing we do NOT need. If the public trusts the police, they will be more apt to work WITH them. Hell, I'm a middle aged white college educated professional who drives a nice car and I don't trust the fuckers as far as I can throw them and that is based on personal experience, not the media.

BoscoX -> RE: Police now want to hide their work. (9/28/2017 6:05:26 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Hillwilliam A public servant doing their work in a public location? I disagree. How many times has an officer said "What do you mean I can't search your car, What are you hiding?" Well I say "What do you mean you want your footage under wraps, what are you hiding?" All this will do is increase public mistrust of the police and that is the one thing we do NOT need. If the public trusts the police, they will be more apt to work WITH them. Hell, I'm a middle aged white college educated professional who drives a nice car and I don't trust the fuckers as far as I can throw them and that is based on personal experience, not the media. It's easy enough for you fools to demand that others submit to constant audio and video surveillance while at work, isn't it - as if they are convicted criminals That's because you can't see past your own clown noses Also, (this is for thinking people rather than brainless leftist trash) think about the reasons Google blurs faces in their streetviews app

MrRodgers -> RE: Police now want to hide their work. (9/28/2017 9:32:31 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: BoscoX quote: ORIGINAL: Hillwilliam A public servant doing their work in a public location? I disagree. How many times has an officer said "What do you mean I can't search your car, What are you hiding?" Well I say "What do you mean you want your footage under wraps, what are you hiding?" All this will do is increase public mistrust of the police and that is the one thing we do NOT need. If the public trusts the police, they will be more apt to work WITH them. Hell, I'm a middle aged white college educated professional who drives a nice car and I don't trust the fuckers as far as I can throw them and that is based on personal experience, not the media. It's easy enough for you fools to demand that others submit to constant audio and video surveillance while at work, isn't it - as if they are convicted criminals That's because you can't see past your own clown noses Also, (this is for thinking people rather than brainless leftist trash) think about the reasons Google blurs faces in their streetviews app So it wouldn't be brainless rightest trash to make an apples to oranges comparison between law enforcement and all that entails to do the job and Google ? I think it would. That brainless rightest trash can't figure out that for law enforcement to blur faces would be another facet...of hiding something from authorities. It's now becoming obvious the public and yes, the whole public now feel that theses people who work for us, are charged to serve and protect us feel as if the police do not have the right to hide behind either the badge or a blur.

Hillwilliam -> RE: Police now want to hide their work. (9/28/2017 9:53:57 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: BoscoX quote: ORIGINAL: Hillwilliam A public servant doing their work in a public location? I disagree. How many times has an officer said "What do you mean I can't search your car, What are you hiding?" Well I say "What do you mean you want your footage under wraps, what are you hiding?" All this will do is increase public mistrust of the police and that is the one thing we do NOT need. If the public trusts the police, they will be more apt to work WITH them. Hell, I'm a middle aged white college educated professional who drives a nice car and I don't trust the fuckers as far as I can throw them and that is based on personal experience, not the media. It's easy enough for you fools to demand that others submit to constant audio and video surveillance while at work, isn't it - as if they are convicted criminals That's because you can't see past your own clown noses Also, (this is for thinking people rather than brainless leftist trash) think about the reasons Google blurs faces in their streetviews app I work in a bonded warehouse so I am under constant video surveillance from multiple angles. This protects me when someone ELSE does something wrong. Sorry dumbass

MercTech -> RE: Police now want to hide their work. (9/28/2017 10:37:33 AM)
Surveillance of a public place is different from police body cameras and dashboard cameras. Body and dashboard cams are documentation of official interactions with individuals and should be held confidential until such time as they become public record by introduction into court proceedings. Cameras in public spaces are very PUBLIC. I like the fact you can get a live feed off public park cameras here. Hey, it isn't crowded. Let's have a picnic and take the dogs! My buddy Don checks out his grandkids Little League practice from work. As taxpayers, we are paying for it, why shouldn't we get use of it. But, a cop doing a sobriety check on some bozo is not something to be plastered on some Blogger's vitriol rant unless the guy is found guilty of something in a court. A police officer has a duty to certain checks on members of the public as part of his job. I'm in favor of evidentiary recordings of such interactions. But, the footage is privileged and should not be released outside of official business without the express consent of persons in the footage. Once it is used as evidence, it becomes part of a public record in the body of the court proceedings and should be released by a Freedom of Information request. Evidence found in an investigation or evidence in a case never prosecuted is NOT public record and should be held confidential and for official use only. Editing video is easy. But, editing video and not leaving watermarks that the footage has been edited is very very difficult. Online streaming does not contain the metadata that a file containing raw footage does. This is why internet postings can be a good investigative tool but would not stand up as court evidence. You need the raw original to certify provenance. This is why you can make shit inflammatory but the court ends up finding facts showing the complete opposite of first impressions. Mainstream Media has a history of creative edits to change the impression of what was said. A forensic examination of raw footage betrays the creative editing. Nope, not buying into the Police hiding work meme. Protecting from impression dysphoria queering an investigation fits facts better.

MasterObsidiann -> RE: Police now want to hide their work. (9/28/2017 10:45:51 AM)
You should have further argued if that is the case then no-one should be remanded in custody until the Runaway Jury have decided. Like you I believe the body cam footage should immediately be made public record.

Hillwilliam -> RE: Police now want to hide their work. (9/28/2017 10:56:05 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: MercTech Surveillance of a public place is different from police body cameras and dashboard cameras. Body and dashboard cams are documentation of official interactions with individuals and should be held confidential until such time as they become public record by introduction into court proceedings. Cameras in public spaces are very PUBLIC. I like the fact you can get a live feed off public park cameras here. Hey, it isn't crowded. Let's have a picnic and take the dogs! My buddy Don checks out his grandkids Little League practice from work. As taxpayers, we are paying for it, why shouldn't we get use of it. But, a cop doing a sobriety check on some bozo is not something to be plastered on some Blogger's vitriol rant unless the guy is found guilty of something in a court. A police officer has a duty to certain checks on members of the public as part of his job. I'm in favor of evidentiary recordings of such interactions. But, the footage is privileged and should not be released outside of official business without the express consent of persons in the footage. Once it is used as evidence, it becomes part of a public record in the body of the court proceedings and should be released by a Freedom of Information request. Evidence found in an investigation or evidence in a case never prosecuted is NOT public record and should be held confidential and for official use only. Editing video is easy. But, editing video and not leaving watermarks that the footage has been edited is very very difficult. Online streaming does not contain the metadata that a file containing raw footage does. This is why internet postings can be a good investigative tool but would not stand up as court evidence. You need the raw original to certify provenance. This is why you can make shit inflammatory but the court ends up finding facts showing the complete opposite of first impressions. Mainstream Media has a history of creative edits to change the impression of what was said. A forensic examination of raw footage betrays the creative editing. Nope, not buying into the Police hiding work meme. Protecting from impression dysphoria queering an investigation fits facts better. If they do make the recordings confidential, they can forget about public trust forever.

WhoreMods -> RE: Police now want to hide their work. (9/28/2017 12:46:25 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: MasterObsidiann You should have further argued if that is the case then no-one should be remanded in custody until the Runaway Jury have decided. Like you I believe the body cam footage should immediately be made public record. It'd certainly immediately clarify any doubts about improper arrest procedure, wouldn't it?

ThatDizzyChick -> RE: Police now want to hide their work. (9/28/2017 2:14:49 PM)
quote: All police body cams should be uploaded live on youtube maybe the only good idea you have ever come up with.

ThatDizzyChick -> RE: Police now want to hide their work. (9/28/2017 2:16:40 PM)
quote: Not to mention terminal tainting of the jury pool. Interesting, allowing the people to see what actually happened without having some lawyer interpret it for them is "tainting"? What happened to "We the people"? When did it become "We the lawyers"?

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