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So Peon commented on something going on in the U.S. ? Big fucking deal. Whatever happens in America at this time, affects the rest of the world and as such, I would sat that gives him every right to comment.
GL............If you think that Nazi Germany's government was efficient, it's small wonder you are Gung-Ho for trump, maybe you should learn to read something past ' The Loveable Spot' .........it was probably the most inefficient, top-heavy and corrupt government unhung, with people like you put into positions they didn't have the expertise or qualifications for. Anyway, How dare YOU, an American, comment on the government of another country. like Nazi Germany ?
I've been many times to your country; how many times have you been to mine or Peon's ? Or any other country in this big wide world ?
As he might say, " Wanker" and if he didn't, I do.

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ORIGINAL: LadyDemura

Why not just a 100% net worth tax on all net worth over $100,000? That would actually resolve everything...even if the decimal point was moved, but why again should anyone be allowed to have more than the majority of people combined? Net worth tax is the way to go...take it all from the rich people, and maybe then the poor whites might agree to it???

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ORIGINAL: Dvr22999874
So Peon commented on something going on in the U.S. ? Big fucking deal. Whatever happens in America at this time, affects the rest of the world and as such, I would sat that gives him every right to comment.
GL............If you think that Nazi Germany's government was efficient, it's small wonder you are Gung-Ho for trump, maybe you should learn to read something past ' The Loveable Spot' .........it was probably the most inefficient, top-heavy and corrupt government unhung, with people like you put into positions they didn't have the expertise or qualifications for. Anyway, How dare YOU, an American, comment on the government of another country. like Nazi Germany ?
I've been many times to your country; how many times have you been to mine or Peon's ? Or any other country in this big wide world ?
As he might say, " Wanker" and if he didn't, I do.

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ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri

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ORIGINAL: Dvr22999874
So Peon commented on something going on in the U.S. ? Big fucking deal. Whatever happens in America at this time, affects the rest of the world and as such, I would sat that gives him every right to comment.
GL............If you think that Nazi Germany's government was efficient, it's small wonder you are Gung-Ho for trump, maybe you should learn to read something past ' The Loveable Spot' .........it was probably the most inefficient, top-heavy and corrupt government unhung, with people like you put into positions they didn't have the expertise or qualifications for. Anyway, How dare YOU, an American, comment on the government of another country. like Nazi Germany ?
I've been many times to your country; how many times have you been to mine or Peon's ? Or any other country in this big wide world ?
As he might say, " Wanker" and if he didn't, I do.

Many on here went batshit (and are still on about it) about the Russians meddling with the US election. Many non-US Americans argue with US Americans over politics, using a persuasive style. In essence, those non-US Americans are also attempting to meddle with the US Election (arguing over the merits of the candidates), and with internal politics of the USA.

Apparently, it's okay when they meddle, but not when others meddle. [:D]

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ORIGINAL: WhoreMods

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ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri

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ORIGINAL: Dvr22999874
So Peon commented on something going on in the U.S. ? Big fucking deal. Whatever happens in America at this time, affects the rest of the world and as such, I would sat that gives him every right to comment.
GL............If you think that Nazi Germany's government was efficient, it's small wonder you are Gung-Ho for trump, maybe you should learn to read something past ' The Loveable Spot' .........it was probably the most inefficient, top-heavy and corrupt government unhung, with people like you put into positions they didn't have the expertise or qualifications for. Anyway, How dare YOU, an American, comment on the government of another country. like Nazi Germany ?
I've been many times to your country; how many times have you been to mine or Peon's ? Or any other country in this big wide world ?
As he might say, " Wanker" and if he didn't, I do.

Many on here went batshit (and are still on about it) about the Russians meddling with the US election. Many non-US Americans argue with US Americans over politics, using a persuasive style. In essence, those non-US Americans are also attempting to meddle with the US Election (arguing over the merits of the candidates), and with internal politics of the USA.
Apparently, it's okay when they meddle, but not when others meddle. [:D]

I think that analogy is a bit strained, if we're honest: it isn't like any of the non-US citizens on here attempted to influence your last election by hacking into government servers, is it?

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ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri

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ORIGINAL: WhoreMods

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ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri

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ORIGINAL: Dvr22999874
So Peon commented on something going on in the U.S. ? Big fucking deal. Whatever happens in America at this time, affects the rest of the world and as such, I would sat that gives him every right to comment.
GL............If you think that Nazi Germany's government was efficient, it's small wonder you are Gung-Ho for trump, maybe you should learn to read something past ' The Loveable Spot' .........it was probably the most inefficient, top-heavy and corrupt government unhung, with people like you put into positions they didn't have the expertise or qualifications for. Anyway, How dare YOU, an American, comment on the government of another country. like Nazi Germany ?
I've been many times to your country; how many times have you been to mine or Peon's ? Or any other country in this big wide world ?
As he might say, " Wanker" and if he didn't, I do.

Many on here went batshit (and are still on about it) about the Russians meddling with the US election. Many non-US Americans argue with US Americans over politics, using a persuasive style. In essence, those non-US Americans are also attempting to meddle with the US Election (arguing over the merits of the candidates), and with internal politics of the USA.
Apparently, it's okay when they meddle, but not when others meddle. [:D]

I think that analogy is a bit strained, if we're honest: it isn't like any of the non-US citizens on here attempted to influence your last election by hacking into government servers, is it?

If we're honest, the analogy is a shit-ton strained (which was the point and is why I used the emoji right after it).

Just because someone didn't go to the same extremes as another (or others) doesn't mean that someone wasn't meddling. Since purchasing ads on Facebook and hiring social network specialists in an attempt to influence the election wasn't as bad as hacking into the DNC servers, does that mean it wasn't meddling in the election?

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And it wont stop any of us from posting, no matter what you think or say.

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ORIGINAL: WhoreMods
The comparison is spurious because one case is legal (being a form of political advertising) and the other isn't.
(That's a much better "...but So and So!" than most can manage on here, mind.)

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ORIGINAL: WhoreMods
All true, sadly. For myself, I find it very hard to take the ranting and raving about the emails at all seriously as the trumptooners, neocons and other alt.rightists who were complaining about Clinton doing that did not appear to give a flying fuck when it was not just a secretary of state but also a president and his veep illegally and unconstitutionally running government business from private email servers. Given that the main difference between Clinton and Powell is the letter after their name, it's impossible not to view that as anything other than a double standard involving the rule of law only applying to the other party.

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Powell's and Clinton's use of personal email — and the systems that they set up — differed. The Inspector General's report cites an explanation from Powell's autobiography, in which he writes that he "installed a computer on a private line" that was used for his personal email account, which he used to send messages to "principal assistants, individual ambassadors and foreign minister colleagues."

In an interview on ABC News' "This Week" in March 2015, Powell told George Stephanopoulos that while he didn't store any of his emails, "in fact, a lot of the emails that came out of my personal account went into the State Department system. They were addressed to State Department employees and the State.gov domain. But I don't know if the servers the State Department captured those or not."

The biggest difference between Powell's and Clinton's usage was that she had a completely separate server to house and store her emails, whereas Powell used only a separate email account.


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As for the other, I'd suspect it's impossible for el presidente not to be in on it, but as it isn't something that makes him look good, he'll not accept any responsibility for it at all, and any staffers it can actually be proven about will be required to take one for the team.

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to the OP....
every "tax cut" since reagan has only accomplished really one thing..... make the already wealthy more so.
the economy doesn't improve because the money at the top doesn't go anywhere, the wealthy just invest in themselves, bank it, or buy foreign goods like BMW's and there's no incentive whatsoever to do otherwise. Ether way the wealthy don't use the tax cut to improve the American GDP.

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The BMW US Manufacturing Company, also known as BMW Spartanburg, is a vehicle assembly facility for BMW Group and is located in Spartanburg, South Carolina;[3] it is BMW's only assembly plant in the United States. The plant is currently BMW's sole global production site for X3, X4, X5, and X6 crossover SUVs whose biggest market is the U.S., while other BMW models sold in the U.S. market are imported.

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BMW announced in 1992 that it would build a 1,150-acre (4.7 km2) manufacturing facility in Spartanburg County, South Carolina, United States to strengthen its international production system. The plant opened in 1994.[4]

The $2.2 billion plant, which employs 8,800, is one of the company’s global five-plant production network.

The automaker announced in 2014 an additional $1 billion investment in the facility that will make Spartanburg, South Carolina BMW's largest US factory, with an annual capacity of 450,000 units[5] when including the X7.[6] There were 364,000 vehicles produced in 2014, of which 70% were exported to 140 countries.[4] The plant is second only to the plant in Dingolfing, Germany in BMW vehicle production.

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the money at the middle and lower classes gets spent to pay down what they already owe, so there really no way for them to pump up the economy with new spending.
even if "john q. middleclass" goes out and buys a new car with his $1000.00 tax cut, he's just plunged himself into $20K+ more debt. Again the economy doesn't go anywhere.
when rump first rolled out this "tax cut plan" during the campaign, it had the scrutiny of every economist on the planet..... they all pointed out his plan exponentially blew up the national debt.
so far Ive seen nothing that sway's that conclusion away from the current "plan".
If in no place there a stipulation that any amount of tax cut the wealthy or big corporations gets has to be spent on job creation, the purchase of "made in America" goods (the parent company cannot be outside the USA) or invest in USA companies, (again, the parent company cannot be outside the USA)
Then America will be right back where it was in 2008, only worse, and the table is already being set for it.

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ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri
I highly disagree that it's impossible for Trump to not have been in on it. None of the primary actors in this drama strike me as upright and completely open and honest. I can see them doing shit without Trump's knowledge.

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to the OP....
every "tax cut" since reagan has only accomplished really one thing..... make the already wealthy more so.
the economy doesn't improve because the money at the top doesn't go anywhere, the wealthy just invest in themselves, bank it, or buy foreign goods like BMW's and there's no incentive whatsoever to do otherwise. Ether way the wealthy don't use the tax cut to improve the American GDP.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BMW_US_Manufacturing_Company

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The BMW US Manufacturing Company, also known as BMW Spartanburg, is a vehicle assembly facility for BMW Group and is located in Spartanburg, South Carolina;[3] it is BMW's only assembly plant in the United States. The plant is currently BMW's sole global production site for X3, X4, X5, and X6 crossover SUVs whose biggest market is the U.S., while other BMW models sold in the U.S. market are imported.

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BMW announced in 1992 that it would build a 1,150-acre (4.7 km2) manufacturing facility in Spartanburg County, South Carolina, United States to strengthen its international production system. The plant opened in 1994.[4]

The $2.2 billion plant, which employs 8,800, is one of the company’s global five-plant production network.

The automaker announced in 2014 an additional $1 billion investment in the facility that will make Spartanburg, South Carolina BMW's largest US factory, with an annual capacity of 450,000 units[5] when including the X7.[6] There were 364,000 vehicles produced in 2014, of which 70% were exported to 140 countries.[4] The plant is second only to the plant in Dingolfing, Germany in BMW vehicle production.

BMW's second largest production plan is in the US. How much you want to bet they hire American workers? How much you want to bet lots of money is spent in the US because that plant is there? Or, is it simply about a nameplate? Don't forget that Chrysler/Jeep/Dodge is own by Fiat, a non-American car company. So, according to your illogic, anyone purchasing one of those cars isn't improving the American GDP, either. Oh, and it was owned by Daimler prior to that. And plenty of vehicles are made in Canadia [sic], which, isn't in the good ol' US of A, either. The Dodge salesman tried to hook my Dad into buying a Dodge Charger instead of a Toyota (which my Dad was only using as leverage; he was reliving his youth in buying the Charger) by using the "foreign car" strategy. Not surprisingly enough, my Mom's Toyota and the Toyota he was using as leverage were actually made in Ohio, while the Charger was made in Canada, making the Charger, the "foreign" car, not the Toyota's.

So much for not improving the American GDP.

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the money at the middle and lower classes gets spent to pay down what they already owe, so there really no way for them to pump up the economy with new spending.
even if "john q. middleclass" goes out and buys a new car with his $1000.00 tax cut, he's just plunged himself into $20K+ more debt. Again the economy doesn't go anywhere.
when rump first rolled out this "tax cut plan" during the campaign, it had the scrutiny of every economist on the planet..... they all pointed out his plan exponentially blew up the national debt.
so far Ive seen nothing that sway's that conclusion away from the current "plan".
If in no place there a stipulation that any amount of tax cut the wealthy or big corporations gets has to be spent on job creation, the purchase of "made in America" goods (the parent company cannot be outside the USA) or invest in USA companies, (again, the parent company cannot be outside the USA)
Then America will be right back where it was in 2008, only worse, and the table is already being set for it.

All you're doing is bitching about how much one group is getting in cuts in comparison to how much another group is getting in cuts. Fucking waa. If a family is getting a tax cut, they'll have more of their own money to spend as they so choose. How is that NOT great?!? And, as far as people using tax cuts to spend down the debt they already owe goes, perhaps they shouldn't have overspent (and, I do admit, grudgingly, that i am fighting that very demon in my own life, so, I get it).

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ORIGINAL: LadyDemura

Why not just a 100% net worth tax on all net worth over $100,000? That would actually resolve everything...even if the decimal point was moved, but why again should anyone be allowed to have more than the majority of people combined? Net worth tax is the way to go...take it all from the rich people, and maybe then the poor whites might agree to it???

Well, because no one could retire, no one could own land, no one could own a farm, no one could own a business, in fact, at $100,000, no one could own a house.

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ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri
I highly disagree that it's impossible for Trump to not have been in on it. None of the primary actors in this drama strike me as upright and completely open and honest. I can see them doing shit without Trump's knowledge.

We'll have to agree to disagree on that, then: I can't see the control freaky little shit letting anybody pull stuff like that without him knowing about it.