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MrRodgers -> Facebook, democratic elections...and you. (9/30/2017 4:54:24 PM)

Can cyber technology undermine election laws ?

Allegations that Russian propagandists used the platform (Facebook) to interfere with the presidential election were initially described by Mark Zuckerberg, Facebook’s boss, as a “pretty crazy idea”. But a string of revelations have put the company on the backfoot, most recently, that Russian companies, some with Kremlin ties, had purchased $150,000 worth of political adverts.

The agency entrusted with protecting elections and policing campaign finance is the Federal Election Commission (FEC), known by some as the “failure to enforce commission."

At the FEC:

Four votes are needed to change anything, and the Republican commissioners are usually opposed to the very idea of campaign-finance regulation. Don McGahn, a former FEC commissioner who is now the White House counsel, has said “I plead guilty as charged” to “not enforcing the law as Congress passed it”. In 2006 commissioners were deadlocked on just 3% of substantive votes on enforcement cases; in 2016 that share rose to 30% of cases.

“Do we want Vladimir Putin or drug cartels to be influencing American elections?” asked Ann Ravel, a former Democratic commissioner, at a meeting of the FEC back in October 2015. The commission voted to do nothing. Ms Ravel later resigned from her post in February, disgusted by its “dysfunction and deadlock."

Facebook says it will self police but others may not. However, nobody can find out anything as the co. releases few details needed to do any evaluation.

Even after Facebook has taken action against 30,000 fake accounts in France, it provides nothing to confirm that. Efforts to extract more information have proven fruitless: a spokesperson would not discuss the number of employees working on the effort (calling it a “personnel matter”) or when the project began.

This has attracted the interest of Congress and of Robert Mueller, the special counsel investigating Russian interference. Yet Facebook, despite being accused of something so serious, will probably be allowed to police itself, for now.

Will a subpoena be enforceable here ?

A proper fix would need legislation. Senators Mark Warner and Amy Klobuchar are drumming up support for a future bill which would require disclosure of ad content, cost, targets and information on who paid. This seems sensible. Elections are rather important to democracy. They should be protected by more than benevolent self-regulation by Silicon Valley.

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GabrielLogos -> RE: Facebook, democratic elections...and you. (9/30/2017 5:30:41 PM)

$150,000? That's all? How many millions did PACs throw into advertising in that election? Hillary's PACs alone spent $1.2 Billion.
How the hell is $150,000 even going to be noticed against that?
Reality check time.




MrRodgers -> RE: Facebook, democratic elections...and you. (9/30/2017 8:06:14 PM)


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ORIGINAL: GabrielLogos

$150,000? That's all? How many millions did PACs throw into advertising in that election? Hillary's PACs alone spent $1.2 Billion.
How the hell is $150,000 even going to be noticed against that?
Reality check time.

True enough but cyber influence to suggest a term is in its infancy with these attacks and will only blow up if not addressed

I did read also that there was a concentration of activity on Facebook and many others of their own creation in PA. Mich and I think Minn which in itself was particularly strong in rural providers and all three went to Trump by 1.2 % or less and that...had never happened before.

The bigger question is that all of those billion$ you mentioned could end up going into cyber manipulation with not 100's or 1000's of fake news accounts...but millions and could be a much bigger bang for the buck as they say.

They work too when one considers that it actually got an armed man to a pizza parlor...ready to kill.




Real0ne -> RE: Facebook, democratic elections...and you. (10/1/2017 6:57:05 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: MrRodgers

Can cyber technology undermine election laws ?

Allegations that Russian propagandists used the platform (Facebook) to interfere with the presidential election were initially described by Mark Zuckerberg, Facebook’s boss, as a “pretty crazy idea”. But a string of revelations have put the company on the backfoot, most recently, that Russian companies, some with Kremlin ties, had purchased $150,000 worth of political adverts.

The agency entrusted with protecting elections and policing campaign finance is the Federal Election Commission (FEC), known by some as the “failure to enforce commission."

At the FEC:

Four votes are needed to change anything, and the Republican commissioners are usually opposed to the very idea of campaign-finance regulation. Don McGahn, a former FEC commissioner who is now the White House counsel, has said “I plead guilty as charged” to “not enforcing the law as Congress passed it”. In 2006 commissioners were deadlocked on just 3% of substantive votes on enforcement cases; in 2016 that share rose to 30% of cases.

“Do we want Vladimir Putin or drug cartels to be influencing American elections?” asked Ann Ravel, a former Democratic commissioner, at a meeting of the FEC back in October 2015. The commission voted to do nothing. Ms Ravel later resigned from her post in February, disgusted by its “dysfunction and deadlock."

Facebook says it will self police but others may not. However, nobody can find out anything as the co. releases few details needed to do any evaluation.

Even after Facebook has taken action against 30,000 fake accounts in France, it provides nothing to confirm that. Efforts to extract more information have proven fruitless: a spokesperson would not discuss the number of employees working on the effort (calling it a “personnel matter”) or when the project began.

This has attracted the interest of Congress and of Robert Mueller, the special counsel investigating Russian interference. Yet Facebook, despite being accused of something so serious, will probably be allowed to police itself, for now.

Will a subpoena be enforceable here ?

A proper fix would need legislation. Senators Mark Warner and Amy Klobuchar are drumming up support for a future bill which would require disclosure of ad content, cost, targets and information on who paid. This seems sensible. Elections are rather important to democracy. They should be protected by more than benevolent self-regulation by Silicon Valley.

HERE



scawoosh! there goes the internet!

democracy is delusion




MrRodgers -> RE: Facebook, democratic elections...and you. (10/1/2017 8:24:21 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: Real0ne

quote:

ORIGINAL: MrRodgers

Can cyber technology undermine election laws ?

Allegations that Russian propagandists used the platform (Facebook) to interfere with the presidential election were initially described by Mark Zuckerberg, Facebook’s boss, as a “pretty crazy idea”. But a string of revelations have put the company on the backfoot, most recently, that Russian companies, some with Kremlin ties, had purchased $150,000 worth of political adverts.

The agency entrusted with protecting elections and policing campaign finance is the Federal Election Commission (FEC), known by some as the “failure to enforce commission."

At the FEC:

Four votes are needed to change anything, and the Republican commissioners are usually opposed to the very idea of campaign-finance regulation. Don McGahn, a former FEC commissioner who is now the White House counsel, has said “I plead guilty as charged” to “not enforcing the law as Congress passed it”. In 2006 commissioners were deadlocked on just 3% of substantive votes on enforcement cases; in 2016 that share rose to 30% of cases.

“Do we want Vladimir Putin or drug cartels to be influencing American elections?” asked Ann Ravel, a former Democratic commissioner, at a meeting of the FEC back in October 2015. The commission voted to do nothing. Ms Ravel later resigned from her post in February, disgusted by its “dysfunction and deadlock."

Facebook says it will self police but others may not. However, nobody can find out anything as the co. releases few details needed to do any evaluation.

Even after Facebook has taken action against 30,000 fake accounts in France, it provides nothing to confirm that. Efforts to extract more information have proven fruitless: a spokesperson would not discuss the number of employees working on the effort (calling it a “personnel matter”) or when the project began.

This has attracted the interest of Congress and of Robert Mueller, the special counsel investigating Russian interference. Yet Facebook, despite being accused of something so serious, will probably be allowed to police itself, for now.

Will a subpoena be enforceable here ?

A proper fix would need legislation. Senators Mark Warner and Amy Klobuchar are drumming up support for a future bill which would require disclosure of ad content, cost, targets and information on who paid. This seems sensible. Elections are rather important to democracy. They should be protected by more than benevolent self-regulation by Silicon Valley.

HERE



scawoosh! there goes the internet!

democracy is delusion


It was sometime before W95 and on a $2,200 PS2 (yes and even with a 15% IBM discount) I saw the future of the WWW soon reduced to a profit center, the beginning of the end of print journalism as we knew it and otherwise...ripe for bullshit. I have been proven basically correct.

There was talk of an Web II reserved for science and academics. We'll see but I am not holding my breath.




DaddySatyr -> RE: Facebook, democratic elections...and you. (10/1/2017 10:12:20 AM)


Since when did advertising become "hacking". I was always taught if you have enough money, you can advertise about anything you want, within reason.

Were these Russian advertisements exposing some uncomfortable truths about Cunt Clinton? Gee. That's a shame. I think the electorate should be as uninformed as possible. Don't you?



Michael




Nnanji -> RE: Facebook, democratic elections...and you. (10/1/2017 10:22:27 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: DaddySatyr


Since when did advertising become "hacking". I was always taught if you have enough money, you can advertise about anything you want, within reason.

Were these Russian advertisements exposing some uncomfortable truths about Cunt Clinton? Gee. That's a shame. I think the electorate should be as uninformed as possible. Don't you?



Michael


It's a tin foil hat thing.




Drakvampire -> RE: Facebook, democratic elections...and you. (10/1/2017 12:50:14 PM)

I am obviously dealing with thicko’s and those keen to lap up jobbies everywhere and those who lack clarity and the truth.

1000s of accounts and bots with millions of followers. All targeted with pushing one narrative. Trump is thy lord, and [Word removed], Muslims, Hillary is the enemy, and Russia our friend: probably for arse raping purposes, when their sonic hedgehog agents aren’t busy trying to turn the American Cuban Embassy staff brains to mush – not that it would take much.

Russia installed their preferred candidate and influence the Amerian election to the tune of millions of votes – aided by the trolls farms and bots and the RWNJ sites and trump and his team pushing all the Russians stories as defacto truth.

And exactly how is that working out for most of you lot?




DaddySatyr -> RE: Facebook, democratic elections...and you. (10/1/2017 2:10:20 PM)


Reported, again.




ThatDizzyChick -> RE: Facebook, democratic elections...and you. (10/1/2017 2:28:09 PM)

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Can cyber technology undermine election laws ?

Duh!




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