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JVoV -> RE: Las Vegas shooting unfolding now (10/6/2017 12:07:39 PM)

HB, Most sex workers have rough lives. How many do you know? How many have you been friends with, or made an attempt to watch out for with your mad ninja skills?




Nnanji -> RE: Las Vegas shooting unfolding now (10/6/2017 12:08:17 PM)


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Whatever-- she said she wasn't a pro domme, I said okay, fine... and then that's all there is to it.
I've noticed that nobody has actually argued that sex work (or even promiscuity) doesn't make you a bigger target for creeps.

It makes sense to me that if you're seeing a lot of people sexually, you're more likely to run across someone who wants to have you all to themselves and won't take no for an answer.

I get we all need to fall in line with liberal thought on every single issue, but it just seems like common sense to me.
That isn't to say it can't happen to monogamous people as well, either.

No one is discussing the point about sex workers because none of us are sex workers yet we are trying to educate you on why average people might have concerns about their safety in average situations.

So far your comments have implied that people who fear for their safety are ones who choose to live in unsafe conditions, and they bring it on themselves by choosing a profession that attracts it. And you called (wrongly) someone a prostitute while doing so.

Deny it all you want, but you are victim blaming and you are clueless as to the experiences of A LOT of people. As they say, ignorance is bliss. You are showing just how blissfully unaware you are in this thread.


No, I am not implying that.

First of all, on a forum full of pro dommes, it's actually upsetting when I believe someone to be a pro domme?
So what, 'pro domme' is an insult now?
I guess the whole 'glorified prostitute' thing might have been a bit much, but what exactly is wrong with being a prostitute?

When I thought that LP was a pro, I thought 'okay, it makes sense that she would run across monstrous giant stalkers with combat training who stalk her'... because she would meet so many people and interact with them in a sexual way.

So living in unsafe conditions DOESN'T make you less safe??? If you feel safe and you live in a safe place, then why all the anecdotes about walking to your car at night? You are walking to your car at night in a safe place, yet you feel unsafe-- so are you the problem or is it the place?

Or are you trying to say that there isn't a single place in the world where a woman can feel safe walking to her car at night?
Yeah, I don't get it. Maybe you think we all need to live in a world of 'shoulds' but the world isn't like that... at least not yet.

So anyways, I guess you are in favor of everyone owning a gun, except of course whoever it is that is lurking in the shadows of every single parking lot/parking garage in the world?



LMAO. Hand caught in the cookie jar but tell mumsey it wasn't really you.




Wayward5oul -> RE: Las Vegas shooting unfolding now (10/6/2017 12:11:05 PM)


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First of all, on a forum full of pro dommes, it's actually upsetting when I believe someone to be a pro domme?

Who on this forum is a pro domme?

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So what, 'pro domme' is an insult now?

No, but you made it an issue by implying that she was one and that was why she felt unsafe. So you were victim blaming.

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I guess the whole 'glorified prostitute' thing might have been a bit much,

Gee, ya think?
Luckily LadyPact is a very logical, rational person and didn't take offense. But that doesn't mean you weren't being offensive.

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but what exactly is wrong with being a prostitute?

Nothing. You are the one using it to counter her argument and made it sound like an insult.

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When I thought that LP was a pro, I thought 'okay, it makes sense that she would run across monstrous giant stalkers with combat training who stalk her'... because she would meet so many people and interact with them in a sexual way.


And you were wrong on both counts. She is not a pro domme, and that is not how she ended up being stalked.

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So living in unsafe conditions DOESN'T make you less safe??? If you feel safe and you live in a safe place, then why all the anecdotes about walking to your car at night? You are walking to your car at night in a safe place, yet you feel unsafe-- so are you the problem or is it the place?


I never said I lived in unsafe conditions. But you are beyond naive to think that there are any completely safe places for everyone. When a woman gets attacked somewhere where she thought she was completely safe, would you blame her for not knowing better? Because I promise you, lots of woman are attacked every year in places they thought they were completely safe in.

I thought I was safe on a college campus when I was stalked and my roommate was raped in our university apartment by a stranger who had been hiding in the building. We had security in the building, key card access and were on the 8th floor. She was in the apartment with the door locked. Did she have any reason to feel unsafe?

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Or are you trying to say that there isn't a single place in the world where a woman can feel safe walking to her car at night?


See above. A woman never knows where danger lies. That's the point. I could give you more personal examples.

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Yeah, I don't get it. Maybe you think we all need to live in a world of 'shoulds' but the world isn't like that... at least not yet.


As a man, there are a lot of shoulds that you will never have to consider.

Hell, even Nnanji admits to being aware enough that when he sees women walking at night, he understands concerns they may have about coming across men, so he crosses to the other side of the street. You may not realize that there have probably been times when you have caused same sort of anxiety in a woman by walking near her at night, even though you have done nothing suspicious and have no ill intentions at all.

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So anyways, I guess you are in favor of everyone owning a gun, except of course whoever it is that is lurking in the shadows of every single parking lot/parking garage in the world?


Actually, if you have paid any attention to my posts, you would know that I favor some degree of gun control and that I believe there are things that need to be done that would piss off a lot of gun owners. But no, I don't believe that guns should be banned. I don't own one and won't have one in my house with my son. But I do believe that I should have the right to have one.






BamaD -> RE: Las Vegas shooting unfolding now (10/6/2017 12:12:16 PM)


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It's notable that whenever anybody has tried to raise the subject of regulation in this thread it's been ignored. Presumably it's not possible to discuss that while pretending that the left* only wants a total ban on all privately armed firearms of any sort.

*(whoever the fuck that's supposed to be in the 'States)

every regulation only affects the legitimate owner, not the criminal.

Yes, that's who regulation is aimed at.
When a gun is used as the instrumentality of a crime, then there's other legislation that comes into play, rather harsher in the main than mere regulatory measures.

So you admit that the goal is to disarm the non-criminals.




Nnanji -> RE: Las Vegas shooting unfolding now (10/6/2017 12:16:23 PM)


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Isn't LadyPact a pro domme?


No she isn't, HB.

It's always kind of weird for me when regular posters don't know that.



I only troll the political forums looking for pointless arguments.
Honestly, I didn't mean any offense.

I guess it would be great if I had some sort of scary story about a time when I really needed a gun, but I just don't have one.
That was all I was saying.

When I say I wonder why it has been so different for me, I really wonder that... I'm not saying the entire world is like that and everyone is just being a big baby who needs to grow up.


I do have a "scary" story to tell, about a time that I didn't have a gun with me, and I wished I did. In fact, this was one of the reasons I decided to get a CCP. And this story has nothing to do with muggers or thieves.

About 18 or 19 years ago a girlfriend and I were out on an evening hike. We reached the turn-around point and were starting back to the car when we met a young lady hiking with her two large dogs. One was a Rottweiler which was large even for that breed, and the other one was an even larger mixed breed. My girlfriend and I were about 5 more minutes along the path when we heard some rather vicious growling coming up behind us really fast. It was the two dogs, running ahead of their owner, and knowing that my girlfriend and I were the only beings out there, we knew they were coming after us. I had a small day pack which I literally ripped off my back to use as a shield between the dogs and myself. I told my girlfriend to stay behind me and start working her way up the hill away from the trail. I was afraid that as the girl got nearer the dogs might become more protective and even more vicious, so wanted to be as far from the trail as possible. The dogs attacked, but fortunately they took turns lunging in and I was able to alternate between one and the other with my backpack. The girl finally passed our location and called to her dogs. Didn't even bother to apologize.

We were uninjured, but I was definitely wishing I had more than just a backpack with me that day. And I seriously doubt that any martial arts training would have done a bit of good.

It was at about the same time, she and I had gone hiking in a different location. We were about 10 miles from the trail head when we met three very scruffy and disreputable looking "gentlemen" coming down the trail. They made me uneasy, but nothing happened. However, it made me realize just how vulnerable the two of us would have been had the guys had bad intentions.

Time has passed. I'm now 65, and have had three back surgeries. I am no longer nearly as fit or as mobile as I used to be. Your "martial arts" idea is pretty much out of the question. And yes, the area I live in is not the best place to live. But it is something I can afford on my SS Disability income. Barely. There is really nothing left to pay to move somewhere else, even if I could afford the rent. Since it seems like such and "easy fix" for you, perhaps you would pitch in and pay for me to relocate?

Last summer I heard "voices" outside and when I looked out I saw 5 police cars out in the street. Cops were hiding behind them with their guns drawn and pointing at the house across the street. An officer with a megaphone was telling the occupant to come out with his hands up. He finally did.

About two weeks ago I heard more voices. I again looked out my window and saw two officers with a guy bent over the hood of my car as they handcuffed him and frisked him.

So maybe I can just move in with you and you can protect me with your martial arts? No? Well, okay. I guess for now I will still rely on my .357.

If you need to practice with your .357 and can't afford it, PM me and let me know. I'll send so ammo to you. Practice is a good thing. I have a brother on SS disability and I do the same with him. I have a rifle range off my porch and I bring him up to shoot, let his dog see the forest and have a nice cigar with some good whiskey. I won't provide you cigars and whiskey, but I'll have a few boxes of .357 drop shipped to you.




BlackSinMaster -> RE: Las Vegas shooting unfolding now (10/6/2017 12:34:05 PM)

One cannot bait a lurky shadow passing judgment on the waifs and strays and errant bampots. The truth points to itself. I remain unconvinced you understand that.
Did you like that clip or were you too worked up to even watch it?

Tell me what do you value most, being fair or right?




Nnanji -> RE: Las Vegas shooting unfolding now (10/6/2017 12:37:59 PM)


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As a man, there are a lot of shoulds that you will never have to consider.

Hell, even Nnanji admits to being aware enough that when he sees women walking at night, he understands concerns they may have about coming across men, so he crosses to the other side of the street. You may not realize that there have probably been times when you have caused same sort of anxiety in a woman by walking near her at night, even though you have done nothing suspicious and have no ill intentions at all.

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So anyways, I guess you are in favor of everyone owning a gun, except of course whoever it is that is lurking in the shadows of every single parking lot/parking garage in the world?


Actually, if you have paid any attention to my posts, you would know that I favor some degree of gun control and that I believe there are things that need to be done that would piss off a lot of gun owners. But no, I don't believe that guns should be banned. I don't own one and won't have one in my house with my son. But I do believe that I should have the right to have one.




Well, thanks, I think.

One time I was in San Francisco doing art stuff with a female artist friend. While walking down the street she told me that she liked coming to San Francisco with me because when I was with her she didn't have to be afraid. Made me think. I'm "never afraid" of just being some place. Some times I'm cautious, but I don't fear. I really dislike that people have to fear and actually go out of my way so people don't fear me.

And, I might add HB, I legally carry a concealed handgun. Could I, at nearly 62, still beat the average guy senseless? Probably if I could do it in under two minutes before my wind ran out. So why do I carry a gun? Because I go out of my way not to cause problems or be involved in them and I've broken bones in my fingers and hands enough in my life that at this age I don't want to do that anymore. So, I'll leave, if they follow, I'll enforce my desire to be safe without breaking my hands again. Because you'll never just find a strong arm mugger anymore, they're armed now. Because if you want to really fuck with me, why should I be fair and let you?




Wayward5oul -> RE: Las Vegas shooting unfolding now (10/6/2017 12:44:41 PM)

Lol, you are welcome.

So you listened when a woman explained to you about situations that make her uncomfortable.

Take a note, HB.




LadyPact -> RE: Las Vegas shooting unfolding now (10/6/2017 12:49:10 PM)

I think it's very much like JVoV pointed out. I don't believe much in the concept that anybody is absolutely 'safe'. At the same time, you have to look at factors that make a person consider themselves 'less safe' than average. I almost want to use the phrase targeted, rather than random. Doesn't really fit, though.




BlackSinMaster -> RE: Las Vegas shooting unfolding now (10/6/2017 1:03:04 PM)

I have more stalkers than all of you combined




ThatDizzyChick -> RE: Las Vegas shooting unfolding now (10/6/2017 1:11:02 PM)

Oh look, WD has transmogrified into yet another black man!

So much for the whole "only real person" and "verified" bullshit, eh?




Nnanji -> RE: Las Vegas shooting unfolding now (10/6/2017 1:19:38 PM)


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I think it's very much like JVoV pointed out. I don't believe much in the concept that anybody is absolutely 'safe'. At the same time, you have to look at factors that make a person consider themselves 'less safe' than average. I almost want to use the phrase targeted, rather than random. Doesn't really fit, though.


Thieves, muggers and rapists look for "Victims". Having hunted and spent a lot of time in the wild I really believe that animal predictors understand that if the get hurt, nobody is going to take them to a Vet. So they stay within preditory boundaries where they are comfortable unless they are sick or desperate. Thieves, muggers and rapists, in my opinion, do the same thing. They look for a type they feel safe preying upon. I've personally never been that "type" to anyone. But, on the other hand, when I'm out I'm always scanning on some level for predators. When I see them, generally I don't fear them, but I am cautious. I admit I don't really understand the fear a woman would have as a prey victim to a scumbag. But, showing fear, which you cannot help feeling, is a good way to fall into the victim category, almost as good as not being aware of things around you.

As a corollary, when I see a small woman at night walking with her keys clutched in her fist like she's really going to protect herself, I, on some level scoff while I admire her determination. Even at my age, in my condition, there is no 105 pound woman that could fight me off with her set of keys. Get a gun. That will impress me and push that scoff right back down my throat.




BamaD -> RE: Las Vegas shooting unfolding now (10/6/2017 1:24:27 PM)


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As a man, there are a lot of shoulds that you will never have to consider.

Hell, even Nnanji admits to being aware enough that when he sees women walking at night, he understands concerns they may have about coming across men, so he crosses to the other side of the street. You may not realize that there have probably been times when you have caused same sort of anxiety in a woman by walking near her at night, even though you have done nothing suspicious and have no ill intentions at all.

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So anyways, I guess you are in favor of everyone owning a gun, except of course whoever it is that is lurking in the shadows of every single parking lot/parking garage in the world?


Actually, if you have paid any attention to my posts, you would know that I favor some degree of gun control and that I believe there are things that need to be done that would piss off a lot of gun owners. But no, I don't believe that guns should be banned. I don't own one and won't have one in my house with my son. But I do believe that I should have the right to have one.




Well, thanks, I think.

One time I was in San Francisco doing art stuff with a female artist friend. While walking down the street she told me that she liked coming to San Francisco with me because when I was with her she didn't have to be afraid. Made me think. I'm "never afraid" of just being some place. Some times I'm cautious, but I don't fear. I really dislike that people have to fear and actually go out of my way so people don't fear me.

And, I might add HB, I legally carry a concealed handgun. Could I, at nearly 62, still beat the average guy senseless? Probably if I could do it in under two minutes before my wind ran out. So why do I carry a gun? Because I go out of my way not to cause problems or be involved in them and I've broken bones in my fingers and hands enough in my life that at this age I don't want to do that anymore. So, I'll leave, if they follow, I'll enforce my desire to be safe without breaking my hands again. Because you'll never just find a strong arm mugger anymore, they're armed now. Because if you want to really fuck with me, why should I be fair and let you?

Many people do not understand that being careful is not the same as being afraid.




Wayward5oul -> RE: Las Vegas shooting unfolding now (10/6/2017 1:27:07 PM)


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As a man, there are a lot of shoulds that you will never have to consider.

Hell, even Nnanji admits to being aware enough that when he sees women walking at night, he understands concerns they may have about coming across men, so he crosses to the other side of the street. You may not realize that there have probably been times when you have caused same sort of anxiety in a woman by walking near her at night, even though you have done nothing suspicious and have no ill intentions at all.

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So anyways, I guess you are in favor of everyone owning a gun, except of course whoever it is that is lurking in the shadows of every single parking lot/parking garage in the world?


Actually, if you have paid any attention to my posts, you would know that I favor some degree of gun control and that I believe there are things that need to be done that would piss off a lot of gun owners. But no, I don't believe that guns should be banned. I don't own one and won't have one in my house with my son. But I do believe that I should have the right to have one.




Well, thanks, I think.

One time I was in San Francisco doing art stuff with a female artist friend. While walking down the street she told me that she liked coming to San Francisco with me because when I was with her she didn't have to be afraid. Made me think. I'm "never afraid" of just being some place. Some times I'm cautious, but I don't fear. I really dislike that people have to fear and actually go out of my way so people don't fear me.

And, I might add HB, I legally carry a concealed handgun. Could I, at nearly 62, still beat the average guy senseless? Probably if I could do it in under two minutes before my wind ran out. So why do I carry a gun? Because I go out of my way not to cause problems or be involved in them and I've broken bones in my fingers and hands enough in my life that at this age I don't want to do that anymore. So, I'll leave, if they follow, I'll enforce my desire to be safe without breaking my hands again. Because you'll never just find a strong arm mugger anymore, they're armed now. Because if you want to really fuck with me, why should I be fair and let you?

Many people do not understand that being careful is not the same as being afraid.

And apparently some people don't understand why anyone would feel a need to be careful.




bounty44 -> RE: Las Vegas shooting unfolding now (10/6/2017 1:33:07 PM)

as an interesting part of the present twist in the conversation. I was teaching at a community college not far away from where I had went to undergrad, and was living in the latter's city. one of the classes I taught was self-defense and during the semester, I learned that my undergrad school was having a "take back the night" march.

for the most part it was a walk through campus identifying potential problem areas, locating emergency call boxes, etc.

a good handful of my students didn't want to participate in it because it was---though im not remembering exactly---somehow caught up with the campus gay and feminist organizations.

it was a good, or at least I like to think it was, teachable moment in that you don't have to agree with someone's politics or lifestyle to support the idea that they shouldn't be beaten up for it.




BamaD -> RE: Las Vegas shooting unfolding now (10/6/2017 1:33:07 PM)


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As a man, there are a lot of shoulds that you will never have to consider.

Hell, even Nnanji admits to being aware enough that when he sees women walking at night, he understands concerns they may have about coming across men, so he crosses to the other side of the street. You may not realize that there have probably been times when you have caused same sort of anxiety in a woman by walking near her at night, even though you have done nothing suspicious and have no ill intentions at all.

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So anyways, I guess you are in favor of everyone owning a gun, except of course whoever it is that is lurking in the shadows of every single parking lot/parking garage in the world?


Actually, if you have paid any attention to my posts, you would know that I favor some degree of gun control and that I believe there are things that need to be done that would piss off a lot of gun owners. But no, I don't believe that guns should be banned. I don't own one and won't have one in my house with my son. But I do believe that I should have the right to have one.




Well, thanks, I think.

One time I was in San Francisco doing art stuff with a female artist friend. While walking down the street she told me that she liked coming to San Francisco with me because when I was with her she didn't have to be afraid. Made me think. I'm "never afraid" of just being some place. Some times I'm cautious, but I don't fear. I really dislike that people have to fear and actually go out of my way so people don't fear me.

And, I might add HB, I legally carry a concealed handgun. Could I, at nearly 62, still beat the average guy senseless? Probably if I could do it in under two minutes before my wind ran out. So why do I carry a gun? Because I go out of my way not to cause problems or be involved in them and I've broken bones in my fingers and hands enough in my life that at this age I don't want to do that anymore. So, I'll leave, if they follow, I'll enforce my desire to be safe without breaking my hands again. Because you'll never just find a strong arm mugger anymore, they're armed now. Because if you want to really fuck with me, why should I be fair and let you?

Many people do not understand that being careful is not the same as being afraid.

And apparently some people don't understand why anyone would feel a need to be careful.

I wasn't counting the terminally stupid.




stef -> RE: Las Vegas shooting unfolding now (10/6/2017 1:50:27 PM)


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I am not sure you were worth that reply but my inbox is empty tonight and I am a mite bored.

Perhaps taking your meds would help to alleviate your boredom.




LadyPact -> RE: Las Vegas shooting unfolding now (10/6/2017 2:03:10 PM)

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Thieves, muggers and rapists look for "Victims". Having hunted and spent a lot of time in the wild I really believe that animal predictors understand that if the get hurt, nobody is going to take them to a Vet. So they stay within preditory boundaries where they are comfortable unless they are sick or desperate. Thieves, muggers and rapists, in my opinion, do the same thing. They look for a type they feel safe preying upon. I've personally never been that "type" to anyone. But, on the other hand, when I'm out I'm always scanning on some level for predators. When I see them, generally I don't fear them, but I am cautious. I admit I don't really understand the fear a woman would have as a prey victim to a scumbag. But, showing fear, which you cannot help feeling, is a good way to fall into the victim category, almost as good as not being aware of things around you.

As a corollary, when I see a small woman at night walking with her keys clutched in her fist like she's really going to protect herself, I, on some level scoff while I admire her determination. Even at my age, in my condition, there is no 105 pound woman that could fight me off with her set of keys. Get a gun. That will impress me and push that scoff right back down my throat.

This is a part of my whole stance of the thing. In my opinion, when we start talking about firearms via any of these related situations, we have to take the several factors into account. It's not just a second amendment debate.

The predator/prey thought was actually a good one. Other than the human example, no where else in nature do we not see the prey having the greater disadvantage and the predator the advantage. Teeth, claws, size, agility, and so on. The closer to the prey the predator is, the less likely the prey has a fighting chance. We're the only species that has figured out a way to even the odds.

ETA -I was really interested in Igor's comment about how hunting (specifically) deer came up. That's predator/prey, too. I wonder if people go quickest to that particular scenario because a) deer hunting is so common in various regions across the globe because it's such a common species or, b) it's a good example of having fewer natural defenses, with a subtle implication of how that translates to other analogies.

Firearms are, at minimum, equalizers. I suppose that is true of all weapons, though most other weapons that don't go 'boom' don't give the distance advantage. If a person realizes the advantage a predator has in close up situations, isn't it better for it not to get close to you?





Nnanji -> RE: Las Vegas shooting unfolding now (10/6/2017 4:59:42 PM)


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(I read your shit) And a lot of good shite you write.

But you have chosen to hide your profile and yet pass judgement on all those who have not. Not what I would call fair myself...judge thee not something the bible says.

You are on your own with this one I am afraid.


Why would I even have a profile on a site like this?
So I can be spammed by scammers and cunts like tamaka can use my personal details against me?

Whatever-- she said she wasn't a pro domme, I said okay, fine... and then that's all there is to it.
I've noticed that nobody has actually argued that sex work (or even promiscuity) doesn't make you a bigger target for creeps.

It makes sense to me that if you're seeing a lot of people sexually, you're more likely to run across someone who wants to have you all to themselves and won't take no for an answer. Holy fuck, it's not like I'm saying she's a nasty filthy piece of trash who deserves what's coming to her.

I get we all need to fall in line with liberal thought on every single issue, but it just seems like common sense to me.
That isn't to say it can't happen to monogamous people as well, either.

LMAO....lecturing all of us about being in fear and all this time you fear Tamaka. It's such a good thing mumsey is protecting you from big meany Tamaka.




MercTech -> RE: Las Vegas shooting unfolding now (10/6/2017 6:17:36 PM)


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I need someone who can tell me what a legal tracer round contains. Is it phosphorus?

In theory a simple spark could ignite Jet Fuel. Unlikely, but not impossible. It is my firm belief that is why he tried to purchase tracer bullets. I could be very wrong on this one. But given his bump stock device, and savant like planning, I believe I am not. He wanted to burn the world.



In WWII tracer rounds contain red phosphorus I think. Most tracers are military Full Metal Jacket and not considered appropriate for hunting in many states. Anyway, link to current tracer round chemistry:
https://www.bevfitchett.us/chemical-analysis-of-firearms/tracer-bullets.html

The issue with tracers isn't that it is unlawful for for an individual to town but that they have expensive transportation and storage costs. The HAZMAT classification is not only ammunition but for the flammable solid tracer constituent as well. That drives up the cost to the end user.

i.e. 7.62 FMG goes fairly cheap if bought in bulk
https://www.luckygunner.com/rifle/7.62x39mm-ammo
https://www.luckygunner.com/rifle/308-ammo

Tracer ammunition is about twice the cost.
https://www.targetsportsusa.com/federal-lake-city-762x51mm-m62-nato-tactical-tracer-146-gr-fmj-xm62-p-3581.aspx

Even with a tracer, shooting a fuel tank full of diesel/jet fuel/kerosene (all three basically the same thing but different grades of impurity removal) will not catch anything on fire reliably. Now, if you do something to make a cloud of atomized fuel, such as fly a plane into a building, the fuel/air cloud can ignite spectacularly. Tannerite was developed to make things explode when shot for more dramatic sFx in movies. Starting a fire by shooting a container of flammable gas or liquid is a maybe. Getting an explosion when shooting a tank of flammable gas or liquid is an "IMPROBABLE".







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