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tamaka -> RE: The original arguments FOR the second amendment (10/16/2017 10:00:49 AM)
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ORIGINAL: jlf1961
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ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri
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ORIGINAL: BamaD
Let's start with why do people wish harm on another and work up from there. I'd say the answer is the speed of their thoughts accompanied by inability to keep their energy in balance
The problem is clearly that people want to kill.
They will no matter what tools are available.
Yes, Bama, it is clear that some people want to kill. But, why (that's what tamaka is trying to put an answer to)? What drives them to take another's life? And, if a person is that driven to take someone else's life, you're correct, it won't matter what tools are available. Same goes for suicides.
I don't think her response adequately explains gang violence, but there could be something there.
Well, tamaka has already said a few innocent lives is worth leaving gun laws alone, so at this point, anything she says is bullshit.
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ORIGINAL: BamaD
Gang violence is easier to explain. Their standing in he gang is enhanced
by the degree of violence.
This is only partially true.
Studies going back to the sixties concerning group (or mob) mentality have shown consistently that even if a person has a higher than normal drive towards violence will, in most cases restrain themselves from acting on those drives due to social pressure.
It is why some people that show the brain imaging pattern associated with psychopathic behavior become ruthless business types, driven scientists (and hard ass perfectionist professors that need a rod removed from their asses) and others become serial killers.
When the group accepts violence as the norm, then even normally non violent individuals will commit acts of violence, case in point the riots in LA after the Rodney King verdicts.
Then there are the arguments that access to guns create the violence, which is also not true. There are small towns all over the western United States where 99% of the population own guns, carry loaded guns in pick up trucks or cars and they have not had a gun related death in decades.
It is even true, if you look at crime statistics since the DoJ started keeping them, that gun violence has risen dramatically since the sixties, peaking in the 90's and then steadily decreased, in fact presently, gun related violence is down 49% over the all time high.
And psychologists have been studying the underlying cause of violence since Freud.
Now, with all that being said, there is some strong evidence, although not clinically proven, but circumstantial, that areas where there is a strong sense of community, violence has decreased.
Areas within large cities where the residents have taken action to clean up parks, streets, houses etc. when the city is perfectly willing to not do anything, violent crimes dropped dramatically. It has happened in areas that were considered combat zones in New York city, Detroit, Chicago and even parts of Los Angeles.
The people got tired of city government blowing the areas off as not being worth the effort, or "the people there dont care, why should we?"
Just as there is a correlation between being in a gang and the tendency toward extremely violent acts, there is, apparently, and equal correlation between a strong sense of community and everyone belonging to a drop in violence.
People basically got tired of being scared and prisoners in their own homes.
Urban renewal was the big plank in conservative politics toward the late sixties and carried into the early 80's until liberals jumped on the bandwagon. Everyone agreed that something had to be done to change the inner cities and low income areas, but even though it was a common goal, both sides refused to work together and get anything done.
It was a joint effort on both sides that got the National Firearms Act of 1984 passed.
It was a joint effort that got the Brady Bill passed.
Hell it was a joint effort that got just about every substantial piece of gun legislation passed since 1932!
However, for what ever reason, in today's America, you cant get both sides to agree on the color of the sky or the necessity for having toilet paper in the bathrooms in Federal buildings, let alone reasonable and enforceable gun laws.
Hell, during the Affordable Care Act debates, Republicans had some good ideas, but were shut down by the dems (who used older GOP suggestions from the Clinton years) which because the dems used them, were not good ideas anymore.
It is not a fact that there are pro gun and anti gun people around, there have always been. It is now the fact that neither side is willing to meet the other half way, on anything.
And the ones that suffer the results of the no compromise philosophy are the people who died in Columbine, Sandy Hook, Orlando and Las Vegas, not to mention the ones killed in Chicago during the month of September and 278 wounded by guns (Chicago has some of the strictest gun laws in the US by the way.)
You have such a small mind for someone who talks so much.
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