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Lucylastic -> Moral outrage. Or not. Reality is.... (10/10/2017 2:17:55 PM)

Child Sex Offender Awarded Joint Custody Of Victim’s Kid: Attorney
The woman, who was 12 when she was impregnated, seeks protection from her attacker under the federal Rape Survivor Child Custody Act.

https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/child-sex-offender-awarded-joint-custody-of-victims-kid-attorney_us_59da5677e4b0f6eed3511163?ncid=inblnkushpmg00000009
A Michigan woman who was just 12 years old when she says an 18-year-old held her captive for days and raped her now faces the prospect of sharing joint custody with her attacker, according to the victim’s lawyer.

The decision by a Michigan judge last week comes nine years after the boy’s mother was impregnated by Christopher Mirasolo, now 27, the Detroit News reported.

It wasn’t until recently that Sanilac County Circuit Judge Gregory S. Ross ordered a paternity test for the now-21-year-old woman’s child after she applied for state aid, lawyer Rebecca Kiessling, who is representing the woman, said in a press release on Saturday.

After Mirasolo was identified as the father, the judge ordered that his name be added to the birth certificate and the woman’s address be disclosed to the father, who was also awarded parenting time, Kiessling said.

Kiessling, whose client is not being identified because she is the victim of a sex crime, called the judge’s decision “insane.”

“Nothing has been right about this [case] since it was originally investigated,” she told the Detroit News. “He was never properly charged and should still be sitting behind bars somewhere, but the system is victimizing my client, who was a child herself when this all happened.”

Kiessling said her client is seeking protection from Mirasolo under the federal Rape Survivor Child Custody Act. The law provides grants to states that offer women who conceive a child through rape the option to terminate the rapist’s parental rights if there is “clear and convincing evidence” of the crime.

“This case is believed to be the first case of its kind in Michigan, and perhaps in the U.S., in which a rape victim will seek protection under the new Rape Survivor Child Custody Act and proves why a rape conviction should not be required,” Kiessling said in her press release.
The child’s mother, who spoke out against the judge’s ruling to the NBC television affiliate Click on Detroit, said she hopes her son has nothing to do with Mirasolo.

The boy “was conceived out of rape, but I don’t look at that. He’s my child. He’s a part of me. Not a part of him,” she told the station. “I hope [Mirasolo] never has any rights to him at all.”

Attorney Barbara Yockey, who represents Mirasolo, told HuffPost on Monday that he was only following court orders to take a DNA test and also provide income information to pay child support to the mother, which she said he is doing.

“He did not in any way pursue this,” she said by email. “This matter is in the process of being resolved by private agreement.”

Yockey, who confirmed to HuffPost that her client had pleaded guilty to attempted third-degree criminal sexual conduct in the case ― which she referred to as statutory rape ― previously told the Detroit News that it’s unclear what kind of relationship her client will have with the woman’s child, if any.

Kiessling said that in September 2008, her client slipped out of her house with her 13-year-old sister and a friend to meet up with a boy and his older friend, identified as Mirasolo.

During that visit, Mirasolo allegedly suggested they “go for a ride.” He ended up holding the girls captive for two days in a vacant house. When they were finally released, under a threat that if they told anyone what happened he’d kill them, the youngest sister was pregnant. A month after that discovery was made, Mirasolo was arrested, Kiessling said.

He took a plea deal for attempted third-degree criminal sexual conduct, and was sentenced to one year in a county jail. He ended up serving just six-and-a-half months.

Kiessling said that because Mirasolo’s crime involved a victim under the age of 13, he should have been charged with first-degree criminal sexual conduct and faced between 25 years to life behind bars.

According to online records for Michigan’s Department of Corrections, just four months after Mirasolo’s early discharge, he committed a second offense ― again for criminal sexual conduct, this time involving someone between the ages of 13 to 15.

He was sentenced to a minimum of five years for that crime, but was released after four years, Kiessling said.

He’s been on parole since July of 2016, records show. According to the conditions of his release, he is a registered sex offender who’s not permitted to have contact with a child 17 years old or younger without the presence of a responsible adult. He also cannot come within 1,000-feet of a school or child care center without approval, or own a computer or device that’s capable of connecting to the Internet.

The next court hearing on the matter is scheduled for Oct. 25.

A “victims rights rally” to protest the judge’s decision is being planned outside the courthouse at that time, according to a Facebook event page.

Requests for comment from the judge, state prosecutors and Kiessling were not immediately returned.







JVoV -> RE: Moral outrage. Or not. Reality is.... (10/10/2017 2:58:32 PM)

In a lot of States, a mother applying for assistance has to agree to let the State go after the father for child support, as part of the application.

It's possible the judge wasn't aware of all the details of their history, since it was the State making the case.

But good God, what a clusterfuck.




Lucylastic -> RE: Moral outrage. Or not. Reality is.... (10/10/2017 3:00:13 PM)

complete injustice cant be excused.




JVoV -> RE: Moral outrage. Or not. Reality is.... (10/10/2017 3:14:43 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: Lucylastic

complete injustice cant be excused.


I'm not even trying to excuse it. But the State does what it does, and what they're best at is dropping the ball.

There is nothing in the applications for benefits in Florida asking if your child was the result of a rape, and there really isn't a lot of room to add notes. How her case worker, or the State's attorney didn't do the math on her age and her son's age is inexcusable. But she may not have specifically mentioned being raped to the case worker. If nobody pulled up the rapist's criminal history, then that is also inexcusable. That should have been done before any determination was made. And if it was pulled up and ignored, then the judge is a total bastard.




Lucylastic -> RE: Moral outrage. Or not. Reality is.... (10/10/2017 3:19:07 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: JVoV


quote:

ORIGINAL: Lucylastic

complete injustice cant be excused.


I'm not even trying to excuse it. But the State does what it does, and what they're best at is dropping the ball.

There is nothing in the applications for benefits in Florida asking if your child was the result of a rape, and there really isn't a lot of room to add notes. How her case worker, or the State's attorney didn't do the math on her age and her son's age is inexcusable. But she may not have specifically mentioned being raped to the case worker. If nobody pulled up the rapist's criminal history, then that is also inexcusable. That should have been done before any determination was made. And if it was pulled up and ignored, then the judge is a total bastard.

Sorry, I didnt mean to say you condoned it...I get that:)




Lucylastic -> RE: Moral outrage. Or not. Reality is.... (10/10/2017 3:37:56 PM)

yes I had to abandon my plans to fly to the UK to see my sick mother and visit friends, because my husband got cancer. its been one of those years where plans had to be postponed.
I am neither a grandmother or a liar.
fuck off




AtUrCervix -> RE: Moral outrage. Or not. Reality is.... (10/10/2017 3:56:21 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: Lucylastic

Child Sex Offender Awarded Joint Custody Of Victim’s Kid: Attorney
The woman, who was 12 when she was impregnated, seeks protection from her attacker under the federal Rape Survivor Child Custody Act.

https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/child-sex-offender-awarded-joint-custody-of-victims-kid-attorney_us_59da5677e4b0f6eed3511163?ncid=inblnkushpmg00000009
A Michigan woman who was just 12 years old when she says an 18-year-old held her captive for days and raped her now faces the prospect of sharing joint custody with her attacker, according to the victim’s lawyer.

The decision by a Michigan judge last week comes nine years after the boy’s mother was impregnated by Christopher Mirasolo, now 27, the Detroit News reported.

It wasn’t until recently that Sanilac County Circuit Judge Gregory S. Ross ordered a paternity test for the now-21-year-old woman’s child after she applied for state aid, lawyer Rebecca Kiessling, who is representing the woman, said in a press release on Saturday.

After Mirasolo was identified as the father, the judge ordered that his name be added to the birth certificate and the woman’s address be disclosed to the father, who was also awarded parenting time, Kiessling said.

Kiessling, whose client is not being identified because she is the victim of a sex crime, called the judge’s decision “insane.”

“Nothing has been right about this [case] since it was originally investigated,” she told the Detroit News. “He was never properly charged and should still be sitting behind bars somewhere, but the system is victimizing my client, who was a child herself when this all happened.”

Kiessling said her client is seeking protection from Mirasolo under the federal Rape Survivor Child Custody Act. The law provides grants to states that offer women who conceive a child through rape the option to terminate the rapist’s parental rights if there is “clear and convincing evidence” of the crime.

“This case is believed to be the first case of its kind in Michigan, and perhaps in the U.S., in which a rape victim will seek protection under the new Rape Survivor Child Custody Act and proves why a rape conviction should not be required,” Kiessling said in her press release.
The child’s mother, who spoke out against the judge’s ruling to the NBC television affiliate Click on Detroit, said she hopes her son has nothing to do with Mirasolo.

The boy “was conceived out of rape, but I don’t look at that. He’s my child. He’s a part of me. Not a part of him,” she told the station. “I hope [Mirasolo] never has any rights to him at all.”

Attorney Barbara Yockey, who represents Mirasolo, told HuffPost on Monday that he was only following court orders to take a DNA test and also provide income information to pay child support to the mother, which she said he is doing.

“He did not in any way pursue this,” she said by email. “This matter is in the process of being resolved by private agreement.”

Yockey, who confirmed to HuffPost that her client had pleaded guilty to attempted third-degree criminal sexual conduct in the case ― which she referred to as statutory rape ― previously told the Detroit News that it’s unclear what kind of relationship her client will have with the woman’s child, if any.

Kiessling said that in September 2008, her client slipped out of her house with her 13-year-old sister and a friend to meet up with a boy and his older friend, identified as Mirasolo.

During that visit, Mirasolo allegedly suggested they “go for a ride.” He ended up holding the girls captive for two days in a vacant house. When they were finally released, under a threat that if they told anyone what happened he’d kill them, the youngest sister was pregnant. A month after that discovery was made, Mirasolo was arrested, Kiessling said.

He took a plea deal for attempted third-degree criminal sexual conduct, and was sentenced to one year in a county jail. He ended up serving just six-and-a-half months.

Kiessling said that because Mirasolo’s crime involved a victim under the age of 13, he should have been charged with first-degree criminal sexual conduct and faced between 25 years to life behind bars.

According to online records for Michigan’s Department of Corrections, just four months after Mirasolo’s early discharge, he committed a second offense ― again for criminal sexual conduct, this time involving someone between the ages of 13 to 15.

He was sentenced to a minimum of five years for that crime, but was released after four years, Kiessling said.

He’s been on parole since July of 2016, records show. According to the conditions of his release, he is a registered sex offender who’s not permitted to have contact with a child 17 years old or younger without the presence of a responsible adult. He also cannot come within 1,000-feet of a school or child care center without approval, or own a computer or device that’s capable of connecting to the Internet.

The next court hearing on the matter is scheduled for Oct. 25.

A “victims rights rally” to protest the judge’s decision is being planned outside the courthouse at that time, according to a Facebook event page.

Requests for comment from the judge, state prosecutors and Kiessling were not immediately returned.



https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bizarro_World




JstAnotherSub -> RE: Moral outrage. Or not. Reality is.... (10/10/2017 4:04:43 PM)

This absolutely boggles my mind. I hope they make this right, and quickly.




Lucylastic -> RE: Moral outrage. Or not. Reality is.... (10/10/2017 4:16:01 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: AtUrCervix


quote:

ORIGINAL: Lucylastic

Child Sex Offender Awarded Joint Custody Of Victim’s Kid: Attorney
The woman, who was 12 when she was impregnated, seeks protection from her attacker under the federal Rape Survivor Child Custody Act.

https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/child-sex-offender-awarded-joint-custody-of-victims-kid-attorney_us_59da5677e4b0f6eed3511163?ncid=inblnkushpmg00000009
A Michigan woman who was just 12 years old when she says an 18-year-old held her captive for days and raped her now faces the prospect of sharing joint custody with her attacker, according to the victim’s lawyer.

The decision by a Michigan judge last week comes nine years after the boy’s mother was impregnated by Christopher Mirasolo, now 27, the Detroit News reported.

It wasn’t until recently that Sanilac County Circuit Judge Gregory S. Ross ordered a paternity test for the now-21-year-old woman’s child after she applied for state aid, lawyer Rebecca Kiessling, who is representing the woman, said in a press release on Saturday.

After Mirasolo was identified as the father, the judge ordered that his name be added to the birth certificate and the woman’s address be disclosed to the father, who was also awarded parenting time, Kiessling said.

Kiessling, whose client is not being identified because she is the victim of a sex crime, called the judge’s decision “insane.”

“Nothing has been right about this [case] since it was originally investigated,” she told the Detroit News. “He was never properly charged and should still be sitting behind bars somewhere, but the system is victimizing my client, who was a child herself when this all happened.”

Kiessling said her client is seeking protection from Mirasolo under the federal Rape Survivor Child Custody Act. The law provides grants to states that offer women who conceive a child through rape the option to terminate the rapist’s parental rights if there is “clear and convincing evidence” of the crime.

“This case is believed to be the first case of its kind in Michigan, and perhaps in the U.S., in which a rape victim will seek protection under the new Rape Survivor Child Custody Act and proves why a rape conviction should not be required,” Kiessling said in her press release.
The child’s mother, who spoke out against the judge’s ruling to the NBC television affiliate Click on Detroit, said she hopes her son has nothing to do with Mirasolo.

The boy “was conceived out of rape, but I don’t look at that. He’s my child. He’s a part of me. Not a part of him,” she told the station. “I hope [Mirasolo] never has any rights to him at all.”

Attorney Barbara Yockey, who represents Mirasolo, told HuffPost on Monday that he was only following court orders to take a DNA test and also provide income information to pay child support to the mother, which she said he is doing.

“He did not in any way pursue this,” she said by email. “This matter is in the process of being resolved by private agreement.”

Yockey, who confirmed to HuffPost that her client had pleaded guilty to attempted third-degree criminal sexual conduct in the case ― which she referred to as statutory rape ― previously told the Detroit News that it’s unclear what kind of relationship her client will have with the woman’s child, if any.

Kiessling said that in September 2008, her client slipped out of her house with her 13-year-old sister and a friend to meet up with a boy and his older friend, identified as Mirasolo.

During that visit, Mirasolo allegedly suggested they “go for a ride.” He ended up holding the girls captive for two days in a vacant house. When they were finally released, under a threat that if they told anyone what happened he’d kill them, the youngest sister was pregnant. A month after that discovery was made, Mirasolo was arrested, Kiessling said.

He took a plea deal for attempted third-degree criminal sexual conduct, and was sentenced to one year in a county jail. He ended up serving just six-and-a-half months.

Kiessling said that because Mirasolo’s crime involved a victim under the age of 13, he should have been charged with first-degree criminal sexual conduct and faced between 25 years to life behind bars.

According to online records for Michigan’s Department of Corrections, just four months after Mirasolo’s early discharge, he committed a second offense ― again for criminal sexual conduct, this time involving someone between the ages of 13 to 15.

He was sentenced to a minimum of five years for that crime, but was released after four years, Kiessling said.

He’s been on parole since July of 2016, records show. According to the conditions of his release, he is a registered sex offender who’s not permitted to have contact with a child 17 years old or younger without the presence of a responsible adult. He also cannot come within 1,000-feet of a school or child care center without approval, or own a computer or device that’s capable of connecting to the Internet.

The next court hearing on the matter is scheduled for Oct. 25.

A “victims rights rally” to protest the judge’s decision is being planned outside the courthouse at that time, according to a Facebook event page.

Requests for comment from the judge, state prosecutors and Kiessling were not immediately returned.



https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bizarro_World


sadly this woman has to live it.




Lucylastic -> RE: Moral outrage. Or not. Reality is.... (10/10/2017 5:45:30 PM)

I see from the scroller he hasnt got it yet, I have him and all of his socks on ignore. so he can rant away to his little hearts content.
[sm=ballgag.gif]




tamaka -> RE: Moral outrage. Or not. Reality is.... (10/10/2017 5:50:21 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: ThatDizzyChick

This is what happens when you make judges into politicians.


Interesting stuff...

http://www.cnn.com/2016/11/17/health/parental-rights-rapists-explainer/index.html




stef -> RE: Moral outrage. Or not. Reality is.... (10/10/2017 7:28:31 PM)

Replying to yourself again?

Take your meds, headcase.




Marini -> RE: Moral outrage. Or not. Reality is.... (10/10/2017 7:38:00 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Lucylastic

yes I had to abandon my plans to fly to the UK to see my sick mother and visit friends, because my husband got cancer. its been one of those years where plans had to be postponed.
I am neither a grandmother or a liar.
fuck off


Lucy, I am sorry to hear about your husband and your mother, I hope they are both recovering.
Dealing with these issues, is very challenging.
{{{{Cyber hugs}}}}

Sending healing prayers your way.




Lucylastic -> RE: Moral outrage. Or not. Reality is.... (10/10/2017 7:56:23 PM)

Thans Marini, they are both much improved, except mum has vascular dementia, and I havent seen her since my dad died, 10 years ago, and right now I still cant arrange a visit, but , I will go, when I can.
thank you for the hugs:) hugs back




ThatDizzyChick -> RE: Moral outrage. Or not. Reality is.... (10/10/2017 8:09:01 PM)

quote:

I have him and all of his socks on ignore

Likely the best course




AtUrCervix -> RE: Moral outrage. Or not. Reality is.... (10/11/2017 3:20:20 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: stef

Perhaps you could take your meds?


(Perhaps....you could just chill).




Wayward5oul -> RE: Moral outrage. Or not. Reality is.... (10/11/2017 3:22:36 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: AtUrCervix


quote:

ORIGINAL: stef

Perhaps you could take your meds?


(Perhaps....you could just chill).


No. He needs help.




AtUrCervix -> RE: Moral outrage. Or not. Reality is.... (10/11/2017 3:52:21 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: Wayward5oul


quote:

ORIGINAL: AtUrCervix


quote:

ORIGINAL: stef

Perhaps you could take your meds?


(Perhaps....you could just chill).


No. He needs help.


My error (I presumed "stef" was a chic).




Wayward5oul -> RE: Moral outrage. Or not. Reality is.... (10/11/2017 4:32:32 PM)

Correct. Stef should tell him all day long to get his meds, because he obviously needs them. Among other things.




stef -> RE: Moral outrage. Or not. Reality is.... (10/11/2017 4:50:25 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: AtUrCervix

quote:

ORIGINAL: stef

Perhaps you could take your meds?


(Perhaps....you could just chill).


Perhaps you should follow your own advice. I'm not the one who posts brainless rants on a regular basis.




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